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Bendihorse

Its on tonight at 7pm, anyone going?

Im trying to pick a stallion for my mare Mandi, shes half KWPN, half sporthorse (3/4 TB 1/4 ID)

I need to breed in a bit of height as shes a bit on the small side herself, she has great pop so i would like something scopey to complement that, but with a good temperment.

Shes by Radolin.

The stallions im looking at are mostly Warmblood of some type or another, like Lux z and Ramiro Z, VDL Douglas, Luidam was another one... Does anyone have any experience of offspring from these stallions that they could recommend? I have yet to see any of them in the flesh but it would help to narrow down the search if anyone has experience of them and their offspring?

Im also not opposed to breeding to an irish sporthorse stallion with ID in its lines, im just not that familliar with whats available out there at the moment so anyone with suggestions, feel free to throw them my way...

TY in advance!

Sheena.

napoles

There are a lot of Lux's around the country at the moment. He was REALLY popular for a while. Of some of the Warmbloods standing in Ireland, he seems to be breeding quite nice temperaments. In my personal experience and anecdotally, that has been a bit of a problem with some warmblood/ Irish crosses so far - they tend to be a bit quirky and need riding. The Lux's don't seem to be over big though.. the ones I've seen anyway, apart from one out of a big mare.
If you are keen on the warmbloods, I've seen some nice O.B.O.S Quality horses, in FEHL and showing. Seem to be brave, nice-looking and with a good jump.
Personally, as well as trad Irish, I really like the Selle Francais breeding. Harlequin Du Carel has bred some lovely types.
The Irish Horse Board's Achievements brochure is a good place to look at results of Irish Bred horses competing at home and abroad. Obviously, a lot of these are mature horses, so the stallions might not be available any more, but you might still see some interesting statistics.
www.irishhorseboard.com

Ballynoe Castle RM by Ramiro is doing well eventing in the US too by the way. Still only 7 and doing 3 star as far as I know with Bruce Davidson Jnr. Was a nice looking horse too.

Bendihorse

Thanks Napoles, ill look through the IHB site...

Lux Z looks like a great choice alright and like you said his prodgeny are doing great things on the circut at the moment, but im afraid the market might become saturated with Lux Z horses and their value drop as a result, whats your opinion on that?

napoles

Bendihorse wrote: »

Thanks Napoles, ill look through the IHB site...

Lux Z looks like a great choice alright and like you said his prodgeny are doing great things on the circut at the moment, but im afraid the market might become saturated with Lux Z horses and their value drop as a result, whats your opinion on that?

I don't think that will be too much of a problem if your mare produces a nice foal.

If there are a lot of Luxes out there, chances are a few of them will do very well and the breeding will get a good name as a result. The danger is that because he was so popular, he may have been getting some crap mares as well as good ones. Obviously, this isn't the stallion's fault, but the foal is only as good as both parents.

The only other thing to bear in mind is that (as far as I have seen) a lot of the Luxes out are with professionals who would be well able to manage sharper horses. In my experience warmbloods can be that bit sharper, so maybe coupled with your mare's breeding, you might end up with something that would need a bit more work than if you went to an Irish Draught for example.

Obviously, these are just my personal opinions and I have only written about stallions that I have seen and heard good things about. Keep doing the research and definitely visit the horse board site, so you can find out about the different progeny from stallions that you are interested in.

togster

Hey OP you already know my view on this i know we crossed a cavalier mare with Ricardo Z who is in the same stud as Lux i think We found the stud very good to deal with!!

If i were you i'd go irish!!

napoles

togster wrote: »

Hey OP you already know my view on this i know we crossed a cavalier mare with Ricardo Z who is in the same stud as Lux i think We found the stud very good to deal with!!

If i were you i'd go irish!!

I'd say you got something talented but lively out of that cross did you?

togster

napoles wrote: »

I'd say you got something talented but lively out of that cross did you?

Oh jesus was he a hardy *insert expletive her* He was beautiful though! But a hard nut! At that time it was very fashionable to breed with warmbloods. We had another foal. A master imp, very small and unimpressive.

Have a guess which one actually evented the best?! The master imp is doing her first 2* season soon and the Ricardo Z is still a moody tempermental little *insert empletive here* !!

napoles

Thought so!
Mind you, a really high proportion of the line up in the Supreme Hunter Championship at the RDS last year was Ricardo Z's. Must have been some sort of record.

Master Imps are seriously nice. You can nearly always spot one too - pretty horses. Is yours eventing in Ireland?

Bendihorse

Mandis like her grandsire master imp, same as your foal Togster, shes small! Wouldn't call her unimpressive, shes got her fathers good looks and her temperment is pretty good she was very fidgity at the start as a youngster but shes way more settled and sensible now thank god, the more she got out to shows, hacks, hunts etc the better she got... Maybe its a master imp thing but mandi gives me the impression that if you build a bond with her she would try her heart out for you!

Your right Togster, Id say ill have to go irish in order to get the height back into the foal and she probably has enough WB in her as it is... I wouldn't be breeding a foal to keep it, would hope to sell it on in the sales as a jumper.

togster

napoles wrote: »

Thought so!
Mind you, a really high proportion of the line up in the Supreme Hunter Championship at the RDS last year was Ricardo Z's. Must have been some sort of record.

That is actually an interesting point! What are warmbloods doing in a Hunter class? I "tried" to hunt one before. Loopy and stupid. Im generalising here! He was 17.2 ex "showjumper" who had been soured but he had an amzing jump. When a horse went in front of him he would stand up and wave at the horses in front of him!!:)

napoles

Bendihorse wrote: »

Mandis like her grandsire master imp, same as your foal Togster, shes small! Wouldn't call her unimpressive, shes got her fathers good looks and her temperment is pretty good she was very fidgity at the start as a youngster but shes way more settled and sensible now thank god, the more she got out to shows, hacks, hunts etc the better she got...

Your right Togster, Id say ill have to go irish in order to get the height back into the foal and she probably has enough WB in her as it is... I wouldn't be breeding a foal to keep it, would hope to sell it on in the sales as a jumper.

Grange Bouncer is producing some nice ones?
I guess there's the possibility you might end up having foaling problems if you went to a full draught with her if she's small?

togster

Bendihorse wrote: »

Mandis like her grandsire master imp, same as your foal Togster, shes small! Wouldn't call her unimpressive, shes got her fathers good looks and her temperment is pretty good she was very fidgity at the start as a youngster but shes way more settled and sensible now thank god, the more she got out to shows, hacks, hunts etc the better she got...

Your right Togster, Id say ill have to go irish in order to get the height back into the foal and she probably has enough WB in her as it is... I wouldn't be breeding a foal to keep it, would hope to sell it on in the sales as a jumper.

Oh i know she's far from unimpressive!! I just have such an affinity with the irish horse having had several bad experiences with warmbloods. By the way what heigth is she??

togster

napoles wrote: »

Grange Bouncer is producing some nice ones?
I guess there's the possibility you might end up having foaling problems if you went to a full draught with her if she's small?

What a nice horse he is!!

togster

napoles wrote: »

Master Imps are seriously nice. You can nearly always spot one too - pretty horses. Is yours eventing in Ireland?

Well she's not mine anymore but yes she is based in tipperary i think!

napoles

togster wrote: »

That is actually an interesting point! What are warmbloods doing in a Hunter class? I "tried" to hunt one before. Loopy and stupid. Im generalising here! He was 17.2 ex "showjumper" who had been soured but he had an amzing jump. When a horse went in front of him he would stand up and wave at the horses in front of him!!:)

Yeah, they really wouldn't be for the muck and splatter of the hunting field.
The RDS are stopping all non irish breds competing in the hunter classes now (but that will still include horses out of warmblood stallions bred here).

I actually came up with a class about 3 years ago which was held at a show down here for purely Irish Bred Hunters. They had to only have TB/ ID breeding. It was very popular and I thought and still do, that it's important that the traditional Irish breeding (ID TB crosses) doesn't get lost, because that's what this country is famous for producing - not warmbloods.

Bendihorse

Ahh theres a question!! Haven't put a stick on her in a while and theres no doubt shes put on a bit of a growth spurt lately, her wither has gotten really high... Id hazard a guess at 15.3hh.

Ill attach a pic & vids for you napoles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTePcnea7zE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n40JpLQztso&feature=related

togster

^^^

So true. What a good idea!!

napoles

She's very pretty and actually looks a bit like her daddy too if you visit the Belmont House site! I'm afraid Youtube is blocked at work, so I won't be able to see the vids.
Why are you putting her in foal do you mind me asking? She's just starting her career isn't she?

napoles

togster wrote: »

Well she's not mine anymore but yes she is based in tipperary i think!

I'll keep an eye out for all Master Imps out of Cavalier Mares in the one and two stars then! There's a few Munster events coming up over the next few weeks.

togster

Just did some PI work there! Milchem Clover Imp!!

Bendihorse

Shes not really going to have a career as such, I bought her predominatly as a breeding mare, it turned out that shes a good jump in her too so i planned on competing her this season with the aim of hopefully qualifying her for Millstreet or the RDS. I was only going to have her jumped professionally for one season so she was a proven mare, take a foal off her and mess about a bit on her myself inbetween.

Dont want her in foal full time or anything. Shes already had a foal taken off her when she was a baby although that was a mistake. (she wasn't in my care at the time)

Iv thought it through many times and i would love not to put her in foal and leave her jumping till she reaches her full potential but in all honesty, i cant afford to pay for training for her indefinatly and shes standing me quite a bit already.

napoles

togster wrote: »

Just did some PI work there! Milchem Clover Imp!!

Oh yeah, - she's done really well!! She's not still in Dublin then?

napoles

Bendihorse wrote: »

Shes not really going to have a career as such, I bought her predominatly as a breeding mare, it turned out that shes a good jump in her too so i planned on competing her this season with the aim of hopefully qualifying her for Millstreet or the RDS. I was only going to have her jumped professionally for one season so she was a proven mare, take a foal off her and mess about a bit on her myself inbetween.

Dont want her in foal full time or anything. Shes already had a foal taken off her when she was a baby although that was a mistake. (she wasn't in my care at the time)

Iv thought it through many times and i would love not to put her in foal and leave her jumping till she reaches her full potential but in all honesty, i cant afford to pay for training for her indefinatly and shes standing me quite a bit already.

Ah, I see where you're coming from. That sounds like a good plan alright. If she could get a few good results under her belt this year, it would be really worth breeding her to something nice. Irish might be the way to go then, cos you should end up with something more versatile, who might do as an Eventer or Show/Working Hunter instead of purely showjumper?
Best of luck with it anyway - keep us posted on what you go with!
I need to scoot off now and do some work before my P45 lands on my desk!

Bendihorse

Just been looking at bahrain cruise and also chippison, Maybe crossing her with a half bred irish sport horse would be the way to go... Im not sure that she would be able to foal a P.B. irish draft what with her being so small herself.

napoles

Chippison is fab!! Saw Marie Burke doing a demo on him at Clonshire and he was brilliant and such a great character. Loved him. Just remember you will still have the warmblood what with him being by Cavalier!
There's also Coolcorran Cool Diamond? Robert Splaine's? He's by Glidawn Diamond, so half Draught anyway. Saw a lovely little horse by him on the FEHL circuit a few years ago and he wasn't over big.


(I know! I'm meant to be working!:o This Boards stuff is addictive...)

Bendihorse

Ya im aware of the Warmblood in chippison but hes got good solid draft in his other side so might be a good complement to Mandi as i dont really want to go full draft with her until i see her first foal and judge from there, she may not be able to foal a full draft what with her size... Do you know anything of his temperment or his prodgeny? Iv googled him but didn't find much.

There are so many lovely Diamond bread horses out there but fortunatly or unfortunatly she already has strong diamond lines on her dams side so dont want to inbreed!! (all too easy to do in this country)

fits

Bendihorse wrote: »

Do you know anything of his temperment or his prodgeny?)

He seemed like a real pet on nationwide if thats any help. He's a lovely horse.

Good luck with your choice. Interesting thread btw.

napoles

Only thing with Chippison is that he's not Approved or S1 or S2, because they have no breeding recorded for his dam... Marie Burke spoke of her frustration that they weren't able to get him approved for this reason, but it's going to be a definite drawback for a breeding stallion to only have half of his breeding recorded...
With regard to his temperament, he seemed fab when I saw him at Clonshire, full of life and energy, throwing big exuberant bucks after popping a little crosspole, but when he knuckled down and concentrated over the bigger stuff, he was amazing. I loved him, thought he seemed to have a super temperament and was really happy in his work.
Some stats of his performance record..

Chippison is a 14 year old Irish Sport Horse stallion by Cavalier Royale (HOLST). Under the guidance of Irish rider Marie Burke, he has achieved more and more success on the showjumping circuit over the past few years. One of Chippison’s most prestigious accolades is being the second highest ranked Irish Sport Horse in the WBFSH Showjumping Rankings 2005/2006.

In 2006, Chippison was successfully campaigned at prominent shows throughout Europe, including Lummen CSI***, Madrid CSI****, Vimerio CSI***, Lisbon CSIO****, Lummen CSIO***** and Dublin CSIO*****. Most impressively he was the highest placed Irish Sport Horse at the World Equestrian Games in Aachen.

togster

Hey napoles, you might know this answer! Of all Clover Hills offspring, is there one which stands out from the rest in regards to that sires personal performance and performance of his offspring?

Anyone ever heard of able albert? I used to ride one, and he was a stubborn talented fella!

napoles

Hey Togster
I think Carling King must be one of his most famous offspring. He showjumped internationally with Kevin Babington in America until he was retired in a big ceremony last year.

Mind you, Clover Hill seems to feature somewhere in the breeding of a huge amount of the top competition horses coming out of Ireland. I think it’s fascinating to look through results and see which stallions had the most influence throughout the years.

Hugh Knows, who is eventing in America was by Able Albert. I nearly went to see an Able Albert horse to buy last year, but I think he was too far away. That’s my only experience of him. He’s dead now isn’t he?

johnny_g

did anybody go to this parade....>>>>????

See the Irish Sport Horse Board has issued a new list of all approved stallions for '08.....

http://www.irishsporthorse.com/publications/stallion_books.628.0.100059.0.p.html