iphone versus n96

snoopy12

anyone have any opinion as to which is better the iphone or the nokia N96. basicalli what i want is a good camera, mp3, wifi, maybe a phone etc in one unit. i know the n96 hasnt been releaed here yet but wondering whether i should just wait for that (seems to have a good camera) or bite the bullet and get either an itouch (no camera) or an unlocked iphone.

su_dios

Iphone is great for everything except the camera. So if you want a good camera look elsewhere

Doctor DooM

If you are not too pushed about the phone, get an iPod touch (its not called an iTouch, by the way) and get a 5 mp camera phone as well. Best of both worlds.

I have my n95 and love it but I don't have a secondary camera, so thats whats putting me off the iPhone.

Tom Dunne

snoopy12 wrote: »

anyone have any opinion as to which is better the iphone or the nokia N96. basicalli what i want is a good camera, mp3, wifi, maybe a phone etc in one unit. i know the n96 hasnt been releaed here yet but wondering whether i should just wait for that (seems to have a good camera) or bite the bullet and get either an itouch (no camera) or an unlocked iphone.

Have you actually bothered to compare the specs of the N96 vs. the iPhone?

There is no comparison.

GTC

Tom Dunne wrote: »

Have you actually bothered to compare the specs of the N96 vs. the iPhone?

There is no comparison.

the Iphone is pathetic next to the N96. Just on specs alone it blows it out of the water!

Doctor DooM

I thought the Op was talking n 95, I must have had a brainectomy today.


Purely on specs, the Nokia has it. But then again, the iPhone is about ease of use, not pushing the envelope specs wise.

massivemagumbos

the iphone is massive compared to the ipod touch. its a total joke of a product, a massively impressive operating system and possible the most intuitive use of the human hands since the keypad phone was first invented, but apple, in the quest for profits and hype, will release the iphone in a series of unlinked hardware upgrades which will make u buy the iphone, then v2, for 3g, then v3, to make it slimmer, then v4 for a better camera. Shame on Apple for being on the edge of consumer technological innovation, yet holding back for the thirst of a high bank balance.

I've got the N95 and the Ipod touch. Both 8gb. Does me fine and won't be bundled into one device by apple for a good 2-3 years.

Creamy Goodness

erm i'm sorry so what, should apple not improve their product at all?

you mention these series of unlinked hardware upgrades like it's only apple that are doing them.

every technology company does them from apple to zyxel (modem manufactuer just used for the z in the name).

i can somehow see how you come to this conclusion because other mobile manufacturers like to show off a new phone 6-12 months before it goes retail, whereas with apple most of their products go on sale almost instantly or within 2 months of announcement.

cdebru

It ruins a good conspiracy theory but the reason apple did not make the iphone 3G was simply down to battery life the 3G chipsets available when apple was developing the iphone were very heavy on battery power anyone who had a motorola V3X can testify to that for example.

As for the iphone being huge the two are the same size except the phone is about 4mm thicker than the touch

Creamy Goodness

cdebru wrote: »

It ruins a good conspiracy theory but the reason apple did not make the iphone 3G was simply down to battery life the 3G chipsets available when apple was developing the iphone were very heavy on battery power anyone who had a motorola V3X can testify to that for example.

As for the iphone being huge the two are the same size except the phone is about 4mm thicker than the touch

but... but they both have the same massively impressive operating system so they should be the same size, i don't care if the iphone has extra chips built in like bluetooth or a mobile aerial i want my 4mm off my iphone godamit.

</endsarcasm>

cdebru

Cremo wrote: »

but... but they both have the same massively impressive operating system so they should be the same size, i don't care if the iphone has extra chips built in like bluetooth or a mobile aerial i want my 4mm off my iphone godamit.

</endsarcasm>

I suppose to some people 4mm is huge

Tom Dunne

massivemagumbos wrote: »

the iphone is massive compared to the ipod touch. its a total joke of a product, a massively impressive operating system and possible the most intuitive use of the human hands since the keypad phone was first invented, but apple, in the quest for profits and hype, will release the iphone in a series of unlinked hardware upgrades which will make u buy the iphone, then v2, for 3g, then v3, to make it slimmer, then v4 for a better camera. Shame on Apple for being on the edge of consumer technological innovation, yet holding back for the thirst of a high bank balance.

It's really sad to see so much ill-informed drivel being posted by so many people.

cdebru wrote: »

I suppose to some people 4mm is huge

ROFL.

xanthor

cdebru wrote: »

....anyone who had a motorola V3X can testify to that for example.

A

Their pre 3G phones weren't exactly energy efficient either. *Horrible flashbacks*

BostonB

In fairness this is how Apple has always done business. So people shouldn't be surprised. Its also a business model that has brought Apple from the brink. Give you 80% of what you want in a desirable package then keep incrementally upgrading it. Often dropping support for the oldest products as they go.

The lack of features compared to other phones, and its high price is whats keeping me away from the iPhone at the moment.

flywheel

BostonB wrote: »

[Apple] Often dropping support for the oldest products as they go.

how is Apple any different to other companies in this regard, as the warranty period expires for discontinued products real-time support is curtailed.

it's not fully "dropped" though as they keep their online repository available, when ever i've needed files or manuals for an old / legacy Apple product i've always found what i need on their site

just that this week, even though the Newton was dropped 10 years ago, I was still able to download the manuals and software i needed to get one up and running again... i think that's pretty good 'support'

BostonB

I don't mean support as in ringing up for help or warranty support.

I mean they introduce new products which aren't compatible with their older products, case in point being the new iPod Classic having a different dock than their previous version. Where they didn't support Legacy Macs with OS X when it was possible to do so. Hence 3rd party hacks like XPostFacto. Things like that.

4Xcut

I personally do not have either of them but i will say why i think the the N96 would be better for me if I was buying it.

1)Battery is replaceable by user without having to send the phone away and will cost less.

2)Better Internet connectivity.

3)Although the touch-screen keyboard is good, i still prefer using the physical keypad you get on the Nokia, even if it is only the standard num-pad. I tried an iPhone for a while and am more comfortable with the actual key-pad.

4)There are a lot of little extra features on the N96:output video to tv, headphone jack is not awkwardly recessed, better camera, can take extra memory in the form of memory cards.

5)Apple have openly said that the battery will not last long(something less than a year). Now, most chargeable batteries do not last for years and years on end but do last a bit longer then this and also see point one again.

6)With the iPhone you must decide between a contract with O2 or unlocking it and voiding the warranty.

To compare these two products is not really fair to either of them to be honest as they are too different. They are aimed at different people.

flywheel

BostonB wrote: »

I don't mean support as in ringing up for help or warranty support.

I mean they introduce new products which aren't compatible with their older products, case in point being the new iPod Classic having a different dock than their previous version. Where they didn't support Legacy Macs with OS X when it was possible to do so. Hence 3rd party hacks like XPostFacto. Things like that.

still can't see how you single out apple specifically for this, e.g. nokia and sony ericsson have changed ports for data/accessories and power over time...

as for running OS X on a "legacy" machine... i was impressed you could get an OS 9 iBook G3 from 1999 running OS X you don't see MS supporting legacy hardware with their latest OSs either... and in terms of mobile devices - firmware / OS updates for devices have an end date also...

i just didn't think it was fair to single out Apple for "dropping support" as you put it when that's what happens with "older products" provided by big consumer electronics companies

BostonB

DubWireless wrote: »

still can't see how you single out apple specifically for this, e.g. nokia and sony ericsson have changed ports for data/accessories and power over time...

as for running OS X on a "legacy" machine... i was impressed you could get an OS 9 iBook G3 from 1999 running OS X you don't see MS supporting legacy hardware with their latest OSs either... and in terms of mobile devices - firmware / OS updates for devices have an end date also...

i just didn't think it was fair to single out Apple for "dropping support" as you put it when that's what happens with "older products" provided by big consumer electronics companies

Just as well I didn't single Apple out then, isn't it.

My point was , Apple love a fast buck from forced obsolescence same as everyone else. They are past masters of it.

su_dios

http://www.iphonefreak.com/2007/07/iphone-vs-nokia.html

Good review of the iphone vs n95. The iphone wins but if you read the comments you'll see someone has done a very detailed review of it also. They're too different to be compared but the iphone could do with better hardware.

Tom Dunne

su_dios wrote: »

http://www.iphonefreak.com/2007/07/iphone-vs-nokia.html

Good review of the iphone vs n95. The iphone wins but if you read the comments you'll see someone has done a very detailed review of it also. They're too different to be compared but the iphone could do with better hardware.

Ah, how in God's name could the iPhone win? I can't view the video here in work, but it has to be incredibly one-sided.

How can you compare a fully featured, multi-purpose smartphone like the N95 with an Ipod that makes phonecalls?

And I lurve my iPhone, but there is simply no comparison.

su_dios

Tom Dunne wrote: »

Ah, how in God's name could the iPhone win? I can't view the video here in work, but it has to be incredibly one-sided.

How can you compare a fully featured, multi-purpose smartphone like the N95 with an Ipod that makes phonecalls?

And I lurve my iPhone, but there is simply no comparison.

I'd agree too!... Its an american review though. Most of them have never heard of mms before.

flywheel

BostonB wrote: »

Just as well I didn't single Apple out then, isn't it.

My point was, Apple love a fast buck from forced obsolescence same as everyone else. They are past masters of it.

well in the context of the thread (nokia and apple) your apple specific post looked like you singled them out to me

you entitled to your opinion, i disagree as i find their support far better than the likes of Nokia

Arathorn

I have an n95 and i'd swap it for an iphone, im holding out for a 3g iphone though. The n95 camera isn't all its cracked up to be, its good in daylight but the flash at night time is awful and I have to tell people not to move too much to avoid blurry shots. I use opera mini but ive tried the iphone browser and its a lot nicer to use. N95 battery life is terrible and its scratched to bits already after only a few months. Oh and the double sliding is pointless, does anyone actually use the multimedia buttons?

Saying all that its still the best phone i've ever owned.... so far

theCzar

I think i'll get the N96 when it comes out provided the price is not too extortionate on a modest contract, I'm working with a S-E k800i at the minute, and its been a good servant, but i want the latest in flashy AND functionality.

For me the N96 wins every battle except style.

Besides, I dislike Apple's hegemony and I'll always have a warm place in my heart for Nokias, the 6110 was best phone i ever had. 1 colour screen, no camera just slim, light, elegant and a battery that lasted a week with heavy use. sigh.