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eoiner-galway

i noticed in one of the fourms here one man wnated to know what to do with 30k he had lying around..... people started suggesting berkshire hataway, at 1,500 a piece... are ya mad!

i thougth i would start this thread to see what other people think... and as for the man with the 30k, open an account with davy.ie irelands leading stockbrokers....

As for myself i am an 18yo student.. so go easy on me, i can imagine there are some real entrepreneurs ready to jump at me....

eoiner-galway

as with the people suggesting stock in brekshire hathaway.. thats a passed investment, its like betting live on a football game that is already won... or if people like myself spend time spread betting on ladbrokes, its like placing on a inevatble win.....

to maximise profits and really invest.. i have even asked myself this question...where is the world heading in the future? and what will effect it?

take the biggest economic thing in the news at the moment.. energy... its a no brainer.... we will run out of fossil fuels in this ever increasing population, and then what... wel evolution tells us that man adapts.. that means that when all petrol is gone... the cars on the roads will dissapear.. i think not... we will always find a new way? a new energy source, we already have? but how will we earn money from it......


for the people who just want stock ideas now.... i bought shares in versign a while ago, the create secureity for the ever increasing online market.. eg ebay.com, but this is not a long term buy, as in comparison with elan, if an old lady dies from a dodgy pill, they will collapse... and if some hacker somewhere manages to damage versign enough, we will have lost our money...

rosboy

eoiner-galway wrote: »

and as for the man with the 30k, open an account with davy.ie irelands leading stockbrokers....

+1.

Or else you could light it on fire and watch it burn:rolleyes:.

If you go messing in the stock without knowing what you are doing is just asking for trouble.

A little adive eoiner-galway, the streets aren't paved with gold on the stockmarket:D. If it was a case of putting your money in any old share and wacthing it flood back we'd all be living on the French Reviera!

I think this is a good idea for a thread, but don't expect every stock listed here to multiply by 1000x.

I subscribe the the Motley Fool (www.fool.com) newsletter, and this is a great site for getting advice and tips. When you subscribe (they have a few different newsletter, all about the $200 marK, you get their recommended stocks for the month. When you look back over the stocks for the last few years, as many have failed as succeeded. I'll look up a few stats and post the later.

I'll also post their recommendadtions for the last couple of months.

eoiner-galway

rosboy wrote: »

+1.

Or else you could light it on fire and watch it burn:rolleyes:.

If you go messing in the stock without knowing what you are doing is just asking for trouble.

A little adive eoiner-galway, the streets aren't paved with gold on the stockmarket:D. If it was a case of putting your money in any old share and wacthing it flood back we'd all be living on the French Reviera!

I think this is a good idea for a thread, but don't expect every stock listed here to multiply by 1000x.

I subscribe the the Motley Fool (www.fool.com) newsletter, and this is a great site for getting advice and tips. When you subscribe (they have a few different newsletter, all about the $200 marK, you get their recommended stocks for the month. When you look back over the stocks for the last few years, as many have failed as succeeded. I'll look up a few stats and post the later.

I'll also post their recommendadtions for the last couple of months.

i totally agree... i mean... what warren buffet was looking at 40 years ago, was consumer goods... e.g coke, and gillette..... for long term investing energy is a huge area to get interested in......

rosboy

Sorry, you posted your second comment while I was replying to your first, so I'm catching up:)

eoiner-galway wrote: »

take the biggest economic thing in the news at the moment.. energy... its a no brainer.... we will run out of fossil fuels in this ever increasing population, and then what... wel evolution tells us that man adapts.. that means that when all petrol is gone... the cars on the roads will dissapear.. i think not... we will always find a new way? a new energy source, we already have? but how will we earn money from it......

This is definitely a good place to invest....if you have a good knowledge of what the new energy is going to be. Possible alternatives to fossil fuels are:

• Biofuel (there are three or four different types at the moment competing against each other e.g. ethanol & biodiesel, and who knows which will be most successful)
• Electrical cars
• Hydrogen fuelled cars
• Wind farms
• Sea powered electricity (harnessing wave power)
• Nuclear energy
• And a few more that I don't know about.....:)

I'm not trying to put you off investing new energies, but you just need to be careful which horse you back.

I was doing some research into buying into biofuel production in Argentina.

• Farmers are being run off their land by the government to zone the land for biofuel. Can this continue?
• Mass stretches of the rainforest are being deforested to make way for it. Can this continue?
• There are questions about whether you consume more energy refining the fuel than the energy you get from the fuel! Is this viable?

There's a certain ammount of a gamble to buying any stock. Look at Dell. Its one of the biggest comanies in the world. Its the number 2 computer manufacturer in the world, Its growing every year. It's very profitable, yet its stock has staggered for a few years now.

If you are interested in invest you have to be prepared to take risks, there are no guarantees.

I think you are taking the right approach in looking to future markets. I once read somewhere, "if you are jumping on the bandwagon, its already too late".

eoiner-galway

yeh good idea, know which energy to go into...

for those who dont know about dell? there main business is not with the avreage joe buying a computer online.... its with business and corporations...there staggering like gateway did years ago.... and cant keep up...

eoiner-galway

last year i was'nt legalley allowed to buy shares... i was looking into pacific ethanol... mistake... they only grew becouse the tanks in iraq needed fuel... well that was the idea...

its a sorry state but, i am a chemisty and mathematics student in the nuig... the most realistic source of energy to power 6billion peoples energy need is nuclear energy....

its the cheapest, easiest, and produces the most energy form the least work....

the question is, where to invest in nuclear energy... countrys control there own nuclear power stations.....

Fulton Crown

As important as knowing whichstock to invest in - it's also important to know whento invest - Bank stocks are very cheap just now and deliver a good dividend.

rosboy

Right so. Enough chat. Lets get down to the what eoiner-galway wanted....recommendations!

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eoiner-galway

yeh but the problem with banks is very simple jimmy give 1million to aib, aib give 100,000 loan to 11 people.... nothing wrong with that, its how a bank works....

northern rock:
Executives were encouraged to maximise short term profits by a bonus scheme with no regard for the consequences. So too much money was borrowed on short term money markets to lend out on risky mortgages. Basically the idiots running the company were too greedy.

and its happening with all banks... we(the people) cant keep living on this credit...... credit world....... it wont work...

rosboy

eoiner-galway wrote: »

its the cheapest, easiest, and produces the most energy form the least work....

the question is, where to invest in nuclear energy... countrys control there own nuclear power stations.....

And a different question might be do we want Somalia, Iran, Jordan, North Korea and other such lovely countries to have nuclear reactors:p.

Not sure if there will be a "one energy suits all solution" out there. A lot of the new energies are in their infancy. We'll just have to wait and see.

eoiner-galway wrote: »

yeh but the problem with banks is very simple jimmy give 1million to aib, aib give 100,000 loan to 11 people.... nothing wrong with that, its how a bank works....

northern rock:
Executives were encouraged to maximise short term profits by a bonus scheme with no regard for the consequences. So too much money was borrowed on short term money markets to lend out on risky mortgages. Basically the idiots running the company were too greedy.

and its happening with all banks... we(the people) cant keep living on this credit...... credit world....... it wont work...

Banks that have engaged in bad practices have gotten their fingers badly burned, Northern Rock being the prime example in the UK/Ireland markets. AIB & BOI didn't enngage in the same practices, or at least to the same extent. The are relatively insulated from the subprime shambles. The hit they have taken in the global hit the whole banking industry have taken. Their underlying business is strong and secure. If I had money I'd be buying into AIB now:D

If you are interested in a particular stock, why not check out Google Finance (http://finance.google.com/finance). You can see the history of a particular stock, as well as many news reports relating to that company. It also has financial info on the company (asset, liabilities, etc.)

If you want to invest in stocks in a particular sector, but aren't sure which ones are for you, you could try buying into funds. You are buying into a group of stocks related to a particular sector e.g. Chinese businesses, indian businesses, business engaged in mining industry. Rabo Is a good place to have a look if you're interested (http://www.rabodirect.ie/). Its very easy to set up and use. With funds you're spreading you money out over a lot of different shares (there's a fund there for New Energies eoiner-galway:)). This minimise the risk, although the returns may not be as impressive as buying one energy stock that does really well.

eoiner-galway

thanks for the heads up.... but you gotta learn to cut out the middle man, what do you think rabo are getting out of this little scheme..... ill have a look at it, but it sounds suspicious

you gotta invest plainly in the stock, to maximize your gains..... you need to find a profiable company.... this is the question... which company, which area... thats where the real money is....

rosboy

eoiner-galway wrote: »

you gotta invest plainly in the stock, to maximize your gains..... you need to find a profiable company.... this is the question... which company, which area... thats where the real money is....

By picking one good stock before it make sit big you can indeed make a fortune. My point is that Motley Fool are a company that make their money from advising people on what are the best stocks to buy. Out of approx 140 recommendations over the past 6 years, about 60 of their recommendations have lost money. And these are professionals who profit from others making money!!!!!

As I said before, if it was that easy everyone would be doing it, and be successful:p.

Best of luck to you in your future investments eoiner-galway....I've emparted all my (limited!) knowledge on the matter:)

eclectichoney

Rabo are getting the entry and exit costs (0.75% each way, if you're holding for the long term this isn't a major consideration imho given that there are entry costs with buying stock directly as well) and 1.5% a year. Some would vie wthis as a fair price for the significant gains in diversification , particularly with a very risky and volatile sector like energy.

BendiBus

I'm starting to get a little nervous about energy.

While I think the energy industry is fundamentally on a one-way growth route, and I've a good portion of my investments in the sector, it seems to be all anyone is talking about. Sound businesses aren't guaranteed to be sound investments if valuations are wrong.

My prediction, but maybe not for 2008, is that energy is the next bubble.

Investing in energy is easy. Knowing when to bank your profit is going to be very important if you don't want to see it all wiped out in the inevitable energy crash!

eoiner-galway

banking profit.... what is change or have and effect on energy... its complicated.. but like this

1980's america... people fighted for an increased tax on the rich... so the rich were taxed more.... but what the people didnt realise was that those same rich controlled most of there consumer products, and so the tax that was set upon them, was re-earned from there produts.... the people shot themselfs in the foot, and ultimately ended up loosing out...

what im trying to get at is.... if not investing in energy itself, what can we invest in the is either effected, or going to effect energy....

Perhaps you should start by learning the difference between investing and speculating.

''Speculation is always fascinating and it can be a lot of fun while you are ahead of the game. If you want to try your luck at it, put aside a portion - the smaller the better - of your capital in a seperate fund for this purpose. Never add more monet to this account just because the market has gone up and profits are rolling in. (That's the time to think of taking your money out of your speculative fund.) Never mingle your speculative and investment operations in the same account, nor in any part of your thinking.''

Benjamin Graham - The Intelligent Investor

Black Swan

You might want to consider a DRIP with JNJ, obviously long. The dividends are automatically reinvested in more JNJ stock, and with the Baby Boom growing older and retiring, their health needs will increase over the next decade or so. Further, once you hold one or more JNJ stocks in a DRIP, you can add to your position without a brokerage fee (up to quarterly limits).

eoiner-galway

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Perhaps you should start by learning the difference between investing and speculating.

''Speculation is always fascinating and it can be a lot of fun while you are ahead of the game. If you want to try your luck at it, put aside a portion - the smaller the better - of your capital in a seperate fund for this purpose. Never add more monet to this account just because the market has gone up and profits are rolling in. (That's the time to think of taking your money out of your speculative fund.) Never mingle your speculative and investment operations in the same account, nor in any part of your thinking.''

Benjamin Graham - The Intelligent Investor

nice ideas!!!!!

IrishMike

Ryanair if you believe that 130 oil is not sustainable which it most certainly is not are a great buy.
They are hovering around the 2.55 mark for a company that was trading at over 6 a year ago.
They have the best business model in the sector, they have more cash than any other airline and they have the lowest costs.
For me they are a screaming buy.

Time Magazine

IrishMike wrote: »

Ryanair if you believe that 130 oil is not sustainable which it most certainly is not are a great buy.

You're right. I can only seeing it increasing as China, India and sub-Saharan Africa develop.

They are hovering around the 2.55 mark for a company that was trading at over 6 a year ago.

Reflecting, among other things, their poor results and expectations of having to give half their seats away next year to fill up their planes.

They have the best business model in the sector, they have more cash than any other airline and they have the lowest costs.
For me they are a screaming buy.

They have increased passenger numbers by 25% year on year. I don't see that being sustainable for more than another decade.

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Sonnenblumen

If you haven't already done so, pop € 20k into the INBS, and get a cool carpetbagging 50%+ ROI in 2 years.

daveirl

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