Can employer check if I'm telling truth about Leaving Cert?

civis_liberalis

I am currently filling out an application form for a job in retail.

It occured to me that I could totally fabricate my results.

(The job doesn't require 3rd level education, just that you are reasonably capable academically)

I don't intend to lie to them, for fear of being found out at a future date.

I know of people who have completely fabricated qualifications and have some very well paid jobs, but I doubt you would get away with that these days, would you?

Opinions?

I mean, can a company check without your consent, or is it the norm in such a situation just to request a copy of your results?

Ginger

I had had to submit my degree for photocopying, my certs had to be validated etc..

Usually when you get the job, they may ask for a copy of your results or someway to verify them.

Normal practice in a lot of places government especially

Wishbone Ash

civis_liberalis wrote:

I mean, can a company check without your consent, or is it the norm in such a situation just to request a copy of your results?

As Ginger has said, rather than checking the results all applicants, they usually require successful candidates to furnish a copy of their exam results.

board om

i am 10+ years working in a professional career and i have never once been asked for any of my qualifications. and without saying too much i 'may' have exagerated them ever so slightly.......

usually your first job out of school would look for your leaving cert results on your CV but any job after that usually wouldnt bother. then the same with college, the first job after college might look for your degree but after that you are home free.

government jobs require you to submit details of your degree before you do anything else but that is the only place i know that do it. well actually I am sure doctors and solicitors might get asked for them.

helimachoptor

Every company I've had a job with I've had to prove my results.
Working in my field it would become pretty obvious pretty quickly if I didnt have the skills.

board om

helimachoptor wrote: »

Every company I've had a job with I've had to prove my results.
Working in my field it would become pretty obvious pretty quickly if I didnt have the skills.

out of interest what field are you in?

helimachoptor

Technical Telecoms

Mr. Incognito

aha- I know a lot of people in practical telecoms.

helimachoptor

SetantaL wrote: »

aha- I know a lot of people in practical telecoms.

Its the bets place to be! But to get back on track, Op they probably wont care what you have down on your leaving cert.

If you go to college and you do something like commerce and apply for an Engineering job expect to be found out!

board om

helimachoptor wrote: »

Technical Telecoms

yeah, i suppose they would notice pretty quickly if you had spoofed your qualifications on that one. you wouldnt really get away with blaming any fcuk ups on the guy who doesnt speak english.

AARRRGH

Companies don't care about the Leaving Cert.

There is always a way to fake your qualification (scan it and change it, and then fax it to the company, etc.), but without meaning to sound like some kind of hippy, education is really important. It really helps your brain and I believe makes you a better person (because it makes your brain function better.) So I think working hard to get a good education is worth it for non-work reasons.

MiCr0

I know of one person who got fired from their job as an accountant after it was noted that they had lied about failing pass irish in the leaving cert.
It sents a huge level of mis-trust in an employer to find that staff had lied.

helimachoptor

MiCr0 wrote: »

I know of one person who got fired from their job as an accountant after it was noted that they had lied about failing pass irish in the leaving cert.
It sents a huge level of mis-trust in an employer to find that staff had lied.

I can understand the trust thing. But do you not need to have passed irish to go to college??

Also if you dont I'm not usre what relevance Irish has to accountancy..

civis_liberalis

helimachoptor wrote: »

Technical Telecoms

From you username i would have guessed that u were Helicopter pilot.

Lack of qualifications might come to light fairly quickly there i would imagine:D

But back to the topic at hand, without saying too much about the job i'm applying for, it is very much a long-term contract, where you are paid to be educated in retail. They are looking specifically for school leavers and people who havent continued to 3rd level.

Therefore my leaving results are very much of interest to them.

helimachoptor

civis_liberalis wrote: »

From you username i would have guessed that u were Helicopter pilot.

Lack of qualifications might come to light fairly quickly there i would imagine:D

But back to the topic at hand, without saying too much about the job i'm applying for, it is very much a long-term contract, where you are paid to be educated in retail. They are looking specifically for school leavers and people who havent continued to 3rd level.

Therefore my leaving results are very much of interest to them.

Mmm I smell a European retailer!
Op don't lie.

As an aside they will work you to the bone. A couple of friends from school have went down that route. One is now an area manager earning a fortune and has his company car but he works bloody hard for it believe me!

The other is a store manager who really works their socks off. Really long hours but they both really like it.

civis_liberalis

helimachoptor wrote: »

Mmm I smell a European retailer!
Op don't lie.

You smell very well:D haha.

I dont intend to lie, but its just that i know of and have worked with people who have lied, and tbh i dont know how they get away with it...

jay-me

A friend of mine worked for HP IBM and Dell with no leaving cert and feck all knowledge of computers and seemed to get away with it quite easily. He just used google and me when he was stuck. ( He was only doing tech support)

board om

as i said, i have 10+ years of getting away with it. and i worked for one of the companies mentioned in the above post. in fact when i started there i had to get someone to show me how to open outlook and start a word document becuase the only thing i knew how to do on a computer was turn it on. the funny thing is i have worked along side and got promoted above people with commerce degrees, degrees in business studies, etc. at the end of the day if you can do the job, who cares? its the people who BS their way into the job and cant actually do what they say they can that are the problem.

anyways, i dont feel as guilty about lying as i used to becuase i did end up going back to college as a mature student a few years back so i feel a bit less of a fraud now. i got me some of that there edumacation......

She Devil

Aww crap i just got offered a job in a gov body ... bet they will ask for my results now .... i may have staggered the truth here a little also! not majorily just a little!

Ginger

If you have specified your leaving cert, they will ask for the original..

Same with degrees etc..

board om

She Devil wrote: »

Aww crap i just got offered a job in a gov body ... bet they will ask for my results now .... i may have staggered the truth here a little also! not majorily just a little!

as far as i know they ask for details of you degree when you are applying so if they havent asked by now then you might be ok, i could be wrong though. but if you go to PublicJobs.ie and try and apply for a job it asks for your degree details before anything else.

She Devil

Awww crap this has me up all night worrying cos i dont usually lie about anything
Ah feck it ... going to hand in my notice anyway and hope for the best!!!

Ginger

It might depend on the agency/department.

I worked for a gov agency a while back and they checked whatever I put down. I had to give my original degree for photocopying, a photocopy by me wouldnt do..

Pythia

Where I work they asked for a copy of my Leaving Cert but not my degree, even though it's a role you'd need a degree for.

I wouldn't lie in case you get caught out.

stepbar

The Accentures and KPMGs of the world usually want to know your leaving cert results and will look for copies. If any company wanted to see my L.C results I'd tell them to p1ss off. Not relivant IMO.

board om

i presume the people who posted and said they were asked to show their LC results are talking about their first or second job after finishing school? no company are going to ask a 30 something year old who is 10+ years into their career to prove whether or not they passed honours history when they were 17 years old.

Pythia

board om wrote: »

i presume the people who posted and said they were asked to show their LC results are talking about their first or second job after finishing school? no company are going to ask a 30 something year old who is 10+ years into their career to prove whether or not they passed honours history when they were 17 years old.

Well, as I said, I had to show my LC in a field where a degree is a must (and of course I have one) but yet they just asked about the LC and photocopied it. I hadn't just left school.

cronos

board om wrote: »

i presume the people who posted and said they were asked to show their LC results are talking about their first or second job after finishing school? no company are going to ask a 30 something year old who is 10+ years into their career to prove whether or not they passed honours history when they were 17 years old.

If a company asks if you passed it then its possible they will ask you to prove it. However its unlikley a company would ever bother asking you the question in the first place so its unlikley you would need to prove yourself

Ginger

stepbar wrote: »

The Accentures and KPMGs of the world usually want to know your leaving cert results and will look for copies. If any company wanted to see my L.C results I'd tell them to p1ss off. Not relivant IMO.

If its on your CV they can ask to see a copy of it.. simple as ... As an employer I would ask, there is a certain cut off of course, but in general I will ask about it.

The same applies if they put certain experience down. I would expect that they would be able to supply either a reference or confirmation that they worked there.

In the last positions I have had, I have been asked for my degree papers 3 times, and to validate my other certs. Such is life.. if I put it down, it can be asked about.

board om

Pythia wrote: »

Well, as I said, I had to show my LC in a field where a degree is a must (and of course I have one) but yet they just asked about the LC and photocopied it. I hadn't just left school.

was it within a few years of leaving school though? like would it have been one of your first few jobs after your LC?

Ginger

board om wrote: »

i presume the people who posted and said they were asked to show their LC results are talking about their first or second job after finishing school? no company are going to ask a 30 something year old who is 10+ years into their career to prove whether or not they passed honours history when they were 17 years old.

had to show LC results, and I did my leaving in 97.. and this for a job in 2006. And I have been professionally employed since 2001. It was on my CV so they asked for to take a photocopy.

nesf

board om wrote: »

i presume the people who posted and said they were asked to show their LC results are talking about their first or second job after finishing school? no company are going to ask a 30 something year old who is 10+ years into their career to prove whether or not they passed honours history when they were 17 years old.

It's possible to be asked any time, though once your in your 30s it'd be much rarer and more dependent on the employer tbh. I don't get why someone in their 30s would want to lie about the LC results though, assuming they've several years experience under their belt. Some people can never resist "sprucing up" the CV though.

Nato!

well im 18 and im going over to london for the summer so I could lie completely because I have absolutely nothing to lose.:D:D:D

seamus

stepbar wrote: »

The Accentures and KPMGs of the world usually want to know your leaving cert results and will look for copies. If any company wanted to see my L.C results I'd tell them to p1ss off. Not relivant IMO.

Probably depends on the role you're in. I work for one of the above two companies and they've never asked for proof of my qualifications, and I've been through their hiring process twice

That said, I've never lied. When I've to put down LC results, I just put them down as best I can remember, I CBA going searching for the sheet. If they're wrong then I'll just plead the "Leaving cert is irrelevant" defence

helimachoptor

seamus wrote: »

Probably depends on the role you're in. I work for one of the above two companies and they've never asked for proof of my qualifications, and I've been through their hiring process twice

That said, I've never lied. When I've to put down LC results, I just put them down as best I can remember, I CBA going searching for the sheet. If they're wrong then I'll just plead the "Leaving cert is irrelevant" defence

Did my LC 8 years ago and I know how many points I got no idea what grades i got though!

Agent Smith

i know for a fact someone who is working in a very well paid IT job who has No formal qualifications whatsoever.


tbh. it all depends on the employer.

kathleenl

I left school in 1977, I didn't do a leaving certificate but i went back to school years later and did a VTOS course. I learnt computers and did my ECDL, ECDL advanced, Web Authoring and Computerised Business Studies in total there was 14 modules and i got distinctions in all of them. I also did a SAGE accounting privately. I had to include copies of all my certificates with my cv when i applied. I was 46 when i went back to school. The biggest mistake i ever made was not doing my Leaving cert, but i can tell you if you try to lie it will always catch up with you.
No matter what my children thought i would never let them drop out of school.

Meteoric

Where I work (pharma industry) there was someone offered the job, subject to checks. On checking it was found that the candidate lied on CV about results, not sure if it was LC or college, our manager had told us that this person was starting and had a start date.
Manager then had to come back to us and say we would have to put with being under-staffed for longer as they could not trust someone who would lie about something so trivial so the offer was withdrawn. Apparently person would have got the job with the actual result , was the fact of the lie.