What is the derogation??

ivanthehunter

derogation? What does it mean to shooters and how does it effect farmers and the efforts on crop control?
I know its a silly question! but i dont know it all:rolleyes::pac::pac:

meathstevie

On a practical level : it simply removes the protection granted by the various wildlife acts to wild animals from certain species for a certain lenght of time. As for actually hunting these the normal rules apply in regards to access of land, cruelty to animals etc etc... .

ivanthehunter

I see that magpies are protected under this European directive and this protection is only revoked under the set of circumstances the derogation out lines, ie crop attack & danger to human health or game animals.

But it is my understanding that magpies were released in the early part of the 1900's. I think that similar circumstances surround the release of the gray squirrels but i fail to see any protection afforded them in the SI!! Am i mistaken?

Mellor

The european directive is more guideline, countries can choose not to protect certain species if they are numourous in that country (afaik anyway). It makes sense as different species are going to be more common from one side to the other, europe is pretty big now.

As for greys, they are an alien species and carry out pretty erious damage. But what I'd like to know, where are mammels defined are vermin or not

ivanthehunter

Mellor wrote: »

As for greys, they are an alien species and carry out pretty erious damage. But what I'd like to know, where are mammels defined are vermin or not

Magpies are the same as grays, re damage to other species.
Any way there is no such thing as vermin in Ireland, only protected and unprotected species.... This is the word according to Nonameranger, praise the lord.............:D

bob lee swagger

ivanthehunter wrote: »

Magpies are the same as grays, re damage to other species.
Any way there is no such thing as vermin in Ireland, only protected and unprotected species.... This is the word according to Nonameranger, praise the lord.............:D

plenty of vermin in ireland

ivanthehunter

No such thing as vermin,
i am concerned as to how the law provides protection for two different species both of which are destructive little buggers. One is provided standard "unprotected species" protection the other receives the same protection but it also gets extra European protection which manifests itself in the form of derogation, albeit it seems to be a measure to protect the species from annihilation by making the Irish government asses the numbers of the relevant species before the paper is signed quarter yearly.
One is the gray squirrel and the other is the magpie..

There are two issues
Firstly, how can this destructive magpie be considered for any protection(other than the standard) as its an invasive species that causes unmeasurable damage to indigenous Irish wildlife, surly our indigenous populations must come first?

Secondly, how is it that this act is able to specify the methods of dispatch for each species?