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Tupac Shakur
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17-04-2008 12:06pm#1Nearly 12 years on, what are everybody's thoughts on 2pac?
-The Greatest to ever do it?
-Hypocrite?
-Average rapper?
-Misunderstood?
I personally think he's the greatest MC to ever do it, but prefer his politically conscious, gangsta flavoured albums like 2pacalypse Now and Strictly 4 my N.I.G.G.A.Z. than the all out extravagances of All Eyez on Me.
Anyone have any opinions either way........??
Can opened....
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Being a huge fan of rap and listening to everything from Sadat X to Lupe Fiasco, I still think 2Pac is one of the greatest ever to do it. He brought rap music into the spotlight and even though some of his verses were violent, he also managed to show a more socially aware side of the music. A few friends of mine were talking about this the other night, and we seemed to agree that 2Pacs music is continuing to live on the same way Bob Marleys has - you can just throw on a 2pac cd at anytime and the tunes still sound as good as when you first heard them.
All in all an absolute legend.
Ya man dats what we like 2 hear!
His life is so interesting and he had so many sides to him that I never get bored of him. I could listen to him all day and all night long, and alot of the music is deep and meaningful. I don't think anybody before or after him really measured up.0 -
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I've heard a lot lately, where some misguided blind deaf and dumb idiots seem to think Soulja Boy is the next 2Pac??? How in the fcuk could anybody compare those 2? 2Pac was deep, his beats were good, and he had something to say. Soulja Boy is just a pile of talentless, vapid, noise making ****.
OH THANK YOU!!
Here's a few names; 50 Cent, Mims, Soulja Boy, Ja Rule.....
Let's face it, gangsta rap died with Biggie & Tupac. In fact, I think hip-hop's golden age was 1987-1997. I personally am still buying records from this era! Hip-Hop went commercial, and now it's all about who has the most blinged out video and the flyest clothes/rides/ girls etc etc etc....
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!
What happened to the days when emcees were trying to get a message across? Don't get me wrong, I know the flashy macho nature has been present since the beginning, but at least it was balanced out with a political awareness and a desire to bring attention to issues!
Instead of artists like 2pac, Public Enemy and N.W.A., we have SOULJA BOY, P Diddy (The WORST) and 50 Cent.
UGH!
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To the best of my memory, and I was listening to him when 2Pacalypse & Strictly 4... were released, he didn't have that many chart hits. People started latching on to him when California Love was released and then all his posthumous stuff.
I would have like to hear him work with some good producers. Would love to have heard him do something over a Primo banger.
Holla If Ya Hear Me is still a classic to me I have to admit.
Memory mustn't be that great so. :rolleyes:
Brenda's got a baby and Trapped from 2pacalypse Now were hits. Keep ya head up and I get around were hits from Strictly 4 my N.I.G.G.A.Z. Dear Mama, Me against The World, and Temptations were hits from Me Against The World. California Love as u have said was a hit from All Eyez on me. U seem to be forgetting tracks like I ain't mad at cha, How do u want it, Picture Me Rollin', Ambitionz az a ridah, and All about u among others which were all huge. From The Don Killuminati: The 7 day theory, how about Hail Mary? To live and die in L.A.? Krazy? Toss it up?
As regards his posthumous stuff, I will concede that besides the exception of tracks like Do for love and Changes. maybe a few others, it's mostly weak and monotonous.
As regards producers, ya I agree he could've worked with better. I still love a lot of the producers he did work with though. Bobcat who produced most of the Strictly.. album, Daz Dillinger who produced some of the best tracks on All Eyez, Dr. Dre obviously, Johnny J, again from All Eyez, Devante Swing of Jodeci, Easy Mo Bee, DJ Quik, etc etc...
Besides him having a number of mainstream hits, I also have to disagree with him lacking skills. I'd refer u back to Strictly 4 my N.I.G.G.A.Z. and All Eyez on Me for any doubts u might have on this! 0 -
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I can see most here are casual listeners. Tupac's Last Real Album was R U Still Down from 1997, which was left in somewhat original format, although there was a lot remixed. everything after that was heavily remixed watered down and stripped of everything he worked for in his short time here, you can thank Amaru for that. they'd rather paint a picture that he was a saint rather then a thug.
He accomplished an outstanding amount and left us with a wealth of material in 6 years, unmatched in any other genre by any other artist, upwards of 600 songs, over 100 still unreleased to this day, nobody can be compared to Tupac Shakur Ie: Biggie Eazy E, anyone period. they were completely different men with completely different legacy's so a comparison is ridiculous. I have been a huge fan and collector of his works for well over a 15 year period, spending upwards of 20k on material, ie music and footage. there is a wealth of new material to be seen and heard nearly everyday if you delve deep enough, fans don't rely on posthumous albums for our fix, the dirty bootleggers supply us with what we need.
If you like hip-hop or even if you don't, nobody can deny that Tupac Shakur was one of the greatest musicians of our generation, and his music will live on forever.
Finally we have a real Tupac enthusiast. It's good to know there are people out there who know there is a deeper level to the man, and recognise his genius.
Nobody else has had an impact on the industry like him. And as for the posthumous releases I agree with you 100%. How can anybody compare the farce of Pac's Life and Until The End of Time with Strictly 4 my N.I.G.G.A.Z.? It's like comparing Ja Rule with Public Enemy!
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Tupac deserves credit for dieing at the right time in the right circumstances, which in turn brought his music to the masses. Not for being this demi-god rapper that people seem to see as.
In fairness he could tell a story, but so can most people, he didnt tell them amazingly well IMO, just had the right stage to do it on. There are alot better storytelling raps song than "Brendas gotta Baby" etc that people rally on about when refering to "The Great Pac".
His rap style was mainstream, simple and sold to the masses, fair play. It didnt build on the genre, it just built on the number of people who listened to the genre. People might of started listening to hiphop because they heard Tupac on the radio, but when they really get into it, and go through to the soul of it, the real stuff, the original, Rakim, Slick Rick early LL, Pimp C etc etc, I'd even go as far as early Oukast, they realise what Tupac was doing was fairly standard, that he never pushed the boundaries, ****, the lad rarely even rapped outside of the AB format.
IMO a great rapper does something that others dont, thus improving the depth of the genre, or developing a new style with the genre, Tupac didnt do this.
I started listening to hip-hop after hearing 2pac. As a result I got into artists like N.W.A., Biggie, Public Enemy, Eric B & Rakim, KRS One, Royce Da 5'9", Redman, EPMD, Big L, Mos Def, Puff Daddy... (That last one was a joke
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Anyway, as regards his skills, I don't think it is fair to say he was average. I will agree that some of his stuff that entered the charts was weak, but to get the real Tupac u need to listen ho his albums in entirety. Ever heard Last Wordz featuring Ice Cube & Ice T? Holla if ya hear me? Only fear of death? Fake a*s b*tches? Maybe just my opinion but Keep ya head up is one of the greatest hip-hop tracks ever.
U need to delve deeper to find the best of Tupac IMO. Don't rate him solely on Brenda's got a baby and California Love.
Besides his skills, I think there was never anybody (and probably never will be again) with as much charisma as Tupac. I'm not saying being a star is a prerequisite for being a rapper, but that it adds to his appeal.0 -
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