Doctor Who Se 4 x 01 Partners in Crime(could be spoilers!)

Doctor DooM

So what did everyone think?

It wasn't great but wasn't tragic. I thought the big reveal was done well.

Adipose aliens where NOT good.

I like that it was noted the Doctor has changed because of Martha.

Tate only screeched when appropriate, which was good!

The Master

The aliens did look terrible , but a good episode overall.

The "Pen" that was dumped in the bin is bound to
play a part in a later episode

nothing

Loved the light heartedness of this ep.

Thought the monsters were very cute.

Can't wait for the next ep already!

Doctor DooM

Robster The Lobster wrote: »

The aliens did look terrible , but a good episode overall.

The "Pen" that was dumped in the bin is bound to
play a part in a later episode

Was thinking that myself, I originally thought the nanny thingy was going to be the Rani because of it, then I thought Donna might end up in posession of it.

Their hitting the arc early in this series!

nothing

I had the Rani thought as well, would love to see her reappear.

Absolutely loved how Rose showed up, though I also hope she's not gonna be in every episode.

Doctor DooM

nothing wrote: »

I had the Rani thought as well, would love to see her reappear.

Absolutely loved how Rose showed up, though I also hope she's not gonna be in every episode.

Ditto on the spoiler, I hope they manage to keep it subtle!

ixoy

Big "meh" from myself - the plot was very poor. The episode was too farcical, bordering on slapstick. The show can do humour, but it can be a bit more smart about it.

Typical of RTD, there was running and lots of it - the show could have been ten minutes shorter without the obligatory RTD race. Also overuse of the sonic screw-driver and magic paper. It's a very weak tool to get around poor writing and it should not have come back after its demise in the original show (for that very reason!).

Oh and Rose at the end? ARGH! It sticks in my craw - they already cheapened her departure by saying how she died (but didn't really). Now they're going one step further and I really don't like it.

Hopefully the bees disappearing will lead to an interesting arc. Whether we see the Rani this year or not, I'm not sure. Not a huge fan of her but it'd be better than forcing more Daleks on us through Davros.

On a small plus, Donna wasn't as irritating as I feared. They over-stated that there wouldn't be any romance (RTD can't do anything but explain everything in ten mile high neon expositions) but she at least reigned it in a smidgen.

Weak opener for me and after last night's Torchwood finale, it was really shown up. Hopefully next week will improve.

Doctor DooM

ixoy wrote: »

Big "meh" from myself - the plot was very poor. The episode was too farcical, bordering on slapstick. The show can do humour, but it can be a bit more smart about it.

Typical of RTD, there was running and lots of it - the show could have been ten minutes shorter without the obligatory RTD race. Also overuse of the sonic screw-driver and magic paper. It's a very weak tool to get around poor writing and it should not have come back after its demise in the original show (for that very reason!).

Oh and Rose at the end? ARGH! It sticks in my craw - they already cheapened her departure by saying how she died (but didn't really). Now they're going one step further and I really don't like it.

Hopefully the bees disappearing will lead to an interesting arc. Whether we see the Rani this year or not, I'm not sure. Not a huge fan of her but it'd be better than forcing more Daleks on us through Davros.

On a small plus, Donna wasn't as irritating as I feared. They over-stated that there wouldn't be any romance (RTD can't do anything but explain everything in ten mile high neon expositions) but she at least reigned it in a smidgen.

Weak opener for me and after last night's Torchwood finale, it was really shown up. Hopefully next week will improve.

I agree with alot of what you say, but in most sci fi, dead never really means dead. I always take it with a pinch of salt. I thought some of the humour hit and that saved the episode for me.

RTD episodes are never great. I want Stephen Moffat and Cornell back, please.

I dislike the overuse of the sonic screw driver myself. Its way to formulaic.

Speaking of formulaic, first episode new companion, second episode historical... It's looking the same again as the last 3 years!

Haven't seen the end of torchwood yet, I shall be acquiring it shortly.

ixoy

SDooM wrote: »

I agree with alot of what you say, but in most sci fi, dead never really means dead.

I should know better! Buffy should have stayed dead after S5 for example but they brought her back and 'Star Trek' and 'Stargate' were notorious for killing everyone off to bring them back in 40 minutes. But I still don't have to like it, especially when it's Rose (who I think the show spends far too much time on).

I thought some of the humour hit and that saved the episode for me.

Some of it worked - the bit where they were shouting at each other through the windows for example. Where they kept missing one another prior to that grew very tired very quickly though.

RTD episodes are never great. I want Stephen Moffat and Cornell back, please.

No Cornell this year, alas We've to a wait a little bit before we get some Moffat too. Not sure who's penning next week's.

I dislike the overuse of the sonic screw driver myself. Its way to formulaic.

Yup, which is why they destroyed it in the Great Fire of London in the original show. It was a weak way of getting around plots without having to put in much effort.

BuffyBot

It wasn't so bad - typical season-opener-new-companion fare. Light on plot, heavy on the exposition. The miming through windows was really well done.

I didn't expect much (RTD script, season opener etc) and wasn't disappointed because of that.

Had a feeling that Donna's character would mature over the time of her absense and I was right. I think it'll be a nice change to not have the assistant go googly eyed over the Doctor for once.

I'm pretty annoyed by

Rose's return

, as I've said before. It was dropped in well however here.

Doctor DooM

ixoy wrote: »

I should know better! Buffy should have stayed dead after S5 for example but they brought her back and 'Star Trek' and 'Stargate' were notorious for killing everyone off to bring them back in 40 minutes. But I still don't have to like it, especially when it's Rose (who I think the show spends far too much time on).

To paraphrase a comic I read once, "I died, but then I got better."

you're not alone on the Rose thing, but she only shot a couple of days for this series, so it cant be all about her, thankfully.

ixoy wrote: »

Some of it worked - the bit where they were shouting at each other through the windows for example. Where they kept missing one another prior to that grew very tired very quickly though.

Agreed. I loved the window bit, and I like the mate joke too, but the start was really childish.

ixoy wrote: »

No Cornell this year, alas We've to a wait a little bit before we get some Moffat too. Not sure who's penning next week's.

Noooooooooo!

If the rumours are true Moffat is getting RTD's job soon. That will be something to see. A huge pity about Cornell, Family of Blood was brilliant.

ixoy wrote: »

Yup, which is why they destroyed it in the Great Fire of London in the original show. It was a weak way of getting around plots without having to put in much effort.

And last year they kept teasing destroying it. Just to annoy you

I love sci fi plots but I am not a big fan of technobabble solving them. Blinks a great example of a good sci fi idea with a logical solution within the rules the series sets itself.

Jack B. Badd

SDooM wrote: »

RTD episodes are never great. I want Stephen Moffat and Cornell back, please.

A definite +1 from me on this. I've always found RTD to be an unimaginative, mediocre writer tbh (and preoccupied with making sure all those special effects they've paid for get used wherever is (un)feasibly possible).
I also get the distinct impression from Confidential that kissing his ass on a regular basis is a requirement for keeping one's job on the show :rolleyes:

I'm dying for a decent Stephen Moffat episode. Can't wait!

Doctor DooM

Jack B. Badd wrote: »

A definite +1 from me on this. I've always found RTD to be an unimaginative, mediocre writer tbh (and preoccupied with making sure all those special effects they've paid for get used wherever is (un)feasibly possible).
I also get the distinct impression from Confidential that kissing his ass on a regular basis is a requirement for keeping one's job on the show :rolleyes:

I'm dying for a decent Stephen Moffat episode. Can't wait!

In RTD's defense, he is running the entire show. Can't be easy to bang out the scripts when he has this and Torchwood to keep going.

All the more reason for him to let people who have nothing else to disturb them to write the scripts!

thusspakeblixa

ixoy wrote: »

Big "meh" from myself - the plot was very poor. The episode was too farcical, bordering on slapstick. The show can do humour, but it can be a bit more smart about it.

Typical of RTD, there was running and lots of it - the show could have been ten minutes shorter without the obligatory RTD race. Also overuse of the sonic screw-driver and magic paper. It's a very weak tool to get around poor writing and it should not have come back after its demise in the original show (for that very reason!).

Oh and Rose at the end? ARGH! It sticks in my craw - they already cheapened her departure by saying how she died (but didn't really). Now they're going one step further and I really don't like it.

Hopefully the bees disappearing will lead to an interesting arc. Whether we see the Rani this year or not, I'm not sure. Not a huge fan of her but it'd be better than forcing more Daleks on us through Davros.

On a small plus, Donna wasn't as irritating as I feared. They over-stated that there wouldn't be any romance (RTD can't do anything but explain everything in ten mile high neon expositions) but she at least reigned it in a smidgen.

Weak opener for me and after last night's Torchwood finale, it was really shown up. Hopefully next week will improve.

+1.. I was left quite dissapointed. Hopefully next week shall be better.

Jack B. Badd

SDooM wrote: »

In RTD's defense, he is running the entire show. Can't be easy to bang out the scripts when he has this and Torchwood to keep going.

All the more reason for him to let people who have nothing else to disturb them to write the scripts!

Well, in that case he should step back from the writing side of things for the good of the show. It's not like he's contributed anything of substance after the second season.

ixoy

Jack B. Badd wrote: »

Well, in that case he should step back from the writing side of things for the good of the show. It's not like he's contributed anything of substance after the second season.

+ 1/0! The man's ego though is huge given the show's success and he can't help but contribute to what he sees as his success. I wish if he must right he'd just do the X-Mas specials which are more suited to the frivolous, run-around-the-place-yelling stories that he specialises in.

Doctor DooM

ixoy wrote: »

+ 1/0! The man's ego though is huge given the show's success and he can't help but contribute to what he sees as his success. I wish if he must right he'd just do the X-Mas specials which are more suited to the frivolous, run-around-the-place-yelling stories that he specialises in.

Not going to hear an argument from me on that one. Would make for a better series overall.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

well, it was doctor who.. which was nice

marginally better than just staring at text on an irc window for 40m, but not by much.

monkeyfudge

Just back from the pub and watched it now....

I'm surprised it's been so well recieved here...

I thought it was horrible... Tate was more obscene on every level than my I could have thought of in my wildest imaginations...

The fat story could have been potentially interesting, if it wasn't for the horrible acting and scripting and direcing..

Will you kids let me know if I miss a good episode somehow? As I really won't be tuning in next week for more of this bullsh*t.

Oh and I read the russell t davies interview in SFX this month... he doesn't seem to think people on the internet know how to write... and as such don't have a clue about good television.

Jack B. Badd

monkeyfudge wrote: »

Will you kids let me know if I miss a good episode somehow? As I really won't be tuning in next week for more of this bullsh*t.

Moffat is writing episodes 8 & 9 so they're probably guaranteed to be the best of the bunch. You'll have another few weeks to wait methinks...

deRanged

monkeyfudge wrote: »

I thought it was horrible...

as did I. I really hope it picks up, but I can't see how given the cast (i.e. Tate).

Doctor DooM

deRanged wrote: »

as did I. I really hope it picks up, but I can't see how given the cast (i.e. Tate).

If Moffats writing 8 and 9, thats when the series will pick up.

popebenny16

I thought it was ok and it handled the fact that the doctor was not happy on his own, that Donna wasn't at all interested in him, and yer wan's return well enough for a first show. Usually these things have to be a bit smash bang, but I'd have thought that by the fourth RTD Season they could be confident enough that they dont have to open with a silly one.

That said, Donna is shaping up as a good character, she stopped shouting half way through the Runaway Bride, and she has a nice and nasty turn of phrase (as when she reminded The Doctor about the last load of Children he encountered with her) not to mention her describing him as a long slice of nothing.

Problem i have is that, forget Daleks, Cybermen, Raini, and all that, there's no doubt that this season is all about the return of Rose (RTD's first character for Who remember), and given that the first show always has a pointer about the season arc I guess this might have been it, although i liked the bees idea better....

So will it all end in tears, given that RTD is probably hanging up his hat and the show is going on a TY next year.... will we have that oft anticipated Martha/Rose/Doctor soap opera two parter at the end whilst Donna rolls her eyes and wishes she was back with Lance.....?

Sadly, there is nothing in the grapevine as there was last year, to give rise to anticipation.

Edit to add:

I really don't like the publicity shots of Martha looking like she's been in a Japanese porn flick, but I'm sure someone in the BBC has a reason for it.......... and as for Rose, Mrs Popebenny pointed out to me that she is in charge of Torchwood in the parallel Earth, guess that's how she makes it back...

pixelburp

I enjoyed this far more than I thought I would, what with the monster being... well, cute (Despite being made of fat). It was funny light fluff & there's suggestions the overall tone with darken from here on in.

It's worth noting that ALL the season openers have been frothy, lightweight, "comedy" episodes, so I wouldn't worry too much.

daithi_student

deRanged wrote: »

as did I. I really hope it picks up, but I can't see how given the cast (i.e. Tate).

jeepers, alot of people seem quite willing to write off the whole series on the basis of Catherine Tate being cast! i thought the 1st ep was very enjoyable! the chemistry between tennant and tate was evident from the moment they saw eachother across the hostage situation (which was in my opinion an hilarious scene!).
i also think that having an assistant who doesn't follow the doctor around like a puppy will give the series a nice twist.
I think everyone should stop and think that russell t davies and co. do know what there doing, we have 3 brilliant series of doctor who that kinda prove it...!:D
i'll admit it if im wrong but id say in 12 episodes time alot of ye be agreeing with me!
That turned into a bit of a rant, Sorry!
Bring on episode 2!!!:)

Jack B. Badd

daithi_student wrote: »

I think everyone should stop and think that russell t davies and co. do know what there doing

Be alert, you're country needs lerts! Better yet, be a sheep and put up with substandard writing/scripting/direction/production by RTD and co.

On a more serious note though, I think Dr Who deserves the criticism it receives given how much the standard fluctuates between episodes.

daithi_student

yes,yes there are writing fluctuations and the like but on the whole it is a well written series which i'm sure you can agree with seeing you obviously watch the show and why would you watch a badly written series?! as for substandard direction and production i really cant see where your coming from! am i wrong? have series 1-3 not been highly entertaining?

Jack B. Badd

daithi_student, by fluctuations I mean that there are highs and lows - it's not badly written in its entirety but a lot of the episodes don't live up to my standards regarding good writing (especially those written by RTD). I continue to watch it because the good episodes make it worth my while although after season 3 I think I'll do a bit more research into who writes and directs the upcoming episode before I decide to watch it when it airs.
As for 3 highly entertaining seasons, seasons 1 & 2 had more highs than lows imo but most of season 3 (barring in particular the episode written by Moffat) wasted my time. The repeated unnecessary use of characters (e.g. Daleks, pigs, Ood) in past seasons, substandard CGI (those little adipose things were ridiculously basic even for what were meant to be blobs of fat), awkward scripting especially between The Doctor and Donna this week; all of this is substandard as far as I'm concerned because with a little more creativity they could have created much more engaging episodes.
Tbh, I think the greatest issue that Doctor Who has at this time (apart from RTD's ego) is that there's too much money in it in comparison to older seasons - I know I've just slated some of the CGI in this week's episode but I find that CGI is often the lazy, expensive option and is overused in shows like this. Creativity has been replaced by a big budget. I honestly think a lower budget might contribute to the high creativity of the likes that we've seen in older seasons.

pixelburp

Jack B. Badd wrote: »

Be alert, you're country needs lerts! Better yet, be a sheep and put up with substandard writing/scripting/direction/production by RTD and co.

On a more serious note though, I think Dr Who deserves the criticism it receives given how much the standard fluctuates between episodes.

It's the nature of the beast though - the show lacks an overall plot arc from episode to episode, which means you are always going to have a potentially extreme difference in tone between adventures. doubly so when you have Dr. Who fans writing for the show ( I mean, put 2 fans in a room and it'll soon turn into an argument of who was the best Doctor). It's not like the precedent isn't already there with previous years' "goofy" first episodes.

Two things I was not looking forward to with Saturdays episodes:
a ) Catherine Tate
b ) The "cute" monsters

The monsters ended up working within the context of an ostensibly comedic episode (that was indeed funny), and Tate's acerbic character was a breath of fresh air after Rose and Martha's doe-eyed lusting after the Doctor. Hell, I enjoyed her character and liked her immensely. Which coming from someone who HATES Catherine Tate's comedy show (and I mean HATE with a capital 'H'), is saying something.

Stark

Gah.

Awful awful awful awful. Running. Awful awful awful awful. Soniccing. Awful awful awful awful. Running. Awful awful awful awful. Sonic screwoff. Running. Soniccing. Running soniccing.

You get the jist.

I want those 48 minutes of my life back.

I must remember to check who wrote the episode in future and not bother watching any RTD episodes.

Stark

daithi_student wrote: »

yes,yes there are writing fluctuations and the like but on the whole it is a well written series which i'm sure you can agree with seeing you obviously watch the show and why would you watch a badly written series?! as for substandard direction and production i really cant see where your coming from! am i wrong? have series 1-3 not been highly entertaining?

Season 1: Top notch entertainment.
Season 2: Lacked some of the finesse of Season 1 but still highly entertaining.
Season 3: Rubbish barring the 3 excellent episodes by Cornell and Moffat.

daithi_student

Jack B. Badd, we're act more on the same page than i thought! i agree that there are episodes with writing that does match the up to the overall standard of the show, "daleks in manhatten" springs to mind... but i must say i've enjoyed most of RTDs episodes i mean "doomsday" was excellent!

However the point i was originally making was that this series should not be judged on peoples preconceptions of Catherine Tate! who i think is proving to be quite a good actress!

p.s you do make a very interesting point about how the budjet effects the series!:D

daithi_student

Stark wrote: »

I must remember to check who wrote the episode in future and not bother watching any RTD episodes.

So you wont be watching the series finale then?

Stark

I might ask to see what people thought of it. I enjoyed the S1 and S2 finales but the S3 finale was absolute ****e. It seems to me that RTD has grown lazy with his writing. His older episodes were fun and witty, whereas the newer ones seem to be the produce of a "running, explosions, sonic screwdriver and random aliens" automatic script generator. It reminds me of South Park's critique of Family Guy with the manatees and the idea balls.

pixelburp

Stark wrote: »

Season 1: Top notch entertainment.
Season 2: Lacked some of the finesse of Season 1 but still highly entertaining.
Season 3: Rubbish barring the 3 excellent episodes by Cornell and Moffat.

Funny, I would be the opposite of that; much of Season1 I thought was rubbish; "Rose", "The Long Game", "Bad Wolf" - the biggest stinkers for me; apart from Moffat's double header I didn't enjoy the first series at all. In fact, looking back on my reaction after "Rose", it was a mixture of bafflement and sheer disappointment.

Season two was good, had some great eps, but the ending was a bit pat. The third I thought was the darkest, the most adult. The "Human Nature" stories were easily on par with anything the series, old and new, ever produced. And the concluding trilogy of episodes were drama on toast. It was also the season that got a few people I know into Doctor Who with it's more compelling stories.

Bet you'll still watch Season4 though

Stark

pixelburp wrote:

The "Human Nature" stories were easily on par with anything the series, old and new, ever produced.

Well yes, most people including myself would classify the "Human Nature" stories as the saving grace of Season 3, along with "Blink". Had those episodes not come along when they did, I wouldn't have bothered with the rest of the season. I know a few people who dropped out before that point. I thought the finale was more pantomine on toast than drama on toast.

daithi_student

Stark wrote: »

"running, explosions, sonic screwdriver and random aliens"

Don't know about anyone else but i think thats quite a good recipe to kick off the series! action action action!!! you couldn't start the series with one of moffats episodes even though they're normally brilliant! i think RTDs episodes are at the same high standards as ever!

Jack B. Badd

Stark wrote: »

...Soniccing...Sonic screwoff...Soniccing. Running soniccing.

I have to say that I lol'd when I saw the Doctor use his sonic screwdriver not only to open the office windows from the outside but also needlessly from the inside in one case where he could have just flicked the catch. That bloody screwdriver and associated technobabble have become total overkill and this episode had to be the worst - it's falling into the same trap that ST: Voyager did.

I don't mind Catherine Tate in this tbh, she's a definite improvement on Martha. I found myself liking Rose on my second watching of the first two seasons (after I found out she "died") but an attempt to bring her back is pretty annoying, it just gives the impression of a lack of a decent story arc.

daithi_student

Jack B. Badd wrote: »

she's a definite improvement on Martha.

I liked Martha! i fact the only companion who i haven't liked was Astrid Peth (if shes counted as a companion!)

pixelburp

Stark wrote: »

Well yes, most people including myself would classify the "Human Nature" stories as the saving grace of Season 3, along with "Blink". Had those episodes not come along when they did, I wouldn't have bothered with the rest of the season. I know a few people who dropped out before that point. I thought the finale was more pantomine on toast than drama on toast.

But hasn't Who always played things a little bit more OTT than most? I mean it's not like RTD is playing fast and loose with some previous show that was all dark, brooding and intense. Exise the Hinchcliffe era, which most consider the "golden" era of the classic series (in that it was the most dark, brooding and intense), and around and after that point was a fairly OTT show.

Show me how the finale of series 3 was any less pantomine than, say "The Claws of Axos" (I pick it because it highlighted how the early 70s show was totally off the charts with goofiness), or any of the late Tom Baker stories, or anything from the moment Peter Davison left, and I'll accept it. But I think there's a lot of preciousness about what Who "is".

popebenny16

I think there's way too much sonic screwdriving myself - but they are a big seller in the shops so it's not going to end soon - there's way too much running around, but it was ever thus, and yes, there is too much lazy dialogue and plotting.

I personally think that the root of it all is RTD. It's the Eddie O'Sullivan thing - no matter how energised and motivated he says he is, it is clear that, four years into it, his leadership is becoming jaded. He got his jollies with Kylie, I'm just waiting for Abba to turn up this year.

As pointed out above, this is nothing new, a lot of last years stories were not that great, and as head man and script editor he has to bear that. The series finale last year was a grood example. As I said at the time, never mind taking an established character and simply re-write his entire motiviation and history just so you can play whats in the car CD player (here come the ****ing drums indeed)..... to sort it out by pressing the reset button actually almost annoyed me. 13 weeks of building up, not forgetting the other previous Master/Saxon references, and for THAT?

As for saying that otjer shows were equally as bad, yes, true, Tom Baker spent much of his last two years taking the mick IMO, but it wasnt the show it was then that it is now. Back then it was a staple, like the two ronnies, allo allo, it was just there. Now, it is anticipated, and it is expected to be the flagship of BBC1's Saturday night schedule.

For such a show you should expect every story to be good, and with only 13 in a run, you cant waste the first one on fluff. Granted, it is still officially childrens TV, I had wondered why it was a 7pm show last year, now its 6.20..... but as blink showed last year, it is possible to bridge the gap.

God damn it, even the SJA can do it.....

Next week - Rome. Week after Ood. Lazy lazy lazy.

pixelburp

I'm actually looking forward to the Ood episode - it was an untouched element in series of why the Ood were both mind controlled by humans & a herd race to begin with.

Rev Hellfire

I think people are expecting too much from Doctor Who, I know I was.
Lets face it, this is a kids program and when taken at face value the ropey 'special' effects and ropey dialogue are fine.

My 6 year old loved the aliens in this weeks episode, if you're looking for something intellectual or profound then I'm afraid you're looking at the wrong show.

Nevyn

It was ment to be a bit of fun, not serious scifi.
It was a deligth to see Bernard Cribbins back.

Ginny

I hated it.
Catherine Tate sounded like her gran character for half of the episode, they ran for a quater of it and sonic-ed for the other quarter.
Its slowly turning into a parody of what it was, Torchwood has come on leaps and bounds this season, it seems to the detriment of DrW.
I agree with Thaedydal great to see Bernard Cribbins back:D

ixoy

Rev Hellfire wrote: »

I think people are expecting too much from Doctor Who, I know I was.
Lets face it, this is a kids program and when taken at face value the ropey 'special' effects and ropey dialogue are fine.

I don't accept that Not withstanding the fact that we've seen clear demonstrations of being able to tackle more adult storylines - Father's Day, The Satan Pit, Girl in the Fireplace, Family of Blood, Blink - we can still write quality for children without writing badly. "The Sarah Jane Adventures" is written for kids and was, for the whole, better written than this opening episode.

popebenny16

pixelburp wrote: »

I'm actually looking forward to the Ood episode - it was an untouched element in series of why the Ood were both mind controlled by humans & a herd race to begin with.

Yes indeed, my point was only that it's the same pattern of the previous seasons. I'd be very happy if the Doctor is about to free to Ood from human bondage.

Doctor DooM

Thaedydal wrote: »

It was ment to be a bit of fun, not serious scifi.
It was a deligth to see Bernard Cribbins back.

"The Satan Pit" and "Blink" are a bit of fun?

Doctor Who, apparently, in England has basically brought back the idea of a "family" program, which is watched by young and old together. The figures are huge, and I think RTD always plays to the younger element, but forgets to put in something for those of us over ten. When Who is great its incredible, and it should be sending kids behind the sofa, damnit!

Doctor DooM

popebenny16 wrote: »

Yes indeed, my point was only that it's the same pattern of the previous seasons. I'd be very happy if the Doctor is about to free to Ood from human bondage.

Agreed, that would be a great episode.

Stark

SDooM wrote: »

"The Satan Pit" and "Blink" are a bit of fun?

Doctor Who, apparently, in England has basically brought back the idea of a "family" program, which is watched by young and old together. The figures are huge, and I think RTD always plays to the younger element, but forgets to put in something for those of us over ten. When Who is great its incredible, and it should be sending kids behind the sofa, damnit!

Exactly. And as ixoy also pointed out with the Sarah Jane Adventures, fun child-focused sci-fi doesn't have to be tedious and repetitive.

markw999

The aliens were cute, especially when there was a group shot (I'm thinkin of when they're on the road) and the one in the foreground is skipping)

As for the reveal (which is spoilered already so I won't repeat); the shivers that went down my spine.

Tate is better than I expected and there's less shouting (which is a good) but just a bit more less would be better.