Gaeilge

Ado86

Tá a fhios agam go bhfuil Teach na nGealt aneo ar na boards, ach ní bhíonn móran ar suil ansin. Ba mhaith liom ceann a thosnú anseo (tá brón orm mar gheall ar mo ghramadach - tá mé saghas "rusty" !!)

Pride Fighter

Ni thuigim.

delta_bravo

ait mícheart

Breezer

Is í an Ghaeilge príomhtheanga na hÉireann de réir ár mbunreact, 's is polasaí oifigúil COBÁC é an Ghaeilge a chur chun cinn sa choláiste. Dá mhaith le duine Gaeilge a úsáid ar a bhfóram seo, thabhairfinn mo chuid tacaíocht leis. Ag an am céanna, caithfear cuimhniú go bhfuil a lán daoine idirnáisiúnta ag freastal ar COBÁC, 's caithfear meas a bheith againn dóibh siúd nach bhfuil Gaeilge acu - mar sin, ceapaim gur chóir postanna dátheangacha a dhéanamh.

Irish is the first language of Ireland according to our constitution, and it's UCD's official policy to promote the language. If someone wishes to post in Irish on this forum, I'd give them my full support. However, it's important to remember that a lot of international students attend UCD, and out of respect for those who do not speak Irish, I think that it would be appropriate for those using Irish to also post in English.

delta_bravo

Aontaoim leat, ach i mo thuairim nach bhfuil a lan speis ar an ollscoil, an stadas gaeilge a chur chun cinn .

I agree with you, but i dont think there is a lot of interest amongst the university to improve the status of irish. (May be a few or a lot of grammar mistakes in there)

me2gud4u

deas a fheiceáil go bhfuil suim ag muintir UCD i ngaeilge!
Dála an scéil, an bhfuil sibh chun vótáil le haghaidh Dónal nó Treasa do phost an oifigigh?!

Mé féin go pearsanta, dónal. Ceapaim go bhfuil sé thar a bheith deas agus diograiseach maidir le gach rud, hector nua bh'fhéidir!!?!Ni bheadh mo rang mar an gcéanna gan a sprid!

Breezer

delta_bravo wrote:

Aontaoim leat, ach i mo thuairim nach bhfuil a lan speis ar an ollscoil, an stadas gaeilge a chur chun cinn .

I agree with you, but i dont think there is a lot of interest amongst the university to improve the status of irish. (May be a few or a lot of grammar mistakes in there)

Bhuel, tá Oifigeach na Gaeilge ag Aontas na Mac Léinn, 's is é an Cumann Gaelach ceann de na cumainn is mó sa choláiste. Ach níl is agam má tá sách spéis ar Bhoards rud mar seo a chur i bhfeidhm.

Well the Students' Union has an Irish Language Officer and the Cumann Gaelach is one of the largest societies in the college. But I don't know if there's sufficient interest on Boards to do something like this.

me2gud4u wrote:

deas a fheiceáil go bhfuil suim ag muintir UCD i ngaeilge!
Dála an scéil, an bhfuil sibh chun vótáil le haghaidh Dónal nó Treasa do phost an oifigigh?!

Mé féin go pearsanta, dónal. Ceapaim go bhfuil sé thar a bheith deas agus diograiseach maidir le gach rud, hector nua bh'fhéidir!!?!Ni bheadh mo rang mar an gcéanna gan a sprid!

Chun an fhírinne ará, níor chualas rud ar bith ó Dónal ná Treasa. 'Bhfuil a bpolasaithe le fáil ar líne?

TBH, I haven't heard much from either Dónal or Treasa. Are their policies available online?

Ado86

An gceapann aon duine go bhfuil sé saghas aisteach go bhfuil an cailín ag iarraidh bheith an "Irish language officer" - go bhfuil a pamphléid go léir as Béarla, níl focail ar bith ann as gaeilge, ach amháin a ainm !

Tá Mé Gaeilge

Wooo tá mé chomh sásta gur thosaigh duine éigean an comhra seo agus ní mise a bhí ann.

Aontaíom libh nach bhfuill an Ollscoil ag déanamh go leor don teanga ach tá siad tar éis céim ollmhóir a thógáil le déanaí leis an Acht na dTeangacha Oifigiúla a cuireadh i bhFeidhm. Beidh a lán obair déanta air sa chéad cúpla bhliain eile.

Caithfidh mé a rá go bhfuil a bhfad níos mó imeachtaí Gaeilge thart ar champas i mbliaina ná aon bhliain eile agus is iontach an rud é- le cúnamh dé leanfaidh sé sin ar aghaidh ó neart go neart. - Ach deirfinn é sin

Agus Ado86 díreach go mbéadh tú ar an eolas rinne Treasa 2 pamphléid- ceann amhain as bearla agus ceann amaháin as Gaeilge

Breezer

Tá Mé Gaeilge wrote: »

Agus Ado86 díreach go mbéadh tú ar an eolas rinne Treasa 2 pamphléid- ceann amhain as bearla agus ceann amaháin as Gaeilge

Cá bhfuil siad seo le fáil? Ní fhaca mise iad. Seans go bhfuilim dall ach ní fhaca

irish.rugby.fan

Breezer wrote: »

the Cumann Gaelach is one of the largest societies in the college.

No its not. Not by a far shot.

Tá Mé Gaeilge

Breezer wrote: »

Cá bhfuil siad seo le fáil? Ní fhaca mise iad. Seans go bhfuilim dall ach ní fhaca

Rinne sí leath dóibh as Gaeilge- tá siad le fheicáil thart as Áras Newman

irish.rugby.fan wrote: »

No its not. Not by a far shot.

Yes it is Irish Rugby Fan- 7th Biggest Society this year- Almost 1,000 members- That's bigger than Dramsoc for example

Chomh maith le sin toghadh é mar an Cumann Gaelach is fearr sa tír an seachtain seo chaite

Also it was awarded best Cumann Gaelach in the country last week

The_Minister

You guys all know that there is an Irish language forum for you to chat as Gaeilge?
Just FYI


PS: Thank you to those who took the time to translate into English, for us from the Pale.

Tá Mé Gaeilge

The_Minister wrote: »

You guys all know that there is an Irish language forum for you to chat as Gaeilge?
Just FYI


PS: Thank you to those who took the time to translate into English, for us from the Pale.

A Mhinister, a chara

Tá díoma orm- ta gaeilge flúirseach agat féin agus níl tú ag usáid é

Breezer

The_Minister wrote: »

You guys all know that there is an Irish language forum for you to chat as Gaeilge?
Just FYI

PS: Thank you to those who took the time to translate into English, for us from the Pale.

I'm as Dublin as they come - I gave up translating into English when nobody else was bothering though.

The OP acknowledged the Teach na nGealt forum in the first post, but in any case this seems to have turned into an Irish Officer thread and my bet is it'll die in the next few days once voting's over.

It's a pity any posts in the Irish language have to be confined to the Irish forums, rather than members being able to discuss everyday issues in Irish, particularly in a University forum. The other part of me accepts the reality that it'd be confusing for most people if it happened on a regular basis.

The_Minister

It may not be fair, but personally I would consider it rude, just like it is rude to speak a foreign language in front of someone.
It is deliberately excluding them.

However, I would have no problem if enough posters are willing to speak in Irish, if certain subjects were spoken about in Irish (Ceilis etc.), just as long as no-one uses the language to circumvent the charter.
I will have to discuss it with Raphael though.


I have no idea what Tá mé Gaeilge said.

conor2007

The_Minister wrote: »

It may not be fair, but personally I would consider it rude, just like it is rude to speak a foreign language in front of someone.
It is deliberately excluding them.

However, I would have no problem if enough posters are willing to speak in Irish, if certain subjects were spoken about in Irish (Ceilis etc.), just as long as no-one uses the language to circumvent the charter.
I will have to discuss it with Raphael though.


I have no idea what Tá mé Gaeilge said.

so its english or nothing?
inclusive

Tá Mé Gaeilge

The_Minister wrote: »

It may not be fair, but personally I would consider it rude, just like it is rude to speak a foreign language in front of someone.
It is deliberately excluding them.

The Minister I'm actually dissapointed that you've compared Irish to a foreign language. You should know better. Let us not forget that Irish is the First Official Language of this country.

I accept that it is not the first official language of these boards but surely posts in our national language can not be banned.

I know we have Teach na nGaelt but what use is discussing "Irish in UCD" in a seperate forum to UCD.

The_Minister wrote: »

I have no idea what Tá mé Gaeilge said.

That year in the Gaeltacht obviously didn't do you any good!!!!!

If you are worried about moderating comments in Irish give me an email or a call and i'll gladly translate for you

Also Starring LeVar Burton

Tá Mé Gaeilge wrote: »

The Minister I'm actually dissapointed that you've compared Irish to a foreign language. You should know better. Let us not forget that Irish is the First Official Language of this country.

I accept that it is not the first official language of these boards but surely posts in our national language can not be banned.

I know we have Teach na nGaelt but what use is discussing "Irish in UCD" in a seperate forum to UCD.



That year in the Gaeltacht obviously didn't do you any good!!!!!

If you are worried about moderating comments in Irish give me an email or a call and i'll gladly translate for you

Here, here.

Cén fáth nach mbeadh sé de cheart againn ár dteanga náisiúnta a úsáid anseo? - Why shouldn't we have the right to speak our national language here?

Muna bhfuil tuiscint ag na mods ar an nGaeilge, ní mór do Mod eile a fháil, a bhfuil Gaeilge acu, chun an éileamh sin a líonadh - If the mods don't understand Irish, then another mod with Irish should be found, to fill the demand.

Deiridh le postanna dhá-theangacha. Lig dúinn Gaeilge amháin a úsáid.

Vive la Resistance. J'aime le Gaelique.
Ich Liebe Irisch.
Mensa. Mensa. Mensa. Fiat Justitia.
Tír gan Teanga, Tír gan Anam.
Is fearr bás ná náire.

(All above expressions are government approved even the ones in French, German and Latin. No translation necessary.)

Breezer

The_Minister wrote: »

It may not be fair, but personally I would consider it rude, just like it is rude to speak a foreign language in front of someone.
It is deliberately excluding them.

However, I would have no problem if enough posters are willing to speak in Irish, if certain subjects were spoken about in Irish (Ceilis etc.), just as long as no-one uses the language to circumvent the charter.
I will have to discuss it with Raphael though.


I have no idea what Tá mé Gaeilge said.

He said you've great Irish and he's disappointed you're not using it

I completely understand the concerns you have about moderating and such. While I don't think speaking Irish on an Irish website is rude or exclusive (at least not in intent) I realise that Boards.ie, while Irish, is not a State institution and therefore is perfectly entitled to set its own language policies.

However, it would be nice to be able to converse in our national language if enough people are able and willing to do so to make it worthwhile. Thank you for the positive stance you're taking towards this, it's a good start. Let us know what Raphael says. I've no idea if it will actually take off but I really would appreciate it were you to give it the chance to.

Raphael

Is mise Raphael!

Níl aon fadhb orm daoine ag caint as Gaeilge, ach tá Gaeilge uafasach orm, agus mar seo, ba mhaith liom na daoine seo caint as Gaeilge AGUS Bearla. Ansin, tá fhios agam cad a bhfuil tú ag caint leis. Tá brón orm.

I'm Raphael!

I have no problem with people talking in Irish, however my Irish is awful (see above) and so I'd like people to post in Irish AND english, so I can read the contents without the kind of difficulty reading in Irish causes me. I apologise for this inconvenience.

The_Minister

Sorry, I think that I should clarify what I meant.
I have no problem with pure Irish threads, as long as Irish-speaking posters are reporting posts that are in breach of the rules of the charter (with translations:)).
What I have a problem with is a thread beginning in english, and suddenly half the posters are posting in Irish, thereby suddenly excluding the English-speakers from the debate. This is rude in the extreme, and it means that us landlords(;)) can't respond to points made. I will not have a situation where whenever a poster wants to stop arguing with another poster, he switches languages to avoid having to make a decent rebuttel.

CaptainNegative, aside from this thread there is no evidence that there is any demand on the UCD board for the Irish language to be facilitated, and I suspect the current demand is merely the product of the contested ILO position.
If people wish to post in both English and Irish, then I have no problem (indeed, I would welcome it, this thread alone has improved my Irish).


EDIT: Actually, no, I prefer Raphael's idea. No posting without a translation.

The_Minister

Tá Mé Gaeilge wrote: »

That year in the Gaeltacht obviously didn't do you any good!!!!!

Two years actually
Never heard a word of Irish when I wet into town, which is why I am convinced that the Gaeltacht is the biggest scam going.

Breezer

Go raibh míle maith agaibh

(Surely I don't need to translate that?)

The_Minister wrote: »

Two years actually
Never heard a word of Irish when I wet into town, which is why I am convinced that the Gaeltacht is the biggest scam going.

Tá an méid sin fíor, tá a Gaeilge ag éirí níos láidire taobh amuigh den Ghaeltacht faoi láthair. É sin ráite, tagann mo chara ó Ghaeltacht Chonamara 's tá a cuid Gaeilge níos fearr ná a cuid Béarla mar bíonn sí ag caint amháin as Gaeilge sa bhaile.

True, Irish is getting stronger outside the Gaeltacht these days. Having said that, my friend comes from the Connemara Gaeltacht and speaks better Irish than English, due to the fact that she only speaks Irish at home.

Raphael

....I'll let it slide, just this once.


=p

Edit: I've also taken a look over the rpevious posts in this thread and am happy to let them go untranslated, seeing as there was no concrete rule put in place at that time and I was able out make out the gist of it and was more or less okay with the content. However anything posted after this needs a translation. Also, I now have a pian i mo chean. =(.

Tá Mé Gaeilge

Raphael wrote: »

Is mise Raphael!

Níl aon fadhb orm daoine ag caint as Gaeilge, ach tá Gaeilge uafasach orm, agus mar seo, ba mhaith liom na daoine seo caint as Gaeilge AGUS Bearla. Ansin, tá fhios agam cad a bhfuil tú ag caint leis. Tá brón orm.

I'm Raphael!

I have no problem with people talking in Irish, however my Irish is awful (see above) and so I'd like people to post in Irish AND english, so I can read the contents without the kind of difficulty reading in Irish causes me. I apologise for this inconvenience.

Ní aontaíom le sin ar chor ar bith- go háirithe leis an comhrá seo, más rud é go bhfuil an comhrá tar éis tosnú trí mhean na Gaeilge cén fáth nach féidir leis leanúint ar aghaidh mar sin. Glacaim leis nach bhfuil sé réasúnta Gaeilge a usáid gan aon bearla i gnáth comhrá ach an féidir libh eisceacht a dhéanamh don ceann seo?

I don't agree with that at all- especially with this thread, if a thread is started in Irish why can't it continue like that without the neccesity to speak English also. I understand it isn't reasonable to use Irish without English in the average thread but can you make an exception for this Irish thread?

The_Minister wrote: »

Sorry, I think that I should clarify what I meant.
I have no problem with pure Irish threads, as long as Irish-speaking posters are reporting posts that are in breach of the rules of the charter (with translations:)).

Tá sé seo réasúnta go leor- ní dóigh liom go mbeidh aon fadhbanna leis an comhrá seo ach má tá beidh mé in ann é a rá libh láithreach agus déanfaidh mé aistriúchán air. Taimid ag labhairt faoin teanga i gCOBÁC- cén fáth nach féidir linn labhairt faoin teanga sa teanga amháin.

This is reasonable enough- I doubt there will be any problems with this thread but if there is I will be able to tell you straight away and provide a translation. We're speaking about the Irish language in UCD- Surely we should be able to talk about the language in the language.

The_Minister wrote: »

Two years actually
Never heard a word of Irish when I wet into town, which is why I am convinced that the Gaeltacht is the biggest scam going.

Haha aontáiom leat i mbealach éigean faoi roinnt de na ceantair Gaeltacht, tá roinnt dóibh an-mhaith dála an scéal.
Chomh maith le sin 'An Teeacta Dála' (= The Minister:D) tá fhios agam cén Gaeltacht ina raibh tú agus ní beadh cead agat fiú dul isteach sa mbaile ar an cúrsa sin

Haha i agree with you to a certain extent about many of the Gaeltacht areas- some of them are brilliant however.
Also 'An Teeacta Dála' (= The Minister:D) i know which Gaeltacht you were in and you certainly wouldn't have even been allowed go into the nearest town on that course

Raphael

The reason why you can't speak just Irish without adding a translation is that neither me, nor The_Minister, has a good enough standard of Irish to easily read over ut made in Irish and make sure that they do not break the rules. In fact, I can't speak for TM, the only way I can do that is by looking through posts in Irish, picking out keywords, and trying to get the gist of it. And, frankly, I got enough of that shit in the leaving cert.

To sum up - I have no objection with anyone posting in whatever the hell they want, be it Irish or Ancient Sumerian. However, I or TM need to be able to read every post on this forum. If we can't read it, that's a problem. And requiring people to have translations in their post, is a good solution to that problem.

The_Minister

I'm afraid that I am going to have to retract what I said above, and +1 everything Raphael said.
We do need to be able to read everything posted here, and since both of us have poor, rusty Irish, that means we need English translations.
If you don't like it, that Siuleann go dti an Teach na Gealth, mar shé de hulé (sp?).

Besides, as I said above, there was never demand for this before, and I suspect it is just because of the election.

Oh, and I went to two different Irish colleges.

Riamfada

Проблема состоит в том, что должна быть одна общая форма коммуникации между каждым на форуме. Есть ирландский форум по правлениям для тех, которые желают объявить на ирландском языке. Открытие форума на все языки вызывает беспорядок и сегрегацию. Люди должны объявить английский язык, потому что каждый говорит на английском языке и его единственной ярмарке. Иначе просите sub UCD форум

And thats what I think because I prefer Russian than Irish.

in summary
1) irish may be the first language but its not spoken by international or many irish students
2) request a UCD Irish subform (good luck:D)
3) there is an irish forum on boards
4) posting in irish dosnt promote the language to non-irish speakers, we get it , you speak it
5) many many MANY references to a concert promoter in Russian (not really but you get the point)

G

Also Starring LeVar Burton

Grimes wrote: »

4) posting in irish dosnt promote the language to non-irish speakers, we get it , you speak it

None of us said we wan't to promote it to non-Irish speakers. We just want to be able to speak amongst ourselves with the need of a translation. Obviously, we won't get that here - back to Teach na nGealt I go.

Poll Dubh

Here are some quotes from Vexorg from a year ago in the lead up to the establishment of Teach na Gealt.

"I can see no reason why you would not post in Irish in any forum, you may not get the same response in many or get as many readers who many be able to answer your queries as you would by asking in English. You are free to discuss in Irish as in Englsh." post link

"I suggest that you try posting in the fora that interest you and see how it goes, should there be an anti-irish language sentiment, please use the report post facility, I would suggest report in english also to give mods a chance to do something." post link

The use of Irish is permitted but this right has not been exercised. I back Ado 86 & others in making a stand here.

MarkOShea

Conspoídeach!

Controversial!

Poll Dubh

I agree with Captain Negative that requiring bilingual posting is an absolutely unnecessary burden. I've no desire to write out everything twice since by posting in Irish I'm inviting replies back in the same language. If you're really interested in what I have to say then I suggest you pick up a dictionary or if there is word or phrase you can't figure out then try asking 'Cad is brí le...?" (What is the meaning of ...?)

Poll Dubh

Grimes wrote: »

1) irish may be the first language but its not spoken by international or many irish students

Whatever about students from Ireland I sincerely doubt that international students would support the suppression of our indigenous language for their sake.

2) request a UCD Irish subform (good luck:D)

No need for this - Irish and English can live side by side.

3) there is an irish forum on boards

Those who wish to discuss UCD issues come here and not to After Hours

4) posting in irish dosnt promote the language to non-irish speakers, we get it , you speak it

Posting in Irish demonstrates that it is a living language which is open to everyone to learn and take part in.

5) many many MANY references to a concert promoter in Russian (not really but you get the point)

You've got me on this one.

Raphael

If taken in context, that was from the argument for the creation of the Irish Forum. Which was then given mods who are fluent Irish speakers, and therefore able to be moderated. The_Minister and I are not fluent irish speakers. I'm closing this discussion, if you wish to take this any further, then go to either:

Feedback, where all users of boards.ie can reply to your complaint, or

Helpdesk, where only Administrators and Super Moderators can reply to your complaint