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Denmark signs up for electric car infrastructure

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  • 27-03-2008 8:10pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭


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    Denmark has become the second country to sign up to Shai Agassi's ambitious plan to wean the world off petrol-driven transportation, with the announcement of a deal between Agassi's Project Better Place and Danish utility Dong Energy. As with the Israeli deal announced in January, the latest venture will involve mass production of electric vehicles and the rollout of an extensive recharging and battery swap infrastructure.

    Speaking to The Register this afternoon, Agassi said that the Israeli and Danish projects were broadly similar in size and timescale. Both will see the first vehicles on the road next year, with production ramping up into thousands in 2010, by which time the fuelling infrastructure will be starting to emerge.

    Also like Israel, the Danish government will be offering tax breaks on the vehicles. According to Agassi, the average price of a car in Denmark is $60,000 (about €38,000), while the tax break could price an electric car as low as $20,000 there. So the Project Better Place formula for success so far seems to be to get the attention of a power company to provide the network, and secure the tax breaks that will make electric vehicles a compelling proposition compared to petrol. This may not play so well in countries that don't already tax motor vehicles heavily, and/or that have a substantial auto manufacturing industry.

    The Denmark infrastructure will consist of approximately 500,000 charging spots and 150 battery swap stations, allowing vehicles to be charged overnight, and the swap stations to be used as a gas station equivalent for longer journeys. Agassi sees it as vital that using an electric vehicle is at least as convenient as using a petrol driven one, so the battery swap should take no longer than it would to fill a tank of petrol - but he claims 20 seconds is do-able.

    Drivers won't own the batteries, and will pay based on km driven rather directly for electricity used, so the age of the battery installed shouldn't be a major issue so long as it's good for the specified km driven, nor will drivers lose money by trading in batteries before they're fully run down.

    Aside from powering cars, the Danish infrastructure is also intended to act as storage capacity for the country's wind power generation capability. On average around 20 per cent of Denmark's electricity comes from wind, but this can be substantially higher or lower, depending on conditions, meaning there's a need to sell off surplus power to neighbouring countries, and to maintain a substantial standby capacity to fill the gap when the wind is low. Two million electric cars in circulation, however, would give provide a standby capacity around five times the size of Denmark's needs, says Agassi. This he says is being designed into the infrastructure from the start, with smart charging systems charging batteries when the power's plentiful, and even feeding power back into the grid when necessary.

    Where next? Agassi says he's in discussions with 30 countries, but declines to get any more specific, and won't comment on California's inglorious electric car record (Project Better Place is Palo Alto-based), apart from saying targets don't mean a thing if you don't have the science in place. California pioneered wishing for an electric vehicle revolution, but has subsequently postponed and downgraded its targets for them. Agassi has previously suggested France might be a good market, and Japan has also been rumoured. Considering that the cars are being made by Renault and Nissan, neither of these would be surprising, but as both also have substantial auto industries, they could be a tougher sell.

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    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/27/denmark_agassi_ev/

    Other story links on the same topic:

    Denmark's largest utility joins electric car venture:
    http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000327118&fid=942

    Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120658337512067579.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    Herald Trib: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/03/27/business/EU-FIN-Denmark-Electric-Cars.php

    .probe


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,113 ✭✭✭homer911


    ...posted the same day the ESB announce a €22B investment, and its all on generation and back-end, nothing(?) at the consumer end.
    http://www.esb.ie/main/news_events/press_release337.jsp


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    it a bit risky to start these grands plans when things are changing so rapidly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭JackieChan


    Fair play to Denmark. It is a big decision to move forward like this when only one country has gone before you but its thinking that is needed if we are going to tackle our dependency on oil. Too much talking is done and very little action. It does appear that electric cars will be the way of the future so it makes sense to stand up and strike for this now than wait even 10 years more to do this. Of course there will be problems but I'm sure that these will be overcome and other countries will point and say that "we" should do this. I'd love to see our country start this program soon.....but no doubt we will be 15-20 years behind.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭BendiBus


    Video interviews with Shai Agasssi & Carlos Ghosn of Renault-Nissan about electric vehicles

    http://www.questionsforthefuture.tv/en/qftf_gets_personal__1

    Being small, and an island, and with the amount of renewable electricity we can produce domestically, you'd think Ireland would make an ideal early adopter.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭BendiBus


    Not surprisingly, the ESB is all in favour of electric cars too.

    http://www.rte.ie/business/2008/0403/imi.html

    OK, they're trying to grow the market for electricity but they've got a voice that can be heard at all levels in Ireland. And they have a good argument to put forward regardless of their obvious interest.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭probe


    BendiBus wrote: »
    Not surprisingly, the ESB is all in favour of electric cars too.

    http://www.rte.ie/business/2008/0403/imi.html

    OK, they're trying to grow the market for electricity but they've got a voice that can be heard at all levels in Ireland. And they have a good argument to put forward regardless of their obvious interest.

    While I hope I'm wrong, it could be an ESB attempt at greenwashing themselves.

    .probe


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭BendiBus


    From todays Business Post
    A government plan to spearhead a move by Irish motorists to electric cars is to be unveiled shortly.

    The Electric Transport Programme, to be announced by Minister for Energy Eamon Ryan and Minister for Transport Noel Dempsey, is aimed at helping Ireland meet EU targets on greenhouse gas emissions.

    The plan will use Israel, Denmark and Portugal as models for a new electric grid system being developed for ‘clean vehicles’.

    SBP Story


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