German short hair vs German wire hair

Cbeirne82

I previously had a GSP which I used for hunting Pheasants, Snipe Woodcock and Ducks. He was fairly good but The main problem I had was that I could not get him to retrieve. I was told before I bought him that it came very naturally to the breed but no matter what I tried I could not get him to retrieve.

Also he was not to fond of going into hedges or heavy cover (ie after woodcock). I have never seen a wire hair in action but ive heard they are very good for hunting heavy cover.

Can anybody let me know the pros and cons of each.

Octopus

I have a GSP, great all round dog. Will retrieve anything from land or water (will also retrieve anything kids in the park are playing with when he's out for a walk ). Great engine hunts all day, my own loves to hunt in thick overgrowth e.g. rushes, overgrown weeds, high turnips etc but equally at home over stubbles, sowing etc. No problem with ditches but he's got the knack of coming out of the ditch and running down the outside listening for the bird then busting back in again. This works great except he hunts my side of the ditch and this in/out tactic means he pushes all the birds out my shooting partners side of the ditch :mad:.
Anyway i'm more than happy with him. Had setters previous to this, great dog but would not retrieve, which is a disaster.

No experience of the wire haired variety but would be interested to hear other viewpoints.

meathstevie

What I've seen from my dad's dogs is the following : the short hair and the wirehair both tend to be a good allrounder. The only real difference in my opinion is that the short hair pointers are not as fond of water ( retrieving from lakes and rivers ) as the wire hair lads tend to be.

jwshooter

Cbeirne82 wrote: »

I previously had a GSP which I used for hunting Pheasants, Snipe Woodcock and Ducks. He was fairly good but The main problem I had was that I could not get him to retrieve. I was told before I bought him that it came very naturally to the breed but no matter what I tried I could not get him to retrieve.

Also he was not to fond of going into hedges or heavy cover (ie after woodcock). I have never seen a wire hair in action but ive heard they are very good for hunting heavy cover.

Can anybody let me know the pros and cons of each.

i have three gwp and one gsp. my short hair does not like water , but ranges better than the gwp she will hunt cover just as hard as two of my gwp . a full brother of my gsp hates cover and will not go near the stuff but on open ground or beet turnips he is a joy to watch .i have a year old gwp that is wired wrong it thinks its a springer in cover

pullandbang

I have two GSP's (one's only a pup) and I have to agree about the water thing. She just doesn't like retrieving from water. I've lost birds because of her. Ended up buying a Lab to do the retrieving but she turned out to be useless.

The pointer is a fantastic hunter. She ranges out 200 yards but is rock steady on point and will pass nothing - even if it's up a tree!

I've also shot over my mates two GWP's and they too are great hunters but seem to have no problem with water. In fact it was the first time I'd ever seen a dog "honouring the point". The fisrt dog set a bird and the second dog set also but about 20 feet back from the first! Sorry I hadn't my camera with me.

Vegeta

depends on the dog and training to be honest

We had a gsp who was absolutely useless in water too

Bought an english setter 2 weeks ago. Sweet jesus can that dog hunt, well trained too

had the lab out as well. Made the lab sit and threw 2 dummies out, one over its head and another to its left to use the hand signals to direct him

In the mean time the setter had set about 200 yards away. Couldn't just abondon the labs mini workout so made the lab retrieve the dummy to the left, Then walked up to the setter. He must have held like a rock for 3 minutes.

Was so pleased with him. Have spent lots of money on dogs in the past. If there's any advice I'd give someone its save your pennies and buy the right dog. If you can train a dog its a great reward.

I have bought 2 fully trained dogs in the last 3 months and they are magnificent.

SO OP if you are buying a trained dog go and see him work a few times and if the dog doesn't do what you want then don't buy him

If you are buying a pup see the parents work (both of them) and get researching now on training techniques.

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Wolfhillbilly

I had a GSP up until about 2 years ago. Great nose, great hunter, great engine, but could not get him to retrieve in water. he did everything else but was a bit sticky on the point. His nose was amazing though. He was a bit hesitant to go through really thick cover, although if there was a bird there he'd put it out.
Just to confuse the debate, I was talking to a breeder in Louth a few months back who swears that the German Longhaired Pointers are the next 'big thing'. He is heavily invovled in field trials and says that there are more and more coming into the country and that within five years they'll be cleaning up on the field trial circuit. I know nothing about them so I dont know how much of what he said is true - and he was trying to sell me a dog after all!!
They are a fine looking dog - sort of like a red setter wth its coat dyed brown.