Giving the thugs in Limerick credibility

darkman2

Anyone listening to Joe Duffy atm? Some guy on talking an awful lot of sense about all this talk of 'mediation' for these thugs. Some priest has been offering to 'mediate' between these families of gangsters. I have to say im angry about this aswell. These 'scum' should have the Garda ERU put right outside their front door and I hope they get dealt with properly. Ive never heard such enraging crap as I have from this laywer and the priest from Limerick. Anyone who is listening to it will know what I mean! My own view is - to hell with mediation. Why are people talking about 'mediation'. Why dont the gaurds go in and just crush them!?

Really angry at what ive been hearing today:mad: Giving credibility to these subversive scumbags.

*very angry*

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

you'd fit in well in the bush white house

Sleepy

The people of Ireland aren't prepared to deal with vermin like they should. Double-tap, back of the head.

And no, I wouldn't have a problem being asked to pull the trigger.

EL_Loco

Dark, why not call Joe and give your point of view? no point in doing it here if you're angry about it getting radio time.

connundrum

Its a JoeShow, not a reflection of reality.

StephenInsane

Joooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Dufffffffffffyyyyyy.

Dragan

darkman2 wrote: »

Really angry at what ive been hearing today:mad: Giving credibility to these subversive scumbags.

*very angry*

LOL, obviously your anger is clouding your thinking somewhat.

Come up with a list of names of people involved, the crimes they committed, solid evidence, a proper case and witnesses that are willing to go to bat.

Sounds easier than it is, right?

darkman2

No, the solution is simple - internment without trial is being called for and I support that. Its time to put the foot down even if it upsets certain sensibilities.

Wertz

How is this giving them credibility? Their use of extreme violence and deadly weapons is what gives them credibility whether you like it or not. These guys aren't terrorists with political aspirations, they're thugs with profits to protect and scores to settle and they don't care what innocent bystander gets hurt of killed in the process...since the forces of law and order seem unable to cope, for whatever reason, other people in the community are trying to encourage dialogue and perhaps reach some form of "compromise" or truce or whatever....that's not giving them credibility, it's trying to do something about a situation that no-one seems capable of changing.
I agree that it's pandering to criminals...but just ignoring the facts here (ie that these guys are going to carry on regardless) is sticking your head in the sand. Not sure what any sort of dialogue is going to achieve though...

ScumLord

No to mediation! Yes to violence! Maybe you should go and start your own gang to wipe out all the other gangs.

TripleAce

Sleepy wrote: »

The people of Ireland aren't prepared to deal with vermin like they should. Double-tap, back of the head.

And no, I wouldn't have a problem being asked to pull the trigger.

+1

I second that.

Dragan

darkman2 wrote: »

No, the solution is simple - internment without trial is being called for and I support that. Its time to put the foot down even if it upsets certain sensibilities.

Thats one of the most foolish things i have ever heard of.

How can intern someone with no trial? How can you do it with no evidence?

Simply make an arbitrary decision that someone is involved and lock them up?

I am willing to bet that in the same breath you will bang on about America ignorning basic human rights with prision in G-Bay.

funk-you

Sleepy wrote: »

The people of Ireland aren't prepared to deal with vermin like they should. Double-tap, back of the head.

And no, I wouldn't have a problem being asked to pull the trigger.

Doubt you'd have the balls though.

-Funk

Wertz

Dragan wrote: »

How can intern someone with no trial? How can you do it with no evidence?

How do you do it with no prison spaces?

Internment might sound like the radical type of step that's needed...you're forgetting that these are family units and children in some cases that are carrying out some of the crimes or supporting them. Do you lock whole families up? We haven't even got the resources to imprison under 16's properly in this country after they've been tried and convicted.
What happens after the internment phase...you start letting people back out when things calm down? Do you build cases against people while they're interned?
All this does is leave the Stae wide open to litigation proceedings by people who legally may be unlawfully imprisoned and it also builds tensions amongst the communities being targetted, the sort of tensions that turn around and bite you on the arse years down the line...

darkman2

Dragan wrote: »

How can intern someone with no trial? How can you do it with no evidence?

Simply make an arbitrary decision that someone is involved and lock them up?

I believe the Offences against the State Act enables internment without trial. Lets get real here - we, as a society, are not doing anything to these thugs. Whether you want to belive it or not these people, through there own actions, are intentionally or unintentionally challenging the legitimacy of this State in Limerick and this State's capability to police sections of Limerick and keep the peace. Do you realise how serious that is? That is subversion. It might be Limerick now but could you imagine this happening in Dublin to the same scale, relative to its size, as in Limerick!? You would be bloody worried then. A message has to be sent now that this anarchy wont be tolerated. Internment seems to me the most merciful way of dealing with this and we have to deal with it as a society.

EamonnKeane

darkman2 wrote: »

No, the solution is simple - internment without trial is being called for and I support that. Its time to put the foot down even if it upsets certain sensibilities.

Bunreacht 38.1: "No person shall be tried on any criminal charge save in due course of law." Yep, certain sensibilities.

I am pie

With internment you'll end up with more criminals than you started off with ...innocent people get locked up, they tend to take it personally and will turn against the state. Unless you're going to lock up everyone remotely associated with those who you think may be responsible gangs will continue.

We need some drastic solutions, state sponsored murder (some of you clowns would fit right in the colombian right wing paramilitaries...and what a roaring success they are:rolleyes:) and internment are not the answer. We definitely do need to look around the globe for some successfu solutions...

...not ill thought out knee jerk reactions which have failed before. We need some heavy sentencing for drug related crime in the area certainly.

Dragan

darkman2 wrote: »

I believe the Offences against the State Act enables internment without trial. Lets get real here - we, as a society, are not doing anything to these thugs. Whether you want to belive it or not these people, through there own actions, are intentionally or unintentionally challenging the legitimacy of this State in Limerick and this State's capability to police sections of Limerick and keep the peace. Do you realise how serious that is? That is subversion. It might be Limerick now but could you imagine this happening in Dublin to the same scale, relative to its size, as in Limerick!? You would be bloody worried then. A message has to be sent now that this anarchy wont be tolerated. Internment seems to me the most merciful way of dealing with this and we have to deal with it as a society.

LoL, why would i be worried if all this started kicking off in Dublin?

I lived in Limerick for 4 and a half years, two doors down from one of the branches of these "scumbag families" for a considerable part of that time.

I have lots of people in my life who are all affected by these acts and yet none of us are freaking out because we KNOW that it is not as big and as scary and insane as the papers would have you believe.

I still await a decent answer as to how you choose who to look up based on what....and as Wertz excellently pointed out....where do you keep them?

Dave!

EamonnKeane wrote: »

Bunreacht 38.1: "No person shall be tried on any criminal charge save in due course of law." Yep, certain sensibilities.

3. 1° Special courts may be established by law for the trial of offences in cases where it may be determined in accordance with such law that the ordinary courts are inadequate to secure the effective administration of justice, and the preservation of public peace and order.

2° The constitution, powers, jurisdiction and procedure of such special courts shall be prescribed by law.

Pye

Sleepy wrote: »

The people of Ireland aren't prepared to deal with vermin like they should. Double-tap, back of the head.

And no, I wouldn't have a problem being asked to pull the trigger.

You'd probably fit in with them if that's the case. Hit man?