Pro Chinese protest GPO 12/4/08

AnimalRights

http://pix.ie/punkrock/album/320947

My work friend wanted photos.....pics taken with the kit that comes with the new 450D 18-55 IS.

YogiBear

AnimalRights

Are you Irish and if so I think I mighta seen ya....

/edit
actually scrap that, just seen ur profile...hehe.

GhostInTheRuins

Good pics. The one with the garda on the bike is unusual, what was the guy beside him doing?

Thirdfox

Here's a few of mine (for the article I'm writing):

YogiBear

I love the first and third Thirdfox!

Thirdfox

Thanks Yogi:

I'm not sure which one I want for the article yet... it's between these four I think. But no.1 doesn't really convey that a thousand people were involved... but no.3 doesn't really look right for some reason (in my opinion).

The weather was atrocious by the way (kept hoping that my camera wouldn't die in the rain).

YogiBear

Yep the weather was bad today alright.
I know there's a guy to the bottom right of no.3 but other than that it's a good shot. I took one like this but I held the camera tilted or something so the building looks as if it's about to fall down! lol. One of my first times in town with my cam in such a busy area so I'll put it down to experience! :cool:

Cabaal

Thirdfox, loving the flags in the background on that 1st one, my fav of the bunch

Thirdfox

Thanks, I just find it surprising that none of the Irish media has picked up on the story...

AnimalRights

What story?
Without being smart theres not really a story, The Irish media are pro Tibetan as is most of the free worlds press, while todays Chinese protest was good natured etc all it did was remind me of someone putting a cheap plaster on a slit artery.

I liked your 2nd photo btw.

Thirdfox

Well the point of my news article which I've just finished writing is that free media has a duty to be impartial - standards of journalism and all that. Only giving one side a voice in coverage is akin to a betrayal of the ideals of a democracy...

Anyway this kind of talk isn't suitable for the photography forum. I was just remarking that these pictures do not seem to have appeared at all on the Irish news.

jordanh999

Love the first and third one.


Keep it up

cahalfinbarr

Perhaps it not appropriate. But where does one raise this. The hyprocrisy of journalists. My wife loved the photos but would like to see moe.

AnimalRights

Maybe tonights episodes of The Simpsons on Sky will feature moe.

nilhg

Thirdfox wrote: »

Anyway this kind of talk isn't suitable for the photography forum. I was just remarking that these pictures do not seem to have appeared at all on the Irish news.

There's a shot from the demo on the front of the Sunday Times.

Thirdfox

Ah cool, I'll have a look out for that then. Thanks.

MasterSun

Thirdfox wrote: »

Ah cool, I'll have a look out for that then. Thanks.

there are some photos in the Irish times also.

Fenster

Typical Ireland. Everywhere else in the world protests for Tibet, we protest for China.

(Nice photos)

Zzippy

Fenster wrote: »

Typical Ireland. Everywhere else in the world protests for Tibet, we protest for China.

(Nice photos)

Demographics. There are a lot of Chinese people living in Ireland, think its the tird most spoken language or something. There are very few Tibetans. I'd bet the vast majority of Irish people would take the side of Tibet, but they don't care enough to turn out and protest.
A small country (yes, it was a country before being invaded by China) should be able to count on the support of a country that was in a similar position, so I'm glad this protest is not getting widespread coverage, I'd hate people abroad to get the impression that Irish people actually support China's brutal repression of demonstrations for independence. Black and Tans anyone?
But I think this discussion is more suited to a politics forum...

Nice photos BTW

AnimalRights

I'm pissed off at attending this and forgetting about The Palestinian protest at Central bank!!!!

Thirdfox

Fenster wrote: »

Typical Ireland. Everywhere else in the world protests for Tibet, we protest for China.

(Nice photos)

That's only what is seen on the media here - there have been lots of protests around the world in support of the Olympics and backing the Chinese government.

See the pictures of Munich, Toronto, Manchester etc.

Zzippy

Thirdfox wrote: »

That's only what is seen on the media here - there have been lots of protests around the world in support of the Olympics and backing the Chinese government.

See the pictures of Munich, Toronto, Manchester etc.

TBH, Chinese emigrants marching to support their government's repression of a small country seeking autonomy - the autonomy they had before China invaded - is not exactly news, more like propaganda.

cahalfinbarr

holy men seeking power, lets do away with ballot box and have rome rule

Thirdfox

Zzippy wrote: »

TBH, Chinese emigrants marching to support their government's repression of a small country seeking autonomy - the autonomy they had before China invaded - is not exactly news, more like propaganda.

I'll bite - I'm Irish (well naturalised citizen) and I support their cause for having a peaceful Olympics and anti-media bias. I wasn't marching because I was covering the event from a journalistic point of view.

I have issue with much of what you said but I wouldn't blame you since the media so far has been quite ignorant of the whole facts and only show one side of the argument (in many people's opinion). I would ask that you look at all the facts before coming to a decision on the issue.

If this thread turns into a political one it probably should be locked (or at least moved to the politics forum).

One question I must ask you though before this thing gets locked, why do you think that so many overseas Chinese (including some who have lived here for decades) support the government on this issue (leaving aside criticism on other issues)? Do you think they've been brainwashed? Even though some have never been in contact with Chinese media and grew up watching BBC etc.? Or perhaps these people who understand Chinese history better than some journalists (and dare I say politicians) over here do not subscribe to the view that is being portrayed by the media here?

By dismissing these people's opinions you end up achieving nothing. By understanding them and their concerns you may end up making progress for your aims and just maybe you'll see they have many valid points to make too.

magicbastarder

Thirdfox wrote: »

Only giving one side a voice in coverage is akin to a betrayal of the ideals of a democracy...

i think that's a bit of an overreaction; the press are not there to protect free speech, they are there to exploit it.

Thirdfox

Not when they claim to be impartial and hold the ethics of journalism. If they want to state their bias then make sure the people know that what they're getting is not the whole truth (or maybe not even the truth) but what that particular paper believes to be true.

And if they go down that road how are they better than the Chinese government's propaganda machine?

But in a society like ours where we are more free to speak of these things than our Chinese counterparts I do appreciate that there can be debate on the issue (which is largely ignored by media - it's their right to do so, as long as they don't claim to be impartial journalists).

See this written by a Telegraph journalist and the comments below:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/foreign/richardspencer/march2008/tibetbiascutsbothways.htm
and hopefully people will gain a greater understanding of why those Chinese people protested last Saturday.

Zzippy

Thirdfox wrote: »

Not when they claim to be impartial and hold the ethics of journalism. If they want to state their bias then make sure the people know that what they're getting is not the whole truth (or maybe not even the truth) but what that particular paper believes to be true.

And if they go down that road how are they better than the Chinese government's propaganda machine?

But in a society like ours where we are more free to speak of these things than our Chinese counterparts I do appreciate that there can be debate on the issue (which is largely ignored by media - it's their right to do so, as long as they don't claim to be impartial journalists).

See this written by a Telegraph journalist and the comments below:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/foreign/richardspencer/march2008/tibetbiascutsbothways.htm
and hopefully people will gain a greater understanding of why those Chinese people protested last Saturday.

Maybe the reason the media are biased is that they don't like being prevented from reporting the facts. The Chinese government have banned journalists from Tibet, so we can't even find out the extent of what's going on there. How many people have been killed, for instance?
I'd take a biased press over no human rights any day. TBH, I'd much rather see photos reporting the news in Tibet than photos of a pro-Chinese protest in Dublin, but you know what, there are a lot more photos of that protest in the papers than there are from Tibet.
You go on about the media being biased here, but at least they can report the facts. Look, some of them even reported on the Dublin protest. But Chinese media are not allowed report the facts, and foreign media are not even allowed access. So going on about a biased media here is pretty rich.

TelePaul

All this political jibber-jabber - I can't give that away on 7th avenue.

Less talky, more shooty.

Thirdfox

True true - I'll let Zzippy have the last say on the matter. Please do not mistake me to a be a Chinese government apologist though - I'll criticise them when I feel it's due. But I'll criticise my own media even more because we expect a higher standard from our journalists than from the Chinese state media.

Chris_Heilong

Well said Thirdfox, Im also Irish but unlike my fellow countrymen I know a bit about Asia, and why the Chinese feel they are not shown in a good light in the west, there are just so many factors involved, When people spout out 'Free Tibet' I cringe because I know how the term came about. But this is not a political topic. The Photo's are great, if only our news papers showed something like them instead of the angry ones the did show.

Roen

TelePaul wrote: »

All this political jibber-jabber - I can't give that away on 7th avenue.

Less talky, more shooty.

Amen