a few questions on black, green, brown bins in balbriggan area

bikki

hello, i am a new resident of Balbriggan and am a little confused over the whole bins collection process! i contacted the council this morning and am non the wiser to be honest so if anyone can answer a few questions it would be much appreciated...

black bin - how often are they collected? weekly or every 2 weeks?
i am aware of having to buy tags, but has the flat rate fee come in yet?

green bin - havent received it yet (should be this week), is there a charge for putting them out? is this once a month or twice a month pick up?

brown bin - dont know when ill receive it, as lady in counsil did not know.
Is there a charge for this one, and again how often are they collected?

I was going to get a compost bin, and not bother getting the brown bin but lady in counsil basically said there was no point....as i would not be saving anything, hence my questions on charges above for green and brown bin.
She was saying that you would pay the same amount even if you dont want the brown one....
Thanks in advance

The Hill Billy

bikki wrote:

black bin - how often are they collected? weekly or every 2 weeks?

Weekly. Or as often as you put it out for collection.

bikki wrote:

i am aware of having to buy tags, but has the flat rate fee come in yet?

Not yet.

bikki wrote:

green bin - havent received it yet (should be this week), is there a charge for putting them out? is this once a month or twice a month pick up?

No charge. 4-weekly collection in some areas. Moving to fortnightly in all areas on a phased basis.

bikki wrote:

brown bin - dont know when ill receive it, as lady in counsil did not know.
Is there a charge for this one, and again how often are they collected?

Don't know.

See here for more info.

bikki

thank you

Fingleberries

bikki wrote:

black bin - how often are they collected? weekly or every 2 weeks?
i am aware of having to buy tags, but has the flat rate fee come in yet?

If you don't have a brown bin, it will be weekly. After you get your brown bin it changes into something vaguely resembling every two weeks. There'll be a calendar in the Brown bin that will try to explain the schedule. I think the flat fee comes in later, once your brown bin is in place.

bikki wrote:

green bin - havent received it yet (should be this week), is there a charge for putting them out? is this once a month or twice a month pick up?

Currently it's once a month, but should be changing to every two weeks in most areas (about the same time you get your brown bin)

bikki wrote:

brown bin - dont know when ill receive it, as lady in council did not know.
Is there a charge for this one, and again how often are they collected?

Technically speaking there's no charge for it - as in there is no bin tag needed, but the council introduced a hefty flat rate to cover the expense of it (that's an arguement for another day, though). This will be collected in the same muddled sort of two-week schedule as the black bin (it will alternate weeks with the black bin, but some times both bins will be collected on the same day).

The calendar in the brown bin will try to explain that better - once you see the calendar you'll know what I mean

Hope that helps answer your question.

bikki

thanks for the info.
well thats puts an explanation to why the counsil lady was saying the same charge covers both bins (green and brown). if i didnt want the brown bin and bought a composting bin instead, the charge would not be reduced...

blastman

Black bin is collected three weeks out of every four, if you have a brown bin as well, and the brown bin is collected two out of every four weeks. The cycle is usually black bin only, brown bin only, black bin only, both bins and repeat, but you should get a calendar of collections to see where in the cycle they are for any given week.

Green bin went to a fortnightly colllection for me a while back, there may be some areas where it is still every four weeks but this should change to fortnightly soon.

Only the black bin requires a tag (currently 8 Euro, I think). In theory this covers both of the other bins too, but because people have gotten so good at recycling, Fingal CC aren't making the money they expected from the tags and are talking about introducing a flat charge as well, as someone already mentioned above.

bikki

i got my green bin yesterday. should i have got any leaflets with them regarding dates and what to put in/not to put in? (black and green)
i have all the info from the fingal website printed of anyway, but i was just wondering cause when i ordered them i was told there would be an info leaflet with them. ... just curious...

wow sierra

You should have got a leaflet with the Green bin and a calender for the collection date. If you are like me you put it out when you see the neighbours bin out:). Oxigen run the Green bin service for the Council. If you dont get the calender in the next few days give them a ring.

santry_goonshow

Is anyone who is using Panda or Citybin aware if they do recycling, i.e. bring centres?

The Hill Billy

santry_goonshow wrote: »

Is anyone who is using Panda or Citybin aware if they do recycling, i.e. bring centres?

See Panda Fingal & City Bin Dublin sites. It wouldn't appear as if either company operate 'bring centres'.

greatgoal

no they have no bring centres,as these are private companies all they are interested in is profit,they have no intention of providing them in the future either.

santry_goonshow

greatgoal wrote: »

no they have no bring centres,as these are private companies all they are interested in is profit,they have no intention of providing them in the future either.

See that's what I was thinking. So these corporates are going to undercut the Council by a couple of schillings but they don't have to provide all the specialist recycling facilities that the Council is doing. So by going with them we are threatening the provision of much needed future Green infrastructure. As I understand it thats what the Council uses the bin charges for, so we are going backwards in environmental terms just because of greed!:eek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaKkuJVy2YA

greatgoal

spot on santry,also if you keep an eye on these guys,green,brown and black bin waste are all being collected by the one truck,therefore wasting peoples time who seperate their rubbish into seperate bins,as far as i can see its all a profit making con and totally contravenes waste laws.

santry_goonshow

greatgoal wrote: »

spot on santry,also if you keep an eye on these guys,green,brown and black bin waste are all being collected by the one truck,therefore wasting peoples time who seperate their rubbish into seperate bins,as far as i can see its all a profit making con and totally contravenes waste laws.

Can the Council not just hammer them, or at least fine or force them to open bring centres. Is it true the same gang that are behind the M50 tollbooth are behind these companies?

greatgoal

i heard theyre involved in some way,the council are finding it hard to compete with these guys because people only see a cheaper price,which is understandable,but at the end of the day ,if the council pull out,all the recycling centres will close,leaving the private companies to take the brunt of our rubbish and then we will see their true colours as other counties did ie more rubbish to collect,higher charges,just look at drogheda,12euro bin tag and 4.50euro green bin.

The Hill Billy

greatgoal wrote:

no they have no bring centres,as these are private companies all they are interested in is profit,they have no intention of providing them in the future either.

City Bin does operate a bring centre - albeit in Galway, where the company started. How do you know that they have no intention of providing them in other areas in the future?

santry_goonshow wrote:

See that's what I was thinking. So these corporates are going to undercut the Council by a couple of schillings but they don't have to provide all the specialist recycling facilities that the Council is doing. So by going with them we are threatening the provision of much needed future Green infrastructure. As I understand it thats what the Council uses the bin charges for, so we are going backwards in environmental terms just because of greed!

What is your point? Why would a privately-owned waste recovery company be obliged to fund local authority infrastructure?

greatgoal wrote:

spot on santry,also if you keep an eye on these guys,green,brown and black bin waste are all being collected by the one truck,therefore wasting peoples time who seperate their rubbish into seperate bins,as far as i can see its all a profit making con and totally contravenes waste laws.

What laws?

santry_goonshow wrote: »

Can the Council not just hammer them, or at least fine or force them to open bring centres. Is it true the same gang that are behind the M50 tollbooth are behind these companies?

Oh, FFS - just use the council bring centres. Or do you want one on every street corner? What the hell has NTR got to do with this? Are you attempting to blacken the names of the above companies by association? Neither City Bin nor Panda are owned by NTR. You are obviously thinking of Greenstar.

greatgoal wrote: »

i heard theyre involved in some way,the council are finding it hard to compete with these guys because people only see a cheaper price,which is understandable,but at the end of the day ,if the council pull out,all the recycling centres will close,leaving the private companies to take the brunt of our rubbish and then we will see their true colours as other counties did ie more rubbish to collect,higher charges,just look at drogheda,12euro bin tag and 4.50euro green bin.

Sensationalist claptrap.

All told, you both made some faily sweeping statements & unfounded allegations there folks & not a lot to back any of it up. If either of you had bothered to take a quick look through the links that I posted for Goonshow yesterday you would have been able to do your own fact-finding. But where's the fun in that, eh?

greatgoal

Hill Billy wrote: »

City Bin does operate a bring centre - albeit in Galway, where the company started. How do you know that they have no intention of providing them in other areas in the future?

What is your point? Why would a privately-owned waste recovery company be obliged to fund local authority infrastructure?

What laws?

Oh, FFS - just use the council bring centres. Or do you want one on every street corner? What the hell has NTR got to do with this? Are you attempting to blacken the names of the above companies by association? Neither City Bin nor Panda are owned by NTR. You are obviously thinking of Greenstar.

Sensationalist claptrap.

All told, you both made some faily sweeping statements & unfounded allegations there folks & not a lot to back any of it up. If either of you had bothered to take a quick look through the links that I posted for Goonshow yesterday you would have been able to do your own fact-finding. But where's the fun in that, eh?

not much fact in those links,only advertisments and speaking of senationalism,well wow what a post..lol.

The Hill Billy

greatgoal wrote: »

not much fact in those links,only advertisments and speaking of senationalism,well wow what a post..lol.

Personally, I'll be staying with Fingal Co Co for my waste management & I have no intention of using a private operator. What I find objectionable though are the baseless allegations & innuendo made in this thread about the private operators.

And what, may I ask, is sensationalist about my post? I asked a few simple questions & pointed out a few facts.

* looks under virtual sofa for the agenda that's hidden around here somewhere *

greatgoal

Hill Billy wrote: »

Personally, I'll be staying with Fingal Co Co for my waste management & I have no intention of using a private operator. What I find objectionable though are the baseless allegations & innuendo made in this thread about the private operators.

And what, may I ask, is sensationalist about my post? I asked a few simple questions & pointed out a few facts.

* looks under virtual sofa for the agenda that's hidden around here somewhere *

and what was sensationalist about mine?i also pointed out a few facts.

Moonbeam

I have noticed that some houses keep their bins out the front and now that there is 3 they are nearly as wide as most of the houses.Do other people think that this looks really ugly?Also,they take up half the sidewalk so there isn't much room for buggies or even people to walk by them.
Some houses don't have back gates so can not bring them in to their gardens or even have space at their back walls for them.
I am not suggesting people should bring them through their houses either as well that's not so nice either,I just wondered is this another issue with the way they planned "legoland" and other such places?
Even a communal shed type place like apts have would be cleaner,healthier and more aesthetically pleasing.

santry_goonshow

Hill Billy wrote: »

Personally, I'll be staying with Fingal Co Co for my waste management & I have no intention of using a private operator. What I find objectionable though are the baseless allegations & innuendo made in this thread about the private operators.

And what, may I ask, is sensationalist about my post? I asked a few simple questions & pointed out a few facts.

* looks under virtual sofa for the agenda that's hidden around here somewhere *

You are the sensationalist HillyBilly because accusing people of having an "agenda" on discussion threads completely fails to address the reason why discussion boards exist at all (but I must be careful because there's a lot of mediocrity around). Anyway just accusing people of doing what you yourself can't resist is itself outrageous.

So just to re-iterate whats being said here because you clearly DONT understand. My brother is studying in the DIT. Recently they had a conference on waste where some speakers from overseas expressed concern over the way in which Local Authorities in Dublin are funded (or not funded) to deliver green infrastructure. Basically Local Authorities have to build, and maintain bring centres, bottle banks and the Oxygen service, the brown bin service out of the Black bin waste charges. When they set out their budgets every year the waste charge has to include an estimate of how much is needed to do all that PLUS the cost of the regular black bin service. The way the Govt is going they are allowing all these private operators in who don't have to put the money towards ANY of these things except the pickup. So they undercut the 4 Councils charges and pocket the money as profit. On one hand I'm saying fair play to them. On another hand I can see people lobbing more waste into the cheap black bin at the cost of the environment.

Or maybe thats it, you are one of those people who think the Environment is a non-issue?

The Hill Billy

• Thanks for clarifying the situation.
• Who are you though to accuse me of not being environmentally aware? The environment is not a "non-issue" to me. Far from it. Posting baseless allegations is.
• All I suggested was that you posted without providing any backup.
• The fact is that not all private waste companies are baddies. They are out to make a buck. Big deal.

santry_goonshow

Hill Billy wrote: »

• Thanks for clarifying the situation.
• Who are you though to accuse me of not being environmentally aware? The environment is not a "non-issue" to me. Far from it. Posting baseless allegations is.
• All I suggested was that you posted without providing any backup.
• The fact is that not all private waste companies are baddies. They are out to make a buck. Big deal.

• You are welcome
• Ok, maybe not unaware, but ambivalent like so many others... anyway "baseless allegations" this is where ppl are finding you sensationalist. We were discussing whats happenign in relation to recycling. These companies are NOT (FACT FACT FACT) providing bring centres. Local Authorities are TOTALLY (FACT FACT FACT) funding these centres out of your black bin charge. That accounts for the few schillings in the difference.
• "Out to make a buck" isn't automatically a "baddy" according to anything we've said. We've said we are concerned that nobody is regulating how that buck is made - thats what you elect people to do, the job of Government. Remember? It is a big deal if it reduces the level of waste being recycled... surely this is obvious

The Hill Billy

santry_goonshow wrote: »

• You are welcome
• Ok, maybe not unaware, but ambivalent like so many others... anyway "baseless allegations" this is where ppl are finding you sensationalist. We were discussing whats happenign in relation to recycling. These companies are NOT (FACT FACT FACT) providing bring centres. Local Authorities are TOTALLY (FACT FACT FACT) funding these centres out of your black bin charge. That accounts for the few schillings in the difference.
• "Out to make a buck" isn't automatically a "baddy" according to anything we've said. We've said we are concerned that nobody is regulating how that buck is made - thats what you elect people to do, the job of Government. Remember? It is a big deal if it reduces the level of waste being recycled... surely this is obvious

Goon - I am not "ambivalent" about the environment either. Get the hell off your fcuking high horse.

Private are not providing bring centres. So what? The council provides them. Use council centres.

Local authorities are not funding these centres - the tax-payers are (FACT FCUKING FACT FACT FACT!). The tax-payers who also have the right to spend their hard-earned euro on private waste collection.

What started out as a sensible thread has now indeed turned in the sort of trash that should be black-binned. Definitely not recycled.

Chinafoot

Hill Billy wrote: »

What started out as a sensible thread has now indeed turned in the sort of trash that should be black-binned. Definitely not recycled.

Agreed.

Reign it in lads.

santry_goonshow

Recycling that which should not be recycled and should be allowed to be expressed without ppl sticking to their point like a limpet after it wasn't accepted by anyone is TOTALLY appealing to me.

Let's start another thread sometime in the future called, "how do local authorities fund bring centres?", because it is sorely needed for those taxpayers who think we are all funding this stuff directly. TUT TUT TUT (gets down off his high-horse whose name is FACT and puts her to the stables for the night). Yawn, g-night! :cool:

greatgoal

santry_goonshow wrote: »

Recycling that which should not be recycled and should be allowed to be expressed without ppl sticking to their point like a limpet after it wasn't accepted by anyone is TOTALLY appealing to me.

Let's start another thread sometime in the future called, "how do local authorities fund bring centres?", because it is sorely needed for those taxpayers who think we are all funding this stuff directly. TUT TUT TUT (gets down off his high-horse whose name is FACT and puts her to the stables for the night). Yawn, g-night! :cool:

and thats a fact...great stuff and respect.

Chinafoot

Your back slapping would be better suited to PM tbh.

Last chance guys, reign it in or it get's locked.

greatgoal

Hill Billy wrote: »

Goon - I am not "ambivalent" about the environment either. Get the hell off your fcuking high horse.

Private are not providing bring centres. So what? The council provides them. Use council centres.

Local authorities are not funding these centres - the tax-payers are (FACT FCUKING FACT FACT FACT!). The tax-payers who also have the right to spend their hard-earned euro on private waste collection.

What started out as a sensible thread has now indeed turned in the sort of trash that should be black-binned. Definitely not recycled.

you were the only one on the high horse earlier on in this thread and for someone who is sticking with the council you seem very assured that the private contractor is a jack the lad hero out to make a fast buck,so why are you not with spending your cash on the private man?

The Hill Billy

greatgoal wrote: »

you were the only one on the high horse earlier on in this thread and for someone who is sticking with the council you seem very assured that the private contractor is a jack the lad hero out to make a fast buck,so why are you not with spending your cash on the private man?

This continues to take the thread off topic.
Well, admittedly, I didn't help the situation in earlier posts by rising to the bait.
As your mate suggested, start a "how do local authorities fund bring centres?" thread in Green Issues.
Thanks.

greatgoal

Hill Billy wrote: »

This continues to take the thread off topic.
Well, admittedly, I didn't help the situation in earlier posts by rising to the bait.
As your mate suggested, start a "how do local authorities fund bring centres?" thread in Green Issues.
Thanks.

well,it would be for your benefit.

Chinafoot

You were warned twice. Locked.