Diploma or Ordinary Degree from an R.T.C./I.T.

guinnessdrinker

My gf did 3 years in an institute of technology a few years ago and graduated with a Diploma in Business Studies. However, Diploma's are now called Ordinary Degrees.

So, my question is, what does she put down on a cv now? Or does it matter?

Buzz Buzz

I received my diploma the year before it was changed to a degree, so I just put Ordinary Degree with a follow on Honours degree, I dont think it really matters in the end..

testicle

She should put down Diploma.

AARRRGH

Ring the college and ask can she upgrade her diploma to an ordinary degree?

axer

I would put down ordinary degree as that is the term to describe it now. I remember when I was in college they gave us a sheet telling us the new name for our qualification.

europerson

No, she's never been conferred with a degree, and she can't just upgrade herself like that. Simply state that it's a Diploma: everyone knows they're the same as an Ordinary Degree anyway.

I know of someone who was turned down for an internal job because he made a mistake declaring his junior cert results.
I'd be inclined to call it a diploma.

macrubicon

The Diploma (of old) was a FETAC level 7 award.

With the streamlining of the awards in line with other countries etc. to make things easier to transfer it was decided to rename it to what seemed to be the norm for a 3 year programme - the Ordinary Degree.

Both are Level 7 awards and the names can be used interchangeably.

http://www2.cao.ie/fetac/FETAC_scoring.pdf gives some details...

In relation to "upgrading" etc. it's not. They are the same award - just renamed.

I am in the same boat - have a Diploma at Level 7.

I quote it as National Diploma (Ordinary Degree) in XXX.

Keano

Moonbaby wrote: »

I know of someone who was turned down for an internal job because he made a mistake declaring his junior cert results.
I'd be inclined to call it a diploma.

FFS!

I too have a diploma and will leave it as that OP as thats the award I received.

axer

macrubicon wrote: »

The Diploma (of old) was a FETAC level 7 award.

With the streamlining of the awards in line with other countries etc. to make things easier to transfer it was decided to rename it to what seemed to be the norm for a 3 year programme - the Ordinary Degree.

Both are Level 7 awards and the names can be used interchangeably.

http://www2.cao.ie/fetac/FETAC_scoring.pdf gives some details...

In relation to "upgrading" etc. it's not. They are the same award - just renamed.

I am in the same boat - have a Diploma at Level 7.

I quote it as National Diploma (Ordinary Degree) in XXX.

Exactly. Technically it should only be called an Ordinary Degree as that is the newer name for it. Obviously people wouldn't really care too much either way though.

guinnessdrinker

Cheers for the replies guys. I think best to say Diploma too or maybe to quote it on the cv the way macrubicon does, just in case an employer does not know what it is but I'm sure most do.

AARRRGH

Certainly Ordinary Degree sounds a million times better than Diploma!

I could set up Dublindude's School of Nuclear Physics and start awarding Diplomas for courses which take 10 minutes... I would not be allowed award Ordingary Degrees.

cronos

dublindude wrote: »

Certainly Ordinary Degree sounds a million times better than Diploma!

I could set up Dublindude's School of Nuclear Physics and start awarding Diplomas for courses which take 10 minutes... I would not be allowed award Ordingary Degrees.

Can I enrole please. Except I will take a PHD like the old head of science education for the government.

europerson

axer wrote: »

Technically it should only be called an Ordinary Degree as that is the newer name for it.

What's your source for this?

the_syco

Degree, huh? Nice until they ask for the piece of paper that says Diploma...

AARRRGH

the_syco wrote: »

Degree, huh? Nice until they ask for the piece of paper that says Diploma...

^-- I agree with this. Will the HR dullard really understand your explanation that they are now giving out Ordinary Degrees instead of Diplomas?

axer

europerson wrote: »

What's your source for this?

The national diploma does not exist anymore it has been placed on a level 7 of the national frame work of qualifications which is called an ordinary bachelor degree. I don't think anyone would hold it against someone for using the old name but for clarity purposes it makes sense to use the current name. I have a feeling that anyone with half a brain in HR wouldn't have a problem that your piece of paper uses the old text for ordinary bachelor degree.

europerson

axer wrote: »

The national diploma does not exist anymore it has been placed on a level 7 of the national frame work of qualifications which is called an ordinary bachelor degree. I don't think anyone would hold it against someone for using the old name but for clarity purposes it makes sense to use the current name. I have a feeling that anyone with half a brain in HR wouldn't have a problem that your piece of paper uses the old text for ordinary bachelor degree.

It was my understanding that it was just like Inter Cert and Junior Cert: while people understand that they are (essentially) the same thing, it is appropriate to use the title of the qualification received from the awarding body.

the_syco

axer wrote: »

I have a feeling that anyone with half a brain in HR

Anyone with half a brain wouldn't be in HR...

shadowcomplex

would it be sneaky if you omitted the ordinary part:D, I have a level 7 diploma in chemistry, I was thinking of just putting BSc in Chemistry,I think their is an advantage of calling it an ordinary degree as opposed to diploma is when you are applying for jobs abroad