USA car prices!

Stevie Dakota

Just back from the States where my sister in law just purchased a very pleasant 08 Ford Escape (think bigger than Freelander), 2.3 liter auto with plenty of toys for the equivalent of €11,500!!!!

http://www.fordvehicles.com/suvs/escape/?v=html

New model Honda Accord can be yours for only a bit more, its unreal.....I'm thinking of emigrating...

Cionád

Same price for a mustang, and €9,200 for a brand new focus :eek:

markymac

It's unreal isn't it!!!

ninty9er

The put their taxes elsewhere, but you pay through the nose for everything else. Oh and those prices like all US prices will be PRE-TAX

I noticed a lot of car ads involved lease agreements....which makes it sound extremely cheap, but you have no car at the end of it *shrug*

Captain Slow IRL

THAT'S BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE VRT.......

Haha, just stirring things up!:D

ninty9er

Cionád wrote: »

Same price for a mustang, and €9,200 for a brand new focus :eek:

Dear God shield your eyes, SHIELD YOUR EYES:D:D:D:D

SoBe

ninty9er wrote: »

The put their taxes elsewhere, but you pay through the nose for everything else.

I noticed a lot of car ads involved lease agreements....which makes it sound extremely cheap, but you have no car at the end of it *shrug*

most of the lease agreements have a final payment that you can pay to own the car(balance of the cost of the car) or you can decide to walk away,and the lease agreements have all servicing oil changes etc. included.
only downside is they give you a crappy milage allowance. 10k-12k a year.

ninty9er

Toyota US website wrote:

Excludes taxes, license, title and available or regionally required equipment

That solves that mystery

Cionád

SoBe wrote: »

most of the lease agreements have a final payment that you can pay to own the car(balance of the cost of the car)

* Homer: "And that's it right?"
* Salesman: "Yup, oh then after your final monthly payment there's the CBP, or Crippling Balloon Payment."
* Homer: "Yeah, but that's not for a while, right?"
* Salesman: "Right!"

SoBe

Cionád wrote: »

* Homer: "And that's it right?"
* Salesman: "Yup, oh then after your final monthly payment there's the CBP, or Crippling Balloon Payment."
* Homer: "Yeah, but that's not for a while, right?"
* Salesman: "Right!"

so say you lease a focus for 3 years at $169 pm of course your going to owe money at the end of it.you would be pretty stupid to think other wise.

taxes,licence and title dont cost that much.i think i paid about $280 taxes title and licence for the dodge dakota i bought.

daRobot

Bmw 335i - 26,500 euro on the road with taxes included.

We're driving 25k of machine and 50k of tax.

Gandalf23

ninty9er wrote: »

The put their taxes elsewhere, but you pay through the nose for everything else.

Definitely cant let this one pass...

Would you care to enlighten us as to where they "put their taxes elsewhere" and "pay through the nose for everything else"?

Cionád

Gandalf23 wrote: »

Definitely cant let this one pass...

Would you care to enlighten us as to where they "put their taxes elsewhere" and "pay through the nose for everything else"?

I'm guessing he means stuff like Health Insurance.

ninty9er

Cionád wrote: »

I'm guessing he means stuff like Health Insurance.

Bang on!!

It costs more than a Mustang to insure a family of 4 for the year:eek::eek:

Gandalf23

Cionád wrote: »

I'm guessing he means stuff like Health Insurance.

Yeah, he must mean health insurance. Because we dont pay through the nose for health insurance ... I mean its only €7350 pa (2 parents, 2 school going children from the VHI website accessed today) for VHI these days. And for that you get access to the first class, world beating Irish health service!!!

And our VAT is only 21% ... and our CGT rates, and our CAT rates ... all so so so low!!! And sure VRT is only about 30% or something. All a bargain!!!

Nope we definitely are not paying thro the nose ... and sure if we were would'nt it all be worth it for our school system alone (where we have the second largest class sizes in Europe.

Dont make me laugh.




/rant over .../

Run_to_da_hills

Cionád wrote: »

I'm guessing he means stuff like Health Insurance.

Like keeping an old one in Ireland in a private nursing home for 10 weeks would buy you a brand new ford Focus in the States, (or a danm good second hand one in Ireland). Who said Health care is cheap in Ireland, its a rip off just like the states and getting worse!!.

Gandalf23

ninty9er wrote: »

The put their taxes elsewhere, but you pay through the nose for everything else.

I'll ask again ... Would you care to enlighten us as to where they "put their taxes elsewhere" and "pay through the nose for everything else"?

Please give examples if you can.

I suspect you wont be able to support your statement.

Victor

Gandalf23 wrote: »

Yeah, he must mean health insurance. Because we dont pay through the nose for health insurance ... I mean its only €7350 pa (2 parents, 2 school going children from the VHI website accessed today) for VHI these days. And for that you get access to the first class, world beating Irish health service!!!

The highest price I could find was €6,234.98 and that includes the Blackrock Clinic.

The American prices exclude sales tax.

Wertz

Sales tax in most states ranges between 2.5% and 9%....a far cry from VAT/VRT....Americans also pay less taxes on fuel.

ninty9er

Gandalf23 wrote: »

I'll ask again ... Would you care to enlighten us as to where they "put their taxes elsewhere" and "pay through the nose for everything else"?

Please give examples if you can.

I suspect you wont be able to support your statement.

Let me see....it costs €1700 annually for me and my parents to have VHI cover, with which I procured a hospital bed just last week for an illness I'm still off sick with. That covers heart surgery and daycare procedures in the Blackrock Clinic, Beacon or Mater Private if God forbid any of us should ever require it

It cost my aunt and her husband $16,000 for health insurance last year for them and my cousins....that excludes GP, dental, respite. They paid an absolute fortune nearly $500,000 for a 2 bed house an in Boston's commuter belt....an hour's drive off peak.

There is at least 1 toll plaza on every main route into most major cities/airports.
There is a "service charge" as well as a tip for most services. A college degree costs $180,000 before living expenses, for Ivy League Harvard Law reckons $65,000 should be enough to get you through the Academic Year. The US has accumulated $4,000,000,000,000 ($4 trillion) of public debt on the last 6 years, mainly fighting a war that the majority of its citizens don't want or want to pay for.

Sure they have low personal taxes, but when China calls in it's death duties let's see how long it lasts.

So I'll see your ludicrous VHI claim and raise you $4 trillion of debt that someone's gonna have to pay back in the not too distant future, a college degree at €180,000 to our €3600, non existent sick benefit to at least something here, 26 weeks paid maternity leave, a state that, despite what some people think, actually cares.

From the US Dept. of Social Security

Maternity Benefits
Although there is no general program of maternity benefits in the United States, millions of women are eligible for maternity benefits through health and insurance programs provided under voluntary plans or, in some cases, through legislative action. These benefits take the form of cash payments to meet part or all of the expense of obstetrical care; or they may provide medical and hospital services. For women workers they may also include maternity leave provisions and cash payments to compensate in part for loss of wages during disability.
Federal legislation provides benefits for women railroad workers, women federal employees, women in military service, and wives of servicemen. Federal, State, and local laws provide assistance for women who are "medically needy." But the trend in the United Sautes is toward voluntary protection, and this is provided for under informal employer policies, through collective bargaining agreements, or through private subscription to commercial insurance plans.

Do you get where I'm going with this. We pay taxes, they're redistributed, they don't pay high taxes and if it all goes belly up in the morning they're F@&<ed.

Let me think again on the prices issue....ah yes....my memory card purcahse

me:cool $99 bit of a saving there
shop assistant: that'll be $111.38
me: but it says $99
shop assistant: but you gotta take the tax.

You don't assume you're paying it, but you are. Trust me it's cheaper to live here!!

rant over

zilog_jones

ninty9er wrote: »

a college degree at €180,000 to our €3600

Jaysus, for that money in Ireland you could get 7 degrees and probaby a masters or two, maybe a few PhDs on top of that if you do well

SoBe

ninty9er wrote: »

Let me think again on the prices issue....ah yes....my memory card purcahse

me:cool $99 bit of a saving there
shop assistant: that'll be $111.38
me: but it says $99
shop assistant: but you gotta take the tax.

You don't assume you're paying it, but you are. Trust me it's cheaper to live here!!

rant over

sorry but i have to disagree with you on the point that its cheaper to live in ireland than in the states.i have lived in ireland for 34 years and have paid through the ass for everything.cars,houses taxes etc.

im not wanting to turn this into a political debate cus thats going off thread.
besides seeing your sig i already know you look through rose tinted glasses.

p.s. even if the memory card cost $111.38 bet it was still cheaper than you could buy it in ireland

ninty9er

SoBe wrote: »

sorry but i have to disagree with you on the point that its cheaper to live in ireland than in the states.i have lived in ireland for 34 years and have paid through the ass for everything.cars,houses taxes etc.

im not wanting to turn this into a political debate cus thats going off thread.
besides seeing your sig i already know you look through rose tinted glasses.

p.s. even if the memory card cost $111.38 bet it was still cheaper than you could buy it in ireland

not really

rose tinted was probably when I was buying it in that store in New York

what_car

:D

ninty9er wrote: »

Bang on!!

It costs more than a Mustang to insure a family of 4 for the year:eek::eek:

the only difference is that you get a REAL invoice with the car.!!:D:D
im sure bertie knows all about tax..

let me say again, could u keep that FF stupid SIG out of a motors forum

good chap.

milltown

ninty9er wrote: »

Let me see....it costs €1700 annually for me and my parents to have VHI cover, with which I procured a hospital bed just last week for an illness I'm still off sick with. That covers heart surgery and daycare procedures in the Blackrock Clinic, Beacon or Mater Private if God forbid any of us should ever require it

It cost my aunt and her husband $16,000 for health insurance last year for them and my cousins....that excludes GP, dental, respite. They paid an absolute fortune nearly $500,000 for a 2 bed house an in Boston's commuter belt....an hour's drive off peak.

There is at least 1 toll plaza on every main route into most major cities/airports.
There is a "service charge" as well as a tip for most services. A college degree costs $180,000 before living expenses, for Ivy League Harvard Law reckons $65,000 should be enough to get you through the Academic Year. The US has accumulated $4,000,000,000,000 ($4 trillion) of public debt on the last 6 years, mainly fighting a war that the majority of its citizens don't want or want to pay for.

Sure they have low personal taxes, but when China calls in it's death duties let's see how long it lasts.

So I'll see your ludicrous VHI claim and raise you $4 trillion of debt that someone's gonna have to pay back in the not too distant future, a college degree at €180,000 to our €3600, non existent sick benefit to at least something here, 26 weeks paid maternity leave, a state that, despite what some people think, actually cares.

From the US Dept. of Social Security


Do you get where I'm going with this. We pay taxes, they're redistributed, they don't pay high taxes and if it all goes belly up in the morning they're F@&<ed.

Let me think again on the prices issue....ah yes....my memory card purcahse

me:cool $99 bit of a saving there
shop assistant: that'll be $111.38
me: but it says $99
shop assistant: but you gotta take the tax.

You don't assume you're paying it, but you are. Trust me it's cheaper to live here!!

rant over

It's not often I'd agree with you when you veer off on one of your political tangents ninety9er but you're not far off the mark in this case. I have taken the VHI to the fricking cleaners over the past two years I regret to say and I have gotten top class care in an average hospital. My (and my family's) VHI is paid for by my American multinational employer because it is a nice, affordable, tax efficient perk that they could not offer their American employees.

On business in Texas a few years ago a colleague had an accident that required a few stitches. They wouldn't look at him until he could prove how he was going to pay. Then they stitched him for, iirc, $115 per stitch * 6. $690 for a smallish cut, not including what he saved by taking them out himself. They would seriously let you die in the waiting room if you hadn't the money.

Even our ****ty health service is better than that.

Now where did that motors forum go?

ninty9er

what_car wrote: »

let me say again, could u keep that FF stupid SIG out of a motors forum

good chap.

I will when all political sigs are removed from the site....when it becomes registered in China....til then you'll juts have to get used to it or ignore it like everyone else.

Stevie Dakota

Back on topic, the price she paid was ALL IN. Not a lease deal, she owns the car for €11,500.

ninty9er

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

Back on topic, the price she paid was ALL IN. Not a lease deal, she owns the car for €11,500.

Not the base model so...that's about $23,000, which on exchange rates is €11,500, but is her salary doubled too??

Don't get me wrong it's still a whole lot cheaper, about the same as an Irish person paying €25,000 for the same car. The distributors don't even bring the Galaxy in here at that price pre-tax (let me do some maths and get back on that though)

Cionád

ninty9er wrote: »

Not the base model so...that's about $23,000, which on exchange rates is €11,500, but is her salary doubled too??

11,500 euro is circa 18,000 dollars on todays rates.

Biro

ninty9er wrote: »

Let me see....it costs €1700 annually for me and my parents to have VHI cover, with which I procured a hospital bed just last week for an illness I'm still off sick with. That covers heart surgery and daycare procedures in the Blackrock Clinic, Beacon or Mater Private if God forbid any of us should ever require it

It cost my aunt and her husband $16,000 for health insurance last year for them and my cousins....that excludes GP, dental, respite. They paid an absolute fortune nearly $500,000 for a 2 bed house an in Boston's commuter belt....an hour's drive off peak.

There is at least 1 toll plaza on every main route into most major cities/airports.
There is a "service charge" as well as a tip for most services. A college degree costs $180,000 before living expenses, for Ivy League Harvard Law reckons $65,000 should be enough to get you through the Academic Year. The US has accumulated $4,000,000,000,000 ($4 trillion) of public debt on the last 6 years, mainly fighting a war that the majority of its citizens don't want or want to pay for.

Sure they have low personal taxes, but when China calls in it's death duties let's see how long it lasts.

So I'll see your ludicrous VHI claim and raise you $4 trillion of debt that someone's gonna have to pay back in the not too distant future, a college degree at €180,000 to our €3600, non existent sick benefit to at least something here, 26 weeks paid maternity leave, a state that, despite what some people think, actually cares.

From the US Dept. of Social Security


Do you get where I'm going with this. We pay taxes, they're redistributed, they don't pay high taxes and if it all goes belly up in the morning they're F@&<ed.

Let me think again on the prices issue....ah yes....my memory card purcahse

me:cool $99 bit of a saving there
shop assistant: that'll be $111.38
me: but it says $99
shop assistant: but you gotta take the tax.

You don't assume you're paying it, but you are. Trust me it's cheaper to live here!!

rant over

Actually, you're not far off the mark there. People are all too quick to criticise Ireland. Now I complain frequently enough about it, but mainly cause I see a better way of doing things, not necessarily a cheaper way. But all that aside, it is fairly cheap to live here (apart from the last few silly property hikes). OK, so 6 years ago I think was the peak in where we were earning the money and the property was still somewhat affordable. Education and health, while not perfect, are cheap and effective here. We're better educated than the US by a long way, and for less money.
The trick is to get qualified here, work for an American company with all the benefits, then get relocated with the same benefits over there and reap the rewards of cheap goods!!

Cionád

Biro wrote: »

The trick is to get qualified here, work for an American company with all the benefits, then get relocated with the same benefits over there and reap the rewards of cheap goods!!

Or relocate to Canada and have little shopping trips to the states.

ninty9er

Cionád wrote: »

11,500 euro is circa 18,000 dollars on todays rates.

Oops my bad had a £IR/$US conversation the other day and it was £1=$2. No wonder my Wedgewood shares are gone belly up:rolleyes::rolleyes:

anywho...the maths...Cheapest 1.8 Galaxy comes in around the wrong side of €25,000 inclusive of VAT, exclusive of VRT, delivery and related charges.

Gandalf23

Gandalf23 wrote: »

I'll ask again ... Would you care to enlighten us as to where they "put their taxes elsewhere" and "pay through the nose for everything else"?

Please give examples if you can.

I suspect you wont be able to support your statement.

ninty9er wrote: »

Let me see....it costs €1700 annually for me and my parents to have VHI cover, with which I procured a hospital bed just last week for an illness I'm still off sick with. That covers heart surgery and daycare procedures in the Blackrock Clinic, Beacon or Mater Private if God forbid any of us should ever require it

It cost my aunt and her husband $16,000 for health insurance last year for them and my cousins....that excludes GP, dental, respite. They paid an absolute fortune nearly $500,000 for a 2 bed house an in Boston's commuter belt....an hour's drive off peak.

There is at least 1 toll plaza on every main route into most major cities/airports.
There is a "service charge" as well as a tip for most services. A college degree costs $180,000 before living expenses, for Ivy League Harvard Law reckons $65,000 should be enough to get you through the Academic Year.


Let me think again on the prices issue....ah yes....my memory card purcahse

me:cool $99 bit of a saving there
shop assistant: that'll be $111.38
me: but it says $99
shop assistant: but you gotta take the tax.

You don't assume you're paying it, but you are. Trust me it's cheaper to live here!!

OK ... your initial statement was that they "put their taxes elsewhere" and "pay through the nose for everything else"?

When asked to support this statement the best you can come up with is 2 examples;
1. health insurance is more expensive in the US (they have the best hospitals in the world, whereas we have a 3rd world healthcare system).
2. education is more expensive in the US (they have the best Universities in the world, whereas we have teachers on the verge of strike action because of broken FF promises and a chronic lack of funding).

Is that the best you can do?

Hardly makes the case that people in the US "pay through the nose for everything else".

Do you reasise how foolish you are making yourself look?

Now, again I ask you to support your totally stupid claim that they "put their taxes elsewhere" and "pay through the nose for everything else"?

unkel

ninty9er, stop turning threads into political ones. This is the motors forum in case you forgot. You will not get another warning.

Back on topic everyone...

Gandalf23

ninty9er wrote: »

Let me think again on the prices issue....ah yes....my memory card purcahse

me:cool $99 bit of a saving there
shop assistant: that'll be $111.38
me: but it says $99
shop assistant: but you gotta take the tax.

Have you heard of VAT? It's currently 21% here in Ireland.

So to use your example ... if you were to buy the memory card here and it cost €99 ... the VAT would be 21% and thus approx €21 ... and the total cost of the memory card would be €120 as compared to the US cost in your example of 111.38.

Great way to support your argument ... by giving an example which totally contradicts your argument :rolleyes:

Gandalf23

unkel wrote: »

ninty9er, stop turning threads into political ones. This is the motors forum in case you forgot. You will not get another warning.

Back on topic everyone...

This guy has a history of doing this.

Could we get political sigs like his (which contain inaccuracies btw) banned from motors please?

alexmcred

+1

ninty9er

Gandalf23 wrote: »

OK ... your initial statement was that they "put their taxes elsewhere" and "pay through the nose for everything else"?

When asked to support this statement the best you can come up with is 2 examples;
1. health insurance is more expensive in the US (they have the best hospitals in the world, whereas we have a 3rd world healthcare system).
2. education is more expensive in the US (they have the best Universities in the world, whereas we have teachers on the verge of strike action because of broken FF promises and a chronic lack of funding).

Is that the best you can do?

Hardly makes the case that people in the US "pay through the nose for everything else".

Do you reasise how foolish you are making yourself look?

Now, again I ask you to support your totally stupid claim that they "put their taxes elsewhere" and "pay through the nose for everything else"?

And I'll refer your best educated comment to George W. Bush and your best healthcare comment to the comment made by milltown about people being left to die at a hospital admissions desk until they can prove they can pay.

You can have all the best of this that and the other, but if you can't access it it's no good.

If you honestly believe that our education system is falling apart, why is there more demand for 95% of all graduate degrees than supply stemming from this country.

Ireland currently has a shortage of about 20,000....yes 20,000 accountants. If you don't believe me I can pm you the email addredd of my Accounting lecturer who has a Phd in such matters.

Lack of IT graduates is forcing companies who WANT to locate here to look elsewhere.

Big money doesn't buy a good education, just look at any grind school in the country or "rugby college" in Dublin and you'll see that.

Maybe pay through the nose was excessive, but they pay the human cost of living in a country that really doesn not give a rats ass of you live or die. There are also state property taxes (varying within not to mind among states)

And in looking at this I realised that a couple earning €50k between them pay only 4% income tax in Ireland after credits are applied:eek::eek:

Gandalf23

99er has a history of this kind of sh1te. How long more should he be tolerated here?

From the motors charter "Back up your statements - if you make a bold statement then please provide some kind of evidence to back up what you are saying." He clearly cant do this and has been unable to back up statements many times in the past.

Again I ask could we get blatant political sigs of all types banned from motors please? From the motors charter "No advertising". I consider 99er's sig to be advertising.

Looks to me like 99er constantly drags threads off topic with his political ramblings, and has also broken the charter at least twice.

ninty9er

ninty9er wrote: »

cut was writing when warnings posted

I will stop being political when other people do.

AntiVirus

+2

I got banned before for having a picture and text! oh the shame,

Gandalf23

ninty9er wrote: »

And I'll refer your best educated comment to George W. Bush and your best healthcare comment to the comment made by milltown about people being left to die at a hospital admissions desk until they can prove they can pay.

You can have all the best of this that and the other, but if you can't access it it's no good.

If you honestly believe that our education system is falling apart, why is there more demand for 95% of all graduate degrees than supply stemming from this country.

Ireland currently has a shortage of about 20,000....yes 20,000 accountants. If you don't believe me I can pm you the email addredd of my Accounting lecturer who has a Phd in such matters.

Lack of IT graduates is forcing companies who WANT to locate here to look elsewhere.

Big money doesn't buy a good education, just look at any grind school in the country or "rugby college" in Dublin and you'll see that.

Maybe pay through the nose was excessive, but they pay the human cost of living in a country that really doesn not give a rats ass of you live or die. There are also state property taxes (varying within not to mind among states)

And in looking at this I realised that a couple earning €50k between them pay only 4% income tax in Ireland after credits are applied:eek::eek:

I have reported this post because you are constantly dragging motors threads off topic with your political biases and lies.

Not to mention ignoring the direct warning of a motors mod above.

Kernel32

I bought myself a 2006 Honda Civic(1.9L 5 speed auto) with 15k miles on it for $13k in Dec 2007. I paid 5% sales tax and a registration fee of about $400. The registration fee is paid every year but also decreases as the car ages.

I bought a well equiped 2006 Mazda 6 Hatchback, 2L 5 Speed auto and a sports trim, electric everything, sunroof, bose sound with multi-cd, the works. It had 6k on the clock and I bought it Dec 2006. It was $19k, 5% tax and also around $400 registration.

I have found used cars, maybe a year or two old to be very well priced. I was shocked last year when I saw crappy Chrysler mini vans for sale in Ireland for E40k plus.

ninty9er

Gandalf23 wrote: »

I have reported this post because you are constantly dragging motors threads off topic with your political biases and lies.

Not to mention ignoring the direct warning of a motors mod above.

I have reported you for accusations of lying where no incontravertable proof exists. The post was also edited when I saw the warning.

Cop on.

Mitch Connor

in fairness - this thread was going to go political from the very start. You can't have a comparison of goods prices between coutries without getting into tax rates, which is going to get into tax distributioin.

unkel

ninty9er wrote: »

I will stop being political when other people do.

You started it (not the first time) and you were warned. Now you are banned. Thread locked