Some photos from the IwW Paddys tour.

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Here are some pictures taken at the Donnycarney Evening show.
Pics by Damien Mc Guirk, Cheers mate!

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EdK

Haha hes still got the green boots

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Dickmcsavage

Poor poor René Dupree, how your career has gone downhill. If I was a former WWE wrestler and the sort of gigs I was gettin' was IWW I would probably hang up the auld boots to be honest unless of course the money was VERY good.

Whiplash

Whats wrong with IwW Dick? IwW has had many a former wwe preformer come work for them. I personally have met a few and they all have said IwW is a great promotion to work with. In fairness Rene Dupree working with IwW isn't going down hill. In wrestling at some point you come full circle. You start out wrestling in front of small crowds and if you are lucky you get signed by wwe,and if like Rene and many others you get released you go back to small crowds.If a former wwe guy works for IwW it isn't a step downhill, I would bet you that Rene has worked for promotions that you havent even heard of. IMO dick you know noting about how the wrestling business works. Just because at one point you are a wwe wrestler, it doesnt mean that when you are no longer in wwe that ANY promotion that wants to book you is a step downhill. If you meet a wrestler who has worked with IwW like I have I would bet my life that they would have nothing but good to say about it. So DICK if you where a wrestler who would hang up their boots if you worked for a company like IwW, well I'd say you are an egotisical Asshole

Fozzy

Less of the insults please Whiplash

The reality is that if you're not in WWE then you're going to be working smaller crowds (unless you get a gig with a big Japanese or Mexican promotion, which Dupree has)

Dupree's very young anyway, I think Cody Rhodes is the only WWE wrestler younger than him, so if he wants to get back there then he needs to keep wrestling

Dickmcsavage

Well firstly Whiplash, I'm not gonna get involved in childish name-calling with you. I look at the situation from more of a financial standpoint. If I was a wrestler who made it in WWE, I would be ecstatic both because it would be a dream to work with WWE and also because the money would be fairly good. If I was then to be fired from WWE I would then have to seriously weigh up my options. Do I fly to the likes of Ireland and not make that much money or do I fall back on my studies and get a job with a steady wage? I don't mean any disrespect to IWW. I think it's great that Ireland has a decent wrestling organisation. Infact I've been seriously considering joining the group for a number of years now but my own finances have prevented that with the likes of college etc. I even went down to view a training session to get an idea of what to expect and I was impressed. I see IWW as a great starting point for young Irish wrestlers but if René wishes to get more regonition in his attempts to rejoin the WWE then wrestling in the States and/or Canada is probably the best way to go.

rizzla

Dickmcsavage wrote: »

Poor poor René Dupree, how your career has gone downhill. If I was a former WWE wrestler and the sort of gigs I was gettin' was IWW I would probably hang up the auld boots to be honest unless of course the money was VERY good.

+1, lol

Just because it seemed to get that other bloke all wound up.

What was the attendance anyway, I stopped goin to IWW shows when the audience became over run with hyperactive kids with parents who didn't give a f**k, made all the more worse aswell because there was no guard rails.

rossie1977

dupree won't be signing with the WWE anytime soon as long as he keeps pumping illegal chemicals into his body by the bucketload

former WWE wrestlers often wrestle in front of maybe a dozen people at indie shows in the states, there is a video on youtube of kevin nash wrestling in front of like 20 people just a few weeks after being let go by the WWE and he seems to be enjoying himself

Ham'nd'egger

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Well firstly Whiplash, I'm not gonna get involved in childish name-calling with you. I look at the situation from more of a financial standpoint. If I was a wrestler who made it in WWE, I would be ecstatic both because it would be a dream to work with WWE and also because the money would be fairly good. If I was then to be fired from WWE I would then have to seriously weigh up my options. Do I fly to the likes of Ireland and not make that much money or do I fall back on my studies and get a job with a steady wage? I don't mean any disrespect to IWW. I think it's great that Ireland has a decent wrestling organisation. Infact I've been seriously considering joining the group for a number of years now but my own finances have prevented that with the likes of college etc. I even went down to view a training session to get an idea of what to expect and I was impressed. I see IWW as a great starting point for young Irish wrestlers but if René wishes to get more regonition in his attempts to rejoin the WWE then wrestling in the States and/or Canada is probably the best way to go.

Evidentially, you seem to know how little about how much wrestlers such as Dupree made in either their indy bookings or in their WWE careers, not to mention anything about the business in general; at least you are complimentary about IWW and it's school and I thank you for that.

Wrestlers will travel to shows all over the world to either make money or to get ring time and experience; or both. Many big name wrestlers actually make more money from working indy shows than for WWE/TNA; they also get to wrestle to some extent on their own terms, timings and schedules; they are usually paid on the spot and can make good monies on selling merchandise. Not too many wrestlers get allowed on their carriage so their road expenses can be very high, especially in the US/Canada when shows can be days travel from each other; travel in Ireland and the UK is far shorter and less of a pain. Some guys prefer working small shows, that is where almost all of them started in the first place. They need to keep wrestling to keep their sharpness and skills up and their name in the business.

Don't forget as well, the € is more powerful than the US$ so the earning potential here is far higher.

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May i apologise for any rude words said by myself i was a grade A prick(to be honest i had way to much whiskey before hand). on the subject of making money, if an american wrestler comes over and gets paid in euros when he changes it back to dollars hes making a nice bit of cash. With the exchange rates the way it is. theres plenty to be earned by working in ireland.Again dick i hope you can forgive the asshole remark it was out of line. i made an asshole out of myself

Dickmcsavage

^ No worries Whiplash. All is forgiven.

Anyways I do admit that I wouldn't know too much about the wages wrestlers recieve. I just imagined that the money in WWE would be alot better than working in the likes of IWW.

That's a good point about how the € is much stronger than the US$ and it's something I didn't think of when making my previous comment. In retrospect, it probably was a good move for René to work in IWW. He can now change those €'s into US$'s (or candian wherever he lives) and laugh all the way to the bank.

One other thing though, I'm guessing that René would be doing a bit of a European tour or something to make most of his time here because if René flew all the way to Dublin just for 1 show it would probably not be worth it with flights costing roughly €600 return.

the flananator

Dickmcsavage wrote: »

^ No worries Whiplash. All is forgiven.

Anyways I do admit that I wouldn't know too much about the wages wrestlers recieve. I just imagined that the money in WWE would be alot better than working in the likes of IWW.

That's a good point about how the € is much stronger than the US$ and it's something I didn't think of when making my previous comment. In retrospect, it probably was a good move for René to work in IWW. He can now change those €'s into US$'s (or candian wherever he lives) and laugh all the way to the bank.

One other thing though, I'm guessing that René would be doing a bit of a European tour or something to make most of his time here because if René flew all the way to Dublin just for 1 show it would probably not be worth it with flights costing roughly €600 return.

As far as I know he's living in the UK at the moment.

Brint

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Poor poor René Dupree, how your career has gone downhill. If I was a former WWE wrestler and the sort of gigs I was gettin' was IWW I would probably hang up the auld boots to be honest unless of course the money was VERY good.

To save you embarrassing yourself again with ignorant presumptions, let me break it down for you: When the US guys come over to IWW, they usually work about 5 shows for IWW around the country, in the space of usually 4 days - that's why IWW do mini-tours around Ireland - because they have some ex-WWE name value over, so they try to maximise it. At approx €200 per show (doesn't seem like much for a former WWE guy, but wait...), + another €150 in polaroid/8x10/T-shirt sales per show; that's approx €1750 for doing 5 shows = US$2750 for 4 or 5 days work, working easier matches, and travelling a lot less than with WWE.

The US guys (Smothers, Kid Kash, Eugene, Raven, Cabana, Daniels, Styles, and the dozens of other guys IWW have had over) usually travel to Europe for 3-4 weeks at a time (except the TNA guys), and are also wrestling most nights for various promotions, mainly in the UK (namely lots of dates with Dixon @ All Star, a few dates with 1PW, IPW:UK, Celtic Pro, RDW, XWA, SWA, Varsity Pro, etc, and a few other indies...), and usually a few dates for WXW in Germany too. When they come to the UK & Europe for a month (they usually pay their own flight), they'll likely earn approx US$9,000 per month after converting the stong Euro & Sterling back to their sh*tty US dollar, after working 4 or 5 times per week on an easy schedule. They pay their own flights from the US and most of their food, so they'd clear about US$7.5k. Yeah - that sucks!

An average prelim guy in WWE earns betwen US$70k - US$100k pa - that's an average of $7k per month....and they pay their own expenses, work their asses off in opening matches, and spend most of their time queueing at airport security, queueing at the car rental or hotel check-in, or driving to and from airports/gyms/arenas/eateries!!

So when Rene & Eugene, etc, came to Europe a few weeks ago to work, they made more money for less work & hassle than they would have had in WWE. Yep - what stupid losers... I'd hate to be travelling the world, doing a job I love, meeting new people, and only working for maximum 20mins a night, 5-nights a week, and making good money with free accomodation & internal transport: that sounds like it's definately time to pack it all in! :rolleyes:

rossie1977

to pick up on Brint's piece; there is a reason why lots of ex-WWE guys are now working full-time in england, guys like dupree, masters, sandman, heindrenreich etc; because they are making good money.

i watched in amazement at that wrestling rampage thing in castlebar last month at the parents just handing out 10euro to guys like test, masters etc for autographs, one parent handed over 50euro like it was nothing to get each guys signature and another 50euro for photos :eek:

at the end of the night sandman had a bunch of 20s so big he was asking other people to hold them for him as his pockets were full, a nice nights work if you can get it, his match lasted all of about 2 minutes btw

Dickmcsavage

Whoa easy there Brint! Calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean. I'm not that embarrassed about the whole thing TBH. I think it's a fair assumption to make that when you see René performing on SD! infront of 15,000+ fans on a weekly basis and then see him performing in front of a couple of hundered fans that you would think that he's making less money. I totally admit I was wrong though, I will say that. You learn something new everyday eh?