16GB Iphone Vs 32GB Ipod Touch

chilli_pepper

I am weighing up getting one of the above from the states and just wondering would anyone have any thoughts on this. I read that a new iphone will be released in June that will support 3G , would I be mad to buy an iphone bearing that in mind ? Is there a risk of bricking the phone if I try an jail break it..

aidan_walsh

Any information about the release date of a new iPhone is just pure speculation.

Oafley Jones

chilli_pepper wrote: »

I am weighing up getting one of the above from the states and just wondering would anyone have any thoughts on this. I read that a new iphone will be released in June that will support 3G , would I be mad to buy an iphone bearing that in mind ? Is there a risk of bricking the phone if I try an jail break it..

Personally I'd hold off.

From Macrumors.

The Evidence for a 3G iPhone... June 2008
There's been so much talk about the possibility of the "3G" iPhone, it can be hard to keep up with all the rumors. First of all, "3G" technology promises broadband-like speeds over wireless cellular networks. At present, the iPhone only offers 2.5G (EDGE) speeds, which means your web pages and email download at relatively slower speeds.

It's been no secret that the iPhone will eventually adopt 3G technology. When Steve Jobs first introduced the iPhone in January 2007, he specifically said (video clip) that Apple plans on making "3G phones and all sorts of amazing things in the future". The major issue that prevented Apple from incorporating 3G into the first iPhone was excessive power consumption from 3G chipsets:
We cared a lot about battery life and we cared a lot about physical size. Down the road, I'm sure some of those tradeoffs will become more favorable towards 3G but as of now we think we made a pretty good doggone decision.


Some newly announced 3G chipsets promise to address these power issues and AT&T's CEO has even said outright that the 3G iPhone is coming in 2008.

When is it coming?

The earliest evidence of the 3G iPhone came from Goldman Sachs Analysts who predicted that the iPhone would see two updates in 2008. The first minor update was predicted to be a Flash memory upgrade in the 1st half of the year. This came true in February with the release of the 16GB iPhone.

The second revision was described as "major" and was predicted to include 3G, possibly a different look, and arrive in the 2nd half of 2008. A number of reports this week appears to confirm this prediction. Hon Hai has reportedly won the contract to build Apple's next iPhone and Bank of America sources suggest that the 3G iPhone will begin limited production in May with a ramp up in June. Spanish paper Cinco Dias suggests that the 3G iPhone could debut in the Spanish market as early as May.

Finally, there was news this week that Apple has acquired trademark rights to use the name "iPhone" in Japan -- a country that interestingly has a 3G network but no EDGE network.

What do I do now?

A June release for the next iPhone falls conveniently close to Apple's Worldwide Developer's Conference which takes place from June 9-13th this year. It's possible that Apple will replace the existing iPhone with the 3G version, but it's also conceivable that the 3G version will be a high-end model, leaving the existing 2.5G iPhone in place at a cheaper price point.

Due to the mounting evidence for the 3G iPhone, we've updated our Buyers Guide to recommend against buying an iPhone at this time unless you absolutely need it. Obviously, individual circumstances may vary, but if you are an average consumer looking for the best value for the money, we recommend waiting, but understand the new version could still be (at least) 3 months off.

xanthor

chilli_pepper wrote: »

I read that a new iphone will be released in June that will support 3G ,

Unfortunately, that doesn't necessarily mean it will be available *here* in June.

Tom Dunne

The iPhone was announced in January '07, it was released here in April '08.

Using that logic, if, and it's a big if, it is announced in June '08, it will be available here around September '09.

Go figure.

Oafley Jones

Tom Dunne wrote: »

The iPhone was announced in January '07, it was released here in April '08.

Using that logic, if, and it's a big if, it is announced in June '08, it will be available here around September '09.

Go figure.

What logic???


I'd be amazed if there wasn't a simultaneous worldwide launch for the 3G model.

xanthor

Ireland has often been pushed to the back of the queue when a new phone is launched. Additionally, O2 don't exactly have much competition on the iPhone.

Even if the 3G iPhone was *released* in June, i'd be sceptical about seeing it here before the Autumn. Only time will tell of course.

chilli_pepper

thanks for the replies folks , I think I will stay clear of the iphone for now. A bit silly investing in technology that you KNOW is going to be outdated very soon. I wonder will the non 3G iphones drop in price when the 3g one is launched....

Tom Dunne

chilli_pepper wrote: »

A bit silly investing in technology that you KNOW is going to be outdated very soon.

You can say that about every single piece of technology. There is always something better around the corner.

When the 3G version comes out, there will then be a 3.5G version under way. When that's being sold, there will be an 80gig version being developed. When that is ready, there will be a WiMax version....... and so on.

chilli_pepper

just that in this case around the corner is very very near :rolleyes:

richieg

I was thinking about this myself and whether or no the 3G version will be launched internationally or not.
In 1 view Apple have not launched the iphone in many markets therefore it should be fairly easy to launch it everywhere at the same time and Europe is where 3G is more popular.
O the other hand Apple has a habit of launching first in the US and leaving things for quite a while before launching elsewhere. Examples; iphone, TV downloads on itunes, new Apple TV. I'm sure there's more

What do people think?

BanzaiBk

chilli_pepper wrote: »

A bit silly investing in technology that you KNOW is going to be outdated very soon.

That's a ridiculous statement. There should be no consumer technology available to buy until it's the "best" one? 3G might not suit everyone so the standard iPhone is their obvious choice. No need to throw the rattle out of the pram because no one, barring Steve Jobs probably, knows the details for a new phone:pac:

Creamy Goodness

why does everyone think it will take longer for it to come out here.

o2 have a 3g network so plug in your sim and go.

tywy

3G wastes battery faster too... which is another thing to consider, 3G phones don't have as good battery as the predecessor.

What's better about 3G that you want, take that into account too... do you want what 3G is offering.

chilli_pepper

BanzaiBk wrote: »

That's a ridiculous statement. There should be no consumer technology available to buy until it's the "best" one? 3G might not suit everyone so the standard iPhone is their obvious choice. No need to throw the rattle out of the pram because no one, barring Steve Jobs probably, knows the details for a new phone:pac:

But Is it not like buying last weeks bread today

BanzaiBk

lol, what if you lived in an area that had no 3G support? Or if you needed a good battery life with browsing capabilities? Anyone would be an idiot to buy something that didn't suit them just because it was the latest and greatest.

Breezer

BanzaiBk wrote: »

no one, barring Steve Jobs probably, knows the details for a new phone:pac:

Why does everyone think Steve Jobs is the brains behind every single thing that happens at Apple? It has a board that makes decisions like every other company. Sure, Mr Jobs has a fair bit of input, but I think a lot of people visualise Apple as being a bit like Santa's workshop: Steve says 'Do this, make that, upgrade the other' and the obedient little elves hurriedly scuttle to do his bidding!

Sorry, been wanting to say that for ages

Anyway, back on topic: OP if you want the latest and best features, don't buy an iPhone. Not only does it have no 3G, but a rubbish camera, a crippled browser (no Flash), no audio-in, no method (yet) of installing your own apps that doesn't require you to void your warranty, only available on one network, etc. There are other, better, cheaper smartphones.

If you want a beautiful handset with a great interface, then buy an iPhone now. Other manufacturers aren't going to sit idly by and let Apple take over the market. By the time the 3G iPhone appears, there is likely going to be something better on the market anyway. Apple is selling these things by promoting their ease of use, and appears to be making quite a profit from doing so. Therefore, it is unlikely to ever spend huge sums of money on giving the iPhone the latest and best features, because there doesn't seem to be any need to.

chilli_pepper

its not about the latest and greatest :rolleyes: Is 3G not widely available around ROI ? http://www.three.ie/coverage/index.htm
Would it not be better to have an iphone that supports 3G as well as everything else ?

BanzaiBk

Breezer wrote: »

Why does everyone think Steve Jobs is the brains behind every single thing that happens at Apple? It has a board that makes decisions like every other company. Sure, Mr Jobs has a fair bit of input, but I think a lot of people visualise Apple as being a bit like Santa's workshop: Steve says 'Do this, make that, upgrade the other' and the obedient little elves hurriedly scuttle to do his bidding!

Did you miss the :pac:?




:pac:

chilli_pepper wrote: »

its not about the latest and greatest :rolleyes: Is 3G not widely available around ROI ? http://www.three.ie/coverage/index.htm
Would it not be better to have an iphone that supports 3G as well as everything else ?

Course it would, did I say it wouldn't? All I said was that certain technologies do not suit everyone, technologies like 3G.

Breezer

BanzaiBk wrote: »

Did you miss the :pac:?

I wasn't really talking about you, I've just been wanting to rant about that for a while

Course it would, did I say it wouldn't? All I said was that certain technologies do not suit everyone, technologies like 3G.

True, although considering the iPhone is being marketed as a music phone with built-in access to the iTunes music store, I don't think Apple was aiming it at those sort of people. I think it has a lot more to do with the fact that it's an American company, the US is its main market, 3G is not big in the US, and it made more financial sense to put the iPhone on sale as is in other markets than wait to develop a 3G model.

Dont be at yourself

Most apple stores are appararently out-of-stock of the iPhone, with new shipments unconfirmed. Is stock depleted due to an incoming upgrade?

srdb20

xanthor wrote: »

Ireland has often been pushed to the back of the queue when a new phone is launched.

Thats not exactly true, for the likes of Phone manufacturers like Nokia etc we usually receive there newest phone models before the US does.

Unfortunately with apple, it seems to be the polar opposite.

nialler

Generally when you can't get your hand on an apple product it's in for an upgrade, I always check availability before buying any particular model.

3G or no 3G I'm not paying the extortionate prices that O2 are charging for their contracts, it's a complete joke, you get 600 minutes in the UK and 1000 in Austria for the same price or slightly less and the phone is cheaper too. But a 3G (hopefully HSDPA) is definitely on the cards pretty soon and with SU 2.0 it should really make inroads into the market.

Creamy Goodness

yup the boston branch of the apple store is sold out of 8 and 16gig iphones and they say it could be 20 days before they can "source" stock.

make of that "source" what you will.

whiterebel

Breezer wrote: »

Why does everyone think Steve Jobs is the brains behind every single thing that happens at Apple? It has a board that makes decisions like every other company. Sure, Mr Jobs has a fair bit of input, but I think a lot of people visualise Apple as being a bit like Santa's workshop: Steve says 'Do this, make that, upgrade the other' and the obedient little elves hurriedly scuttle to do his bidding!

Sorry, been wanting to say that for ages

I'd have to disagree.
Apple watcher for 14 years. Worked in the plant, and for an outside firm. Have a friend who regularly goes to Cupertino for meetings and the like. It is exactly like that. Jobs through Ives on the design front, manufacturing and the day to day though Tim Cook ( a man who doesn't understand the word "no"). Apple tried to run like a proper business before via comittee from John Scully through to Gil Amelio and it was a disaster. Jobs has always had the vision, even if he went off the rails at times. Must be a hard man to work with.

Breezer

whiterebel wrote: »

I'd have to disagree.
Apple watcher for 14 years. Worked in the plant, and for an outside firm. Have a friend who regularly goes to Cupertino for meetings and the like. It is exactly like that. Jobs through Ives on the design front, manufacturing and the day to day though Tim Cook ( a man who doesn't understand the word "no"). Apple tried to run like a proper business before via comittee from John Scully through to Gil Amelio and it was a disaster. Jobs has always had the vision, even if he went off the rails at times. Must be a hard man to work with.

Interesting. You'd wonder what's going to happen when he retires if that's the case.

Back on topic, I was just reading through this thread and noticed that in a previous post I stated that the iPhone has no audio in. That would be the iPod touch, which actually does have audio in (sort of). A phone not having audio in would be a little bizarre to say the least.

netopia789

i pohane is going to be batter in the next faw manths whan it becames 3g

babypink

netopia789 wrote: »

i pohane is going to be batter in the next faw manths whan it becames 3g

spell check please

aidan_walsh

babypink wrote: »

spell check please

Clearly someone is offering battered iPhones for 3 grand. Expensive, but if it tastes good it might be worth it.

babypink

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Clearly someone is offering battered iPhones for 3 grand. Expensive, but if it tastes good it might be worth it.

epic!

conzy

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Clearly someone is offering battered iPhones for 3 grand. Expensive, but if it tastes good it might be worth it.

ahaha

Dont be at yourself

The rumour mill is now buzzing that we'll see a 3G iPhone within 60 days, with a possible family of iPhones by the end of the year.

I'm hopeful, but a little unsure. Don't these phones have to go through public FCC approval in the states weeks/months before they go on sale?

Creamy Goodness

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

The rumour mill is now buzzing that we'll see a 3G iPhone within 60 days, with a possible family of iPhones by the end of the year.

I'm hopeful, but a little unsure. Don't these phones have to go through public FCC approval in the states weeks/months before they go on sale?

yes but what's to say it isn't going through this aproval atm?

Dont be at yourself

I thought it was a public process - hence why Apple unveiled the original iPhone six-months prior to launch, whereas they usually unveil on the day of launch. It's typical for the first photos of phones to be taken from FCC test-units.

jpfahy

Just wondering;
If you have an official O2 iphone, then go to the states and by a 3G one when they come out and swop sims........

chilli_pepper

jpfahy wrote: »

Just wondering;
If you have an official O2 iphone, then go to the states and by a 3G one when they come out and swop sims........

I think you would have to Jailbreak the 3g iphone so it will work with your sim.

No sign of the iphone in Florida either so its a 32 GB Ipod Touch for me..

Thanks for all the advice