is the gaa getting to be a very dirty sport???

Archebald

just wonderin who ye think are the dirtiest teams regardless og the gaa..
the monaghan vs dublin match really was a very bad show of the gaa.
referee are alson not being consistent enough wen it comes to using there cards and they really will have to step it up

kaimera

Now now, it's a hell of a lot better than it used to be.

Back in the day there would have to be blood and lots of it for anything to be done, same as lot of sports tbqh.

I'd rather not turn this into a country bashing thread.

GalwayDub2

Which is EXACTLY what it will turn in to!:rolleyes:

kaimera

GalwayDub2 wrote: »

Which is EXACTLY what it will turn in to!:rolleyes:

I was thinking people could discuss the thread title perhaps?

smashey

kaimera wrote: »

I was thinking people could discuss the thread title perhaps?

Agreed.

GAAman

kaimera wrote: »

Now now, it's a hell of a lot better than it used to be.

Back in the day there would have to be blood and lots of it for anything to be done, same as lot of sports tbqh

Thats a matter of opinion, i would much rather it was more physical a game like it was back in the day, as a player there is little as frustrating as the game stopping every two minutes because some shíthead wantin to be ronaldo dives and rolls around on the ground like he has been shot

One of the things i love bout All Ireland Gold on tg4 is the physicality of the game watching the lads in the 70's and 80's take 15 boxes to the head without so much as a step out of their stride before knocking a point over the bar

jackbhoy

GAAman wrote: »

Thats a matter of opinion, i would much rather it was more physical a game like it was back in the day, as a player there is little as frustrating as the game stopping every two minutes because some shíthead wantin to be ronaldo dives and rolls around on the ground like he has been shot

One of the things i love bout All Ireland Gold on tg4 is the physicality of the game watching the lads in the 70's and 80's take 15 boxes to the head without so much as a step out of their stride before knocking a point over the bar

I agree about the diving, its a scourge and hope GAA clamp down on it before it gets to levels it has reached in soccer. Retrospective bans using video evidence is only way imo.
Think people tend to look back at 70s/80s through rose tinted glasses alot though, sure there were lots of hardmen who gave good hard and fair hits but there were a lot of thugs too, look at any GAA Gold game on TG4 and see elbows and kicking people on ground etc that took place, some of it was disgraceful and if it happended today those guys would get 6 month bans.

GAAman

jackbhoy wrote: »

I agree about the diving, its a scourge and hope GAA clamp down on it before it gets to levels it has reached in soccer. Retrospective bans using video evidence is only way imo.
Think people tend to look back at 70s/80s through rose tinted glasses alot though, sure there were lots of hardmen who gave good hard and fair hits but there were a lot of thugs too, look at any GAA Gold game on TG4 and see elbows and kicking people on ground etc that took place, some of it was disgraceful and if it happended today those guys would get 6 month bans.

I agree with pretty much everythin you said there jackbhoy there were thugs right enough but the majority were fair players who gave as good as they got.

And its not just the diving thats a problem these days its the "Christian Brothers" tactics of dragging a players arm down across their necks with them and the player gets a yellow for a "high challenge"

As for the rose tinted glasses i watch these games (no matter who is playin) and if anything i wish i could have played then cos as i see it the game was ALOT fairer in those days then it is now

solskjaer20

GAAman wrote: »

And its not just the diving thats a problem these days its the "Christian Brothers" tactics of dragging a players arm down across their necks with them and the player gets a yellow for a "high challenge"


Agree 100% with that, its pisss me off and everyone knows exactly whats going on, but refs give a free against the player not in the wrong almost always.
:mad:

2Scoops

Of course, if everyone just played by the rules, there wouldn't be a problem.

lorweld

2Scoops wrote: »

Of course, if everyone just played by the rules, there wouldn't be a problem.

In a perfect world maybe!! But the truth of the matter is inconsistency is reffing is a major problem. A lax ref will be criticised for not keeping a good level of discipline in a game while a ref who sticks rigoursly to every rule ie stopping play every few minutes for "soft" frees ruins a good game imho. A ref needs to judge each indivdual case on its own merits. I agree jackbhoy video reffing may be the way to go? Other than that I don't know how the gaa can solve this problem a happy medium needs to be reached.
As to is the gaa getting to be a very dirty sport I really don't think so I feel it has cleaned up alot, too much maybe????

kaimera

I think the reffing and disciplinary proceedings are pretty poor compared to other sports like soccer or rugby. Guys get off scot free or thru some loophole that will require a congress vote to close. Seriously wtf?

The older games were more of a mans game, back when players chewed thru a bucket of spuds before every game :pac:
Too many nancy boys and just out and out dirty players in the game atm.

I don't mind a hard hitting player, but its the underhanded stuff that I'd class as utter dirt; kicks on the ground for eg.

Tazdedub

I don't think the game has gotten to dirty but it has got a lot more cynical. Infact I would say that in the old days the harder hitting games were a lot better and more exciting than the cynical stuff that goes on now. I know that players are told to foul players to prevent them scoring or setting up a score.

I think what needs to change though is this appealing against suspensions that is done by every county. If a player is sent off then they should accept their suspension, if you are going to break the rules then expect the punishment. Where a player is sent off in error then and only then should their be an appeal. I am sick of hearing of players getting out of suspensions due to some obscure footnote on page 999,999 of the rule book or taking it to the high court.

blackbelt

People don't seem to realise that it is not the responsibility of the referee to make sure a game is a free flowing game...that is the responsibility of the players.People who know a lot about refereeing or are in the refereeing circle know this all too well.

As for diving,I think this problem has been very apparent coming through this decade from 2000 - present.Although I don't want to single out any counties,Armagh,Tyrone and Meath had been guilty of this and to a much lesser degree Monaghan but there is an element of it in most other counties anyway.

As for "Old School GAA Gold",I see more hard hitting in hurling than I do the football.Nobody wants to leave a field of play missing some teeth,having a broken jaw,nose or black eye.Back then,the whole notion of it being a mans game was overemphasised and the matches were more free flowing due to less stoppages but it was by no means better football in my opinion.

Discipline is a big issue in the games now.GAA and soccer are never going to have the same level of sophistication as rugby.Also in club GAA you'll find that hurling players are more sedate than the football players.Hurling players are more concerned about the skill of the game and their game rather than hurting the opposition or diving.Speaking with a top official here in Dublin,he backed the point up by saying "Hurling players are in a different class than football players".

As for criticising the referees,its all well and good to disagree with his decisions etc but nobody realises how bloody tough it is to call the correct decisions ten times out of ten.No referee will ever be perfect but referees do become better with experience.Collina is recognised as the best referee in the World and I don't hear anybody disputing that but I am sure that even he has had bad games.

People can also give out about the referees carding system.The tick/blackbook will be abolished in time and soon it will be yellow/red card only.I think if fans were to get on the field of play or take up refereeing they'd have a completely different view on things.So cut them some slack.

lorweld

blackbelt wrote: »

People don't seem to realise that it is not the responsibility of the referee to make sure a game is a free flowing game...that is the responsibility of the players.People who know a lot about refereeing or are in the refereeing circle know this all too well.

As for diving,I think this problem has been very apparent coming through this decade from 2000 - present.Although I don't want to single out any counties,Armagh,Tyrone and Meath had been guilty of this and to a much lesser degree Monaghan but there is an element of it in most other counties anyway.

As for "Old School GAA Gold",I see more hard hitting in hurling than I do the football.Nobody wants to leave a field of play missing some teeth,having a broken jaw,nose or black eye.Back then,the whole notion of it being a mans game was overemphasised and the matches were more free flowing due to less stoppages but it was by no means better football in my opinion.

Discipline is a big issue in the games now.GAA and soccer are never going to have the same level of sophistication as rugby.Also in club GAA you'll find that hurling players are more sedate than the football players.Hurling players are more concerned about the skill of the game and their game rather than hurting the opposition or diving.Speaking with a top official here in Dublin,he backed the point up by saying "Hurling players are in a different class than football players".

As for criticising the referees,its all well and good to disagree with his decisions etc but nobody realises how bloody tough it is to call the correct decisions ten times out of ten.No referee will ever be perfect but referees do become better with experience.Collina is recognised as the best referee in the World and I don't hear anybody disputing that but I am sure that even he has had bad games.

People can also give out about the referees carding system.The tick/blackbook will be abolished in time and soon it will be yellow/red card only.I think if fans were to get on the field of play or take up refereeing they'd have a completely different view on things.So cut them some slack.

Good points there blackbelt, that I take on board. I understand how hard a job the referee has, often thankless, but I'm sure the majority of referees would welcome training on a national level on the standarisation of rules. Meh maybe I'm wrong. I also feel that eferees should have more input into rule changing..
But one other thing that makes my blood boil in the area of discipline is when a player gets sent off (this actually happened very recently) the manager patting the player on the back on shaking his hand. Surely if the management isn't trying to encourage discipline on the field the referees job is alot tougher.

blackbelt

lorweld wrote: »

Good points there blackbelt, that I take on board. I understand how hard a job the referee has, often thankless, but I'm sure the majority of referees would welcome training on a national level on the standarisation of rules. Meh maybe I'm wrong. I also feel that eferees should have more input into rule changing..
But one other thing that makes my blood boil in the area of discipline is when a player gets sent off (this actually happened very recently) the manager patting the player on the back on shaking his hand. Surely if the management isn't trying to encourage discipline on the field the referees job is alot tougher.

Agree 100% with what you said and I know the case you are refering to.I was disappointed to see that at the time but was more angry at what he did to get sent off.I think seminars for mentors and managers is imperative.I once had a team mentor encouraging us to tug/pull the jersey if our man got away from us.This sh1t comes from junior football all the way up and makes a referees job harder once this mentality is put into players head by mentors.Mark Vaughan should be clever enough to learn his lesson and what he doesn't need is Pillar patting him on the back unless its for something like to console a player who feels sh1t about what he did.

Listening to a program there on RTE Radio 1,referees have said that they have had matches where they re-considered to go on or not due to bad experiences.Assault on referees is a problem that must be looked at too.Theres a certain Dublin Club suspended as a result of this.

I think the point that it has turned cynical and not dirty is spot on.The system will never be perfect but it is up to the GAA,County Boards,Referees,Club delegates,mentors and players to make it a really fair system.

I can understand from the point of view of the fan and the referee.People shout abuse because the emotions run high and yes even at club level but this is all taken on board by the referee I can assure you.Syl Doyle did not do a good job of Dublin v Monaghan and he got booed off the pitch and an escort but nothing more happened.On reflection,he may think he could have handled the job better and referees do reflect after games sometimes.

It is a thankless job sometimes if not most of the time but without these great people who give up their time and take on the task,the games can keep developing.I like to think that the most important person on the pitch is actually the referee.

lorweld

Just wondering do referees get paid for each match not trying to criticize I think they should!
Sorry for being off topic.

GAAman

blackbelt wrote: »

People don't seem to realise that it is not the responsibility of the referee to make sure a game is a free flowing game...that is the responsibility of the players.

I disagree and agree blackbelt, i think the responsibility lies with both players and refs alike. Refs know that a player is actin the maggot but still will give the free i have seen many refs (this is me playin and not League/AI) tellin players to get up off the ground or be booked why dont we see this in the top flight games? Now dont get me wrong i respect refs alot (matter of fact my golden rule in life is never argue with refs and bouncers ) but i think refs are the frontline to stamp out the "soccerisms" which are not just creepin in, they are stampeeding in.

blackbelt wrote: »

and the matches were more free flowing due to less stoppages but it was by no means better football in my opinion.

Well look at it this way, if the game in this day and age was more free flowing like it was back in the day, how good would the level of football be then? I really think that given the skill of todays players plus the game not stopping every two minutes there would be alot more to the game then there is.

Actually to add another question how can you say it wasnt better football when, like i said above a player would go through two or three opposition players whackin the hell out of him and he still bangs it over the bar or between the posts?

Grudaire

lorweld wrote: »

Just wondering do referees get paid for each match not trying to criticize I think they should!
Sorry for being off topic.

Expenses (Nice at juvinile level, don't think it goes up for adults, not sure though..)

Flukey

Is it getting to be a dirty sport? Perhaps, but 31 of the counties are well behind a certain one which we all know, and that county keeps stretching that gap all the time. After all, what other county has players that start beating up their own team mates in a training session?

smashey

Flukey wrote: »

After all, what other county has players that start beating up their own team mates in a training session?

Quite a few.

flahavaj

Flukey wrote: »

Is it getting to be a dirty sport? Perhaps, but 31 of the counties are well behind a certain one which we all know, and that county keeps stretching that gap all the time. After all, what other county has players that start beating up their own team mates in a training session?

Are you refering to Meath? Because if you are then I think you're being a little unfair. Bust ups happen regularly in all training sessions at all levels, in many sports when the intensity is high and training games are being played at championship speed.

And events in Parnell Park a few weeks ago show that violence in the game is not confined to just the one county.

Another thing thats crept into the game recently, which while not exactly "dirty" per se, but equally wrong in my book is this jeering of opposition players after a score, like Donaghy to the Armagh keeper a few years back or the Dublin players to the Laois players at Croke Park last year.

An Citeog

flahavaj wrote: »

Another thing thats crept into the game recently, which while not exactly "dirty" per se, but equally wrong in my book is this jeering of opposition players after a score, like Donaghy to the Armagh keeper a few years back or the Dublin players to the Laois players at Croke Park last year.

Tbh, I just see that as the forwards getting their ow back. Backs have always and still do try to intimidate their marker, whether it be an aggressive welcome to the game or threatening to get them in the carpark after the game (I'm looking at a certain wing-back from Armagh here!). If you're willing to dish it out, you should be willing to take it when the opposing player gets the better of you. It may not be gentlemanly but that's just the way it is.