VW Touareg 5.0 V10 TDI servicing costs?

farva

I'm buying a new car in the next few months and I found a 2005 5.0 V10 TDI Touareg with 52000 miles for sale in the UK for €26,500. I'd love to have that car (just for the engine!) so I started to think about the costs... I'd say to convert it to a commercial and VRT it would cost €1000-€1500, so that would be €28000 all in. I hear that the V10 is heavy on tyres so it would cost €800 a set annually, road tax is €275 and I could probably live with 20mpg. I'm only 22 so insurance may be a problem, but it may be ok as it would be a commercial.

But I have no idea what the servicing would be like as its a 5.0 V10, I currently drive a 2.8 Pajero commercial and thats fairly heavy on servicing. But I could see a 5.0 Touareg having monsterous bills, especially if something goes wrong!!! Would anyone have any idea what kind of annual maintenance costs you'd be talking?

Cheers.

BostonB

Why?

farva

Why what? Why do I want to know what the servicing costs would be like?

BostonB

Why a Touareg 5.0 tbh. As a percentage of cost of ownership per year, what % is servicing compared to depreciation, tax, insurance.

This the plan?
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/11/22/touareg-v10-tdi-tows-a-747/

farva

Yeh, I've seen that video before, its unbelieveable!

Dunno, I'm mad into cars and like to have something a bit different. I've been driving the Pajero since I was 18 and people used to always ask me what I was doing with that. I've always thought that having the 5.0 V10 would be class, it would just have so much power and torque! I just came across that on for sale on the internet and thought to myself, how much would it cost to run!

I'd assume that an M5, M3, AMG Merc or anything with a large "specialist" engine would be costly to service and repair if anything goes wrong. So I'm just wondering if the 5.0 Touareg would be the same?

optiplexgx270

Call a VW dealer and ask them.

Stevie Dakota

Touareg and concerns about running costs don't really go hand in hand. The car has woefull reliability record and you will have big bills without doubt. An American consumer magazine I read recently had it as one of the most expensive cars in terms of ownerships costs in the US. Choose wisely.

BostonB

Ì'd say it would depend more on where and with whom you get it serviced than what you get serviced. A good independent would be the best route IMO. But I wonder if you have to consider the servicing costs, can you really afford to run one. No point worring about 1K a year on servicing if you are losing 5k or more in depreciation a year. For example.

niceirishfella

farva wrote: »

Yeh, I've seen that video before, its unbelieveable!Dunno, I'm mad into cars and like to have something a bit different. I've been driving the Pajero since I was 18 and people used to always ask me what I was doing with that. I've always thought that having the 5.0 V10 would be class, it would just have so much power and torque! I just came across that on for sale on the internet and thought to myself, how much would it cost to run!


Well - i hate to piss on the parade here on the viral but i'm not that impressed. Think of basic Physics, (pull force) = (coefficient of friction) X weight. With decent low-friction bearings for the aircraft's wheels, it is not a big deal. I think a Toyota Amazona 4.2TD would manage it too and maybe even a 2.7TD Disco or RRsport?
Anyways - just fancy pants marketing to me.

Re; The servicing - TBH - a toureg v10 engine is just an engine - like any other - and yes, garages will view it as a specialist car and invoice to that effect- but to me, its just another jeep with a big engine and servicing on them is quite standard is you stand back and think about it - I'm not saying the engine is rudi'mentary - but it still needs an oil,air,belt change like any other at service intervals.
Check out if it has a timing belt? If it does, expect this to be a real PAIN and could hit you hard (like maybe a G) for a TB change in a VAG garage when the time comes - hopefully it'll have a timing chain. If you entrust it with a good servicing specialist to do the standard routine stuff, It may only be 10 to 20% more to service routineley than your mitsi.
I would'nt be put off - they are a lovely piece of kit..........but in my eyes - if they are not with seats and windows in the back, no worth it cos if you wanna bring all your mates somewhere, you can't - but i guess you're used to this at this stage.

Best of luck.

NIF

Lex Luthor

BostonB wrote: »

..... are losing 5k or more in depreciation a year. For example.

I'd say you are being a bit conservative there with €5k

maidhc

niceirishfella wrote: »

Well - i hate to piss on the parade here on the viral but i'm not that impressed. Think of basic Physics, (pull force) = (coefficient of friction) X weight. With decent low-friction bearings for the aircraft's wheels, it is not a big deal. I think a Toyota Amazona 4.2TD would manage it too and maybe even a 2.7TD Disco or RRsport?
Anyways - just fancy pants marketing to me.

Agreed. Not very impressive at all. Didn't a few stong ment pull a boeing on tarmac before?

niceirishfella wrote: »

Re; The servicing - TBH - a toureg v10 engine is just an engine - like any other - and yes, garages will view it as a specialist car and invoice to that effect- but to me, its just another jeep with a big engine and servicing on them is quite standard is you stand back and think about it - I'm not saying the engine is rudi'mentary - but it still needs an oil,air,belt change like any other at service intervals.
Best of luck.

Agreed as well. I have a tractor with a 7.5L 6 cyl engine, and it is cheaper to service than my focus. An engine is an engine.

Unreliability and things going wrong is your only concern by the sounds of things.

Bearcat

likewise not p@ssing on your dream machine but the toureg has a woeful reliability problem. All types of sh@tty snags, like electrical, revert into get me home mode etc.

Buy a 2nd hand amazon 4.2 TD.....I have driven loads of 4x4s and this puppy just never stops. Massive comfort, would p@ss all over a RR for reliabilty and strength. Mine is chipped with a tunit....I get 28mpg in mixed driving. OK it dont have the steet cred as a v10 toureg, but it'll never let you down with that big 4.2 lump up front.

2 pals of mine bought touregs and they were traded within a year.....the feedback was just"trouble". Likewise do not buy a 2nd hand RR. Troublesome dogs also ans the 3.o litre BM engine is asmatic. The new 3.6 V8 is nice though.

Besta luck in where you go.

farva

Cheers for all the replies guys, that was the kind of information I was looking for. It was just an idea I had as I thought it would be slick to have a car with 310bhp and 550 lb/ft. But yeh, it looks like it could be a costly thing to run, especially with those reliability woes! I've had enough trouble with my Pajero, and to be honest I should really get away from commercial jeeps. I'm probably going to buy a 2006 Audi A4 2.0TDI 170bhp S-Line in August/September.

Thanks again for the replies.

Bearcat

think your doing the right thing.....also those v10 touregs are near sale proof.....very hard to shift. With the new V6 Tdi, it is right up there with the V10 with 4 more hungry mouths to feed!!

By the way....stick a tunit module into your audi. It is plug and play, you'll fit it in 10mins and IMO one the best diesel upgrades out there. No sudden jerks in the power band but tons more torque and goes like the wind. I had one in a CLS diesel and jeez was it quick. Also have one in a merc e220Cdi and it transform the car from being a plodder to fairly sporty, yet excellent fuel consumption. Having said that, 170bhp is nothing to be sneezed at.

farva

Bearcat wrote: »

think your doing the right thing.....also those v10 touregs are near sale proof.....very hard to shift. With the new V6 Tdi, it is right up there with the V10 with 4 more hungry mouths to feed!!

By the way....stick a tunit module into your audi. It is plug and play, you'll fit it in 10mins and IMO one the best diesel upgrades out there. No sudden jerks in the power band but tons more torque and goes like the wind. I had one in a CLS diesel and jeez was it quick. Also have one in a merc e220Cdi and it transform the car from being a plodder to fairly sporty, yet excellent fuel consumption. Having said that, 170bhp is nothing to be sneezed at.

Had a look at tunit there and it does look like fairly decent figures. I'd always be a bit hesitant about chipping engines. They'll get the 170bhp up to 195bhp but the torque only rises up to 280 lb/ft when the standard car has 265lb/ft (off the top of my head) so that isn't a huge increase in torque. And with 195bhp, you'd probably want Quattro!

E92

Why not a 2.0T A4, if performance is a concern? That has 200 bhp, and as we will soon see in the TT-S, that engine is good for(at least) 280 bhp. If you want a fast diesel A4 then get a 3.0 TDI from the UK, that has 233 bhp if I'm not mistaken. If you were thinking about a V10 Toe-rag then running costs are not a concern in fairness, so why buy a diesel A4 then?

BostonB

maidhc wrote: »

Agreed as well. I have a tractor with a 7.5L 6 cyl engine, and it is cheaper to service than my focus. An engine is an engine.

Unreliability and things going wrong is your only concern by the sounds of things.

Strange you'd think you'd use more oil for a start. Does a filter cost the same? Labour rates the same? How much does it cost? I thoughts Ford had a fixed price for a service?

unkel

maidhc wrote: »

Agreed. Not very impressive at all. Didn't a few stong ment pull a boeing on tarmac before?

It's called plane pull. They do it in the US for charity. I've heard of one man singlehandly pulling a large plane, but I doubt it was as big as a 747. But I suppose a couple of strong lads could

maidhc

BostonB wrote: »

Strange you'd think you'd use more oil for a start. Does a filter cost the same? Labour rates the same? How much does it cost? I thoughts Ford had a fixed price for a service?

Tractor:
It takes about 20L of oil, but mineral 10w30 and is pretty cheap. I get a 25 gallon drum and it lasts about 5 years (we have 5 machines than use it).
Labour - Do it myself, but much more accessible than the car and takes much less time.
Filter: No idea how much it costs, but €10-€15 covers it easily.

A full set of filters (e.g. for auxiliary hydraulics, fuel, transmission might cost about €80, but they only need to be changed every few years.

Car:
Oil + filter = €45 from a main ford dealer. Again I normally service it myself. Don't go near ford dealers. I was quoted €450 to get the timing belt done, my local mechanic did it for €320 all in, using genuine parts and changed the oil and filter too.

BostonB

Doesn't that contradict what you said earlier, that an engine is an engine as if there's no differences that would incur extra costs? But you now pointed out that there are differences. Difference in oil, access, labour rates, and if you'd do it yourself.

conneem-TT

E92 wrote: »

Why not a 2.0T A4, if performance is a concern? That has 200 bhp, and as we will soon see in the TT-S, that engine is good for(at least) 280 bhp.

The new TTS engine, is similar to that in the S3, it has uprated internals and a bigger turbo to get that reliable output.

But I would agree with your recommendation of a 3.0 TDI A4 Q Avant to the OP, not much difference in performance to the V10 Toureg and would definitely be easier to sell on

farva

E92 wrote: »

Why not a 2.0T A4, if performance is a concern? That has 200 bhp, and as we will soon see in the TT-S, that engine is good for(at least) 280 bhp. If you want a fast diesel A4 then get a 3.0 TDI from the UK, that has 233 bhp if I'm not mistaken. If you were thinking about a V10 Toe-rag then running costs are not a concern in fairness, so why buy a diesel A4 then?

Oh no, costs are a concern... a MAJOR concern as I'm only 22! Thats why I posted this about how much it would cost to run, I just had a theory that it could be fairly cheap to run a commercial Touareg, but I think that my theory has been proven wrong on reliability/maintenence costs.

I've got a contact in the UK car industry so I can get Audis and a few other brands at trade prices from certain dealers/manufacturers in the UK. I'm planning to go for a 170 TDI because it'll be in the 20% VRT bracket after July. I reckon that I should be able to get a 2006 2.0TDI 170bhp S-Line with heated leather and about 20k miles landed here for about €28,000(maybe less) after July. If I kept that for 2 years I could sell it on for not too much less than I paid for it. That would be a decent buy, wouldn't it?

I had thought about the 2.0T but I reckon that it would cost me more to buy due to higher VRT and it wouldn't be as easy to sell in a couple of years. And if I was going for the 2.0T, I'd nearly have to have it Quattro and that would cost even more.

BostonB

..and they say the Celtic Tiger is dead. :cool:

maidhc

BostonB wrote: »

Doesn't that contradict what you said earlier, that an engine is an engine as if there's no differences that would incur extra costs? But you now pointed out that there are differences. Difference in oil, access, labour rates, and if you'd do it yourself.

I said:

maidhc wrote:

Agreed as well. I have a tractor with a 7.5L 6 cyl engine, and it is cheaper to service than my focus. An engine is an engine.

... which it is. Not that there is much in it one way or the other. I didn't say there is no difference, just that all engines are very similar in terms of scheduled servicing whether it is in a small hatchback or a big lump of a tractor.

BostonB

maidhc wrote: »

I said:
... which it is. Not that there is much in it one way or the other. I didn't say there is no difference, just that all engines are very similar in terms of scheduled servicing whether it is in a small hatchback or a big lump of a tractor.

You can have the same engine in two different cars and it might be a pig to work on in one and easy in the other. One could incur far higher labour costs as a result. Or one engine could have a 10k schedule and the other a 20k. I'd say you'd notice that difference, doing significant mileage.

I don't see how the fact that two cheap motors are equally cheap to service, helps tbh. Or that all engines are essential the same. I would guess there are going to be significant differences in the cost of servicing a Pajero and 5.0 TDI Touareg .

maidhc

BostonB wrote: »

I don't see how the fact that two cheap motors are equally cheap to service, helps tbh.

Cheap? A decent tractor costs substantially more than a specced out 4x4.

I take the point you are making, but most cars are pretty much the same, bar maybe a few notable exceptions like the Fiat Coupe which must have its engine lifted every 40k to do a timing belt.

I know some cars like Mercs and BMWs seem to have extortionate servicing bills, but I guess someone must pay for the leather sofas in the waiting room and complimentary coffee.

cancan

The toerag is notorious for problems, and vw dealers are notorious for bad service.
A vw dealer would give you a v10 bill, even if he only changed the oil.

On the other hand, if you can afford it, go mad - enough boring cars out there.
Bring it to a good specialist, and enjoy having something a bit mad.
The A4 is boring and everone and their dog has one, so take a risk and go V10!

netopia789

i say the laber wiil be cheap per hour but the parts whant

JHMEG

A V10 diesel will have 10 glowplugs vs 4 in most other diesels.

It'll also take a huge amount of oil in an oil change.

Being a V it has 2 heads.. twice the likelyhood of head gasket trouble etc.

A V10 *will* cost you more, you can be sure of that.

maidhc

JHMEG wrote: »

A V10 diesel will have 10 glowplugs vs 4 in most other diesels.

It'll also take a huge amount of oil in an oil change.

Being a V it has 2 heads.. twice the likelyhood of head gasket trouble etc.

A V10 *will* cost you more, you can be sure of that.

Glowplugs last, i dunno, 100, 150k miles though.

I don't think there is any dispute but that repairing a v10 that goes tits up is a massive issue!

E92

If the Touareg goes wrong as much as ye say it does, given the inevitable complexity that a V10 engine that's as rare as hen's teeth brings, and running costs are a concern for the OP, then there can be only one conclusion and that is that a V10 Touareg is a complete non runner.

niceirishfella

E92 wrote: »

If the Touareg goes wrong as much as ye say it does, given the inevitable complexity that a V10 engine that's as rare as hen's teeth brings, and running costs are a concern for the OP, then there can be only one conclusion and that is that a V10 Touareg is a complete non runner.

>>>>>>>Still, but WHAT A 4x4 EHHHHH......!

JHMEG

maidhc wrote: »

Glowplugs last, i dunno, 100, 150k miles though.

Unless they get poisoned etc.

But yeah, a V10 aint gonna be cheap. May as well go for a petrol V10. Now that would be something.

farva

maidhc wrote: »

Glowplugs last, i dunno, 100, 150k miles though!

I'm going to have to disagree there, I've had my Pajero for nearly 4 years and done about 50,000 Km and i've had the glow plugs done twice!!!! I take it that they should last a hell of a lot longer than that then?

-Chris-

I would say two things make this a non-runner

a) Let us know what your insurance company think of this idea

b) Don't worry about servicing costs, the depreciation will be the MAJOR cost you incur - a UK imported V10 Touareg commercial??? It'll be absolutely sale-proof!

blog_blog_blog

A v6 240bhp can be chipped to 305bhp(Seems a big claim but check out www.p-tronic.co.uk ) In standard form the v6 is 1.. sec,s slower to 60 than than the v10 . 8.5s --> 60 v6 is still fast for a jeep! Chip it and it would fly ,combined with lower fuel consumption better deal. You will find ,offload and insure a v6 alot easier . Comm V10 dream not a hope. Wont be listed by insurance company's and they if they insure prob load policy

A4 ,s are for people with absolutely NO imagination ,,soul less reps etc ,Hate them

What colour would you like your new a4 sir?>
Hmmm let me think ,Will it be silver like my kitchen ? Black like my socks ? Hmm Or red like the missis.s lipstick?,, Oo
:mad::rolleyes:

E92

Don't see what's so bad about an A4 to be honest. No it's not the most exciting car in the world, but it is a very fine car by all accounts.

I'd have one over a Merc C-class or indeed any car in the category bar the 3 series(come to think of it, I'd rather have a lot of cars than the modern rubbish Merc produce these days!) no questions asked.

When my old man is thinking about giving up decades of Toyota ownership(now there's a car that is "for people with absolutely NO imagination" if ever there was one, they're so boring in every way possible) for a new A4 in July (now normally he is like your typical Toyota buyer, has the head stuck in the sand and goes straight to the Toyota dealer when he wants a new car and never even bothers to test drive the competition, heaven help us that he might find any of the many cars available that are not just a bit better, but miles better than a Toyota, now with customers like that, is it any wonder Toyota sell so many of the things in this country?), Audi must be doing something right!

Eoin

niceirishfella wrote: »

Well - i hate to piss on the parade here on the viral but i'm not that impressed. Think of basic Physics, (pull force) = (coefficient of friction) X weight. With decent low-friction bearings for the aircraft's wheels, it is not a big deal. I think a Toyota Amazona 4.2TD would manage it too and maybe even a 2.7TD Disco or RRsport?
Anyways - just fancy pants marketing to me.

What are the odds - someone posted the same thing on that page, only in 2006.

Not impressed. If you recall from *basic* Physics, (pull force) = (coefficient of friction) X weight. With decent low-friction bearings for the aircraft's wheels, it is not a big deal.

Another PR stunt dreamed up by clueless Marketing folks.

unkel

Oh dear!

farva

blog_blog_blog wrote: »

A v6 240bhp can be chipped to 305bhp(Seems a big claim but check out www.p-tronic.co.uk ) In standard form the v6 is 1.. sec,s slower to 60 than than the v10 . 8.5s --> 60 v6 is still fast for a jeep! Chip it and it would fly ,combined with lower fuel consumption better deal. You will find ,offload and insure a v6 alot easier . Comm V10 dream not a hope. Wont be listed by insurance company's and they if they insure prob load policy

A4 ,s are for people with absolutely NO imagination ,,soul less reps etc ,Hate them

What colour would you like your new a4 sir?>
Hmmm let me think ,Will it be silver like my kitchen ? Black like my socks ? Hmm Or red like the missis.s lipstick?,, Oo
:mad::rolleyes:

Ah I like the A4, and to be honest I have to get away from commercial jeeps with the rising cost of diesel and hving only 2 seats. If I was going for another commercial I'd go for a new Landcruiser (as Toyota is a brand that I could get on the cheap) or an X5, I had the opportunity to get a 2006 3.0d sport auto with 30k miles a month or so ago, I think that it would have worked out at something like €25,000 landed here as a commercial, I thought about it as that is a damn good price but decided that I wanted to stay away from the commercials. I was also looking at golf GTIs there yesterday and man what a car!!! I'd like to get of those but insurance is a joke for me, something like €3300!!

So I'm going to probably be a person "with absolutely NO imagination" and go for the boring old A4:D

niceirishfella

eoin_s wrote: »

What are the odds - someone posted the same thing on that page, only in 2006.

Good Moderation there Eoin...........well done. You're a credit to your anorak...:D

Eoin

niceirishfella wrote: »

Good Moderation there Eoin...........well done. You're a credit to your anorak...:D

I'm not a mod here, or even really an anorak - just able to read the same comments you did!

niceirishfella

eoin_s wrote: »

I'm not a mod here, or even really an anorak - just able to read the same comments you did!

Just messing with you Eoin.......good spot tho.......
why is Moderator under your user name if you're not a mod?

Eoin

niceirishfella wrote: »

Just messing with you Eoin.......good spot tho.......
why is Moderator under your user name if you're not a mod?

Sorry - just meant not a mod in the motors forum.

blog_blog_blog

Just thought from the way your post started off looking ,You were after something outlandish and unique A V10 toe-rag . I,m just a bit shocked to see that you now want an A4. Bland and could I go as far and say good?.. They must be if there are sooo many on the roads.


Whatever floats your motorboat.
Goodluck.

Ps I would love a V10 comm with 1 seat , Thats all you need and u dont need friends when your best new friend lives under a bonnet! V10 friend >I would bring him everywhere! And feed him chips and upgraded turbos..Aww

E92

No they haven't! Audi are using a V12 engine for the R8 TDI!

And the fastest R8 will still be a petrol. There will be a 580 bhp 5.2 V10 petrol added to the R8 in 2010.

blog_blog_blog

I just removed what I wrote about R8! .I did see an R8 in states on yahoo .And I quote . With the v10 lifted from the toureg. I will find it . Looking now!

BostonB

blog_blog_blog wrote: »

I just removed what I wrote about R8! .I did see an R8 in states on yahoo .And I quote . With the v10 lifted from the toureg. I will find it . Looking now!

Some of the Car mags have articles about that Diesel R8. Evo and Car or Top Gear. I forget which ones exactly.