Correct procedure

Anna23

I was wondering what is the correct procedure for the following incident. This morning I have received an email ( this is not the first one and I am sure it will not be the last) regarding a mistake I made very simple one, just accepted something that should have been rejected nothing major. anyway i get an email from a work colleague who is in the same position as i am, not my senior nothing (he just licks up to the boss) and he says to me you have made a mistake keep an eye on this, and i said well we did have problems with this system before so maybe we are having issues again. i said to him it happens no problem, but i would expect my supervisor to tell me not you as you are not my boss, i sent this in an email that basically read " i would appreciate this to come from my supervisor not you. and he said he was adv by the manager to info the staff about the mistakes they make. my question is, is the manager correct in delegating the job to a member of staff who isnt even a supervisor considering the fact that we have one and the supervisor should address me not him considering the fact he has no idea how to approach a person?

AARRRGH

It's a bit weird alright.

Just be careful of your responses. Don't admit anything in e-mails. It might come back to bite you in the ass!

seamus

Never confront a co-worker about their conduct. Say it to your boss.

I see no problem in the boss delegating the "look for mistakes" work to a subordinate and allowing them to inform others of their mistakes. However, the person looking for mistakes shouldn't be chastising co-workers, just letting them know which things need correcting.
If there's chastising to be done, the boss does it.

Anna23

I did not admit to anything but i know for a fact that you are not allowed to tell one of the staff to tell another member of staff what to do, if you have a problem advise managment and they will deal with it, thats what I have learned in college. its jsut that he addresses people in a very vulgar and he thinks he is my boss, and today in the canteen during the break we had a bit of a verbal fight in front of a people, but he called me names i called him names and so on, thats not the problem though the 2 of us do that all the time, and i dont really blame him he is ok, i am just upset with managment that they are to lazy to bother with adressing this issue and getting their little spies to do the dirty work for them!

seamus

Maybe you need to stop thinking of your bosses as "teachers" and other colleagues as "spies".

Often management will designate team members as being more "senior" and technically in charge when the boss isn't around, even though they aren't management. Again, nothing majorly wrong with this, provided that the team knows that this is the case.

Don't get involved in spats. If someone can't be professional in the workplace with you, just ignore them. Walk away.

Anna23

Ive been the most senior person here, i have been here longer then him anyway and i know what to do I just dont get on with the boss for some reason he hates my guts, as they are boys they always talk about football and women, i dont know, but honestly there are 2 ppl in here who are 2 faced! when teh boss isnt here they talk about them and when they hear that someone else says something bad about the boss they tell the managment, I do stay away from them, i just dont appreciate this coming from him who isnt even my boss and i made this clear to him, to stop acting as he is my boss as he isnt.

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Anna23 wrote: »

I was wondering what is the correct procedure for the following incident. This morning I have received an email ( this is not the first one and I am sure it will not be the last) regarding a mistake I made very simple one, just accepted something that should have been rejected nothing major. anyway i get an email from a work colleague who is in the same position as i am, not my senior nothing (he just licks up to the boss) and he says to me you have made a mistake keep an eye on this, and i said well we did have problems with this system before so maybe we are having issues again. i said to him it happens no problem, but i would expect my supervisor to tell me not you as you are not my boss, i sent this in an email that basically read " i would appreciate this to come from my supervisor not you. and he said he was adv by the manager to info the staff about the mistakes they make. my question is, is the manager correct in delegating the job to a member of staff who isnt even a supervisor considering the fact that we have one and the supervisor should address me not him considering the fact he has no idea how to approach a person?

there is no problem with it, as in your manager is allowed to do it. there is no issue there. but i know what you mean about having a colleague who is on the same level as you question your work. we have all worked with one (if not more) of those eejits. there is nothing more annoying than someone who takes it upon themsleves to correct their fellow staff members, especially when they are not even senior staff themselves.

perosnally i would say to your manager that you find your colleague's approach very condescending and unprofessional and that you dont feel that at this stage in your position you need a babysitter. that you dont mind the manager brining something up with you as you know he has the experience but you dont feel this guy does. just dont make it sound like you have a problem with authority or that you are jealous that he has been giving this slight elevation of power. if you know you are better than this guy at your job, then you could play him at his own game and start licking the managers ass as well and you should find yourslef passing him by very quickly, but that is sort of like selling your soul.

i would agree with dublindude about not admitting to anything in email, even if you know you did something wrong. your man sounds like the kind of person who would hold on to something like that and sting you at a later stage. one thing that is always the same about those type of people, they will hang you the first chance they get. never, ever trust them. because all they ever think about is how to get ahead, and they dont care who they screw over on the way.

Johnmb

Anna23 wrote: »

I did not admit to anything but i know for a fact that you are not allowed to tell one of the staff to tell another member of staff what to do, if you have a problem advise managment and they will deal with it, thats what I have learned in college. its jsut that he addresses people in a very vulgar and he thinks he is my boss, and today in the canteen during the break we had a bit of a verbal fight in front of a people, but he called me names i called him names and so on, thats not the problem though the 2 of us do that all the time, and i dont really blame him he is ok, i am just upset with managment that they are to lazy to bother with adressing this issue and getting their little spies to do the dirty work for them!

Without knowing the specific details, what you have described is fairly common practice. If there is a clash of personalities, then you should go to human resources to solve the matter. But if your only problem is that you don't like the fact that management don't tell you of any errors you've made personally, then you're going to have many problems. In a business of any size, management don't do this unless the error was very serious (or unless they like to have complete control of everything). I have often had to tell people of things they have done wrong, and how I want them to fix them, despite the fact that I was not their manager, and in a number of cases they were in a more senior position in the company than me. But ultimately, my job was to check for certain things and flag them if they went wrong. Most people within the company would have been very pissed off with me if I'd gone to the managers instead of them!

Anna23

Oh I am no jelouse nothing like that, i am only here until end of may i have been in this company for the last 3 years and i am getting a bit booooored, but i just dont appreciate the way he addressed me in an email and when i asked what the problem was he refused to show me. I dont know what else to do this isnt the first time i had a problem with him. He actually said to me just because you are doing a HR degreee doesnt mean you know everything and i said well I defo know that u should not approach me the way you did and i am not comfortable with him telling me what i did wrong considering it was not major at all and we havent lost anything actually we made money. anyway he is my bosses best friend and he is so far up his a ss that you can barely see his legs, and i actually said that to him! what pissed me off was that he cc my supervisor when i said i'd rather find this out form my boss not you as u have no experience in approaching me.

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Anna23 wrote: »

Oh I am no jelouse nothing like that, i am only here until end of may i have been in this company for the last 3 years and i am getting a bit booooored, but i just dont appreciate the way he addressed me in an email and when i asked what the problem was he refused to show me. I dont know what else to do this isnt the first time i had a problem with him. He actually said to me just because you are doing a HR degreee doesnt mean you know everything and i said well I defo know that u should not approach me the way you did and i am not comfortable with him telling me what i did wrong considering it was not major at all and we havent lost anything actually we made money. anyway he is my bosses best friend and he is so far up his a ss that you can barely see his legs, and i actually said that to him! what pissed me off was that he cc my supervisor when i said i'd rather find this out form my boss not you as u have no experience in approaching me.

well him referring to you thinking you know everything becuase you are doing a HR degree sounds like he is actually jealous of you. that he knows you will be qualified and going off to a professional career and he will be left sitting exactly where he is. and obviously kissing the managers ass is the only chance he will have of getting out of the position he is in.

i completley understand where you are coming from. i cant stand little twats like that. as i said before, i have worked with plenty of them in my time and they never get any easier, if anything they frustrate you more. i dont miss working in a team situation like that where there is constantly uneccessary power struggles by idiots who nominate themsleves as senior staff memebrs, even though they are the same level as you and draw the same salary. they are the ones that send pointless emails out to all their team memebrs about nothing and CC the bosses in on the mail. in fact you could probably add up how much of a twat he is by how many managers he has CC'ed in on a pointless email,
1-2 managers CC'ed = twat
2-3 managers CC'ed = super twat
3-4 managers cc'ed = grande twat

Anna23

You have just describe how things are in here ..... i thought that when working in a team you are meant to help each other not put each other down! i didnt speak to him for the rest of the day, and I know my supervisor knows that but she hasnt said anything to me yet, actually she is just acting normal, nothing different! what annoyed me even more was he sent those emails to his other friend here and made fun of me in the canteen and i just exploded!