Working Dogs There Faith Lies In Your Hands

Tackleberry.

I know of two sports(hunting) that if your dogs fail in working or competing as the owner would expect the dog is shot ,this is a fact not made up for the Anti's and with the way people on the hunting boards are carrying on lately if the truth is to come out of how bad or sport can be lets have it out in the open, I’d much rather see a dog have a good home than a bullet in the head.
Name's and places are not to be mentioned but I’d expect to hear from one NEW boards member that has being stirring it up.:o:o

bunny shooter

I know this happens and I know people who have and will do it. I have an Irish Setter, which I bought at two years old and he's the best gundog in the world! He was trained when I vought him and he has one bad habit, but, who doesn't. I have a Lab pup and she's gorgeous. If she doesn't turn out to be a good shooting dog she will still have a home for the rest of her life with me and my family. My dogs are part of the family not tools to be discarded when of no use !

ivanthehunter

The Irish community is responsible for the continuation of thoroughbred dogs and for the continuity of their traits and skills. Its is irrelevant whether these community sectors are based in Farming or Hunting or in the Show dog arena or even the in the private households that dot or landscape.
These Irish communities owe a debt of gratuity to our ancestors and their diligence in their breeding programs..........
This is achieved through selective breeding and has nothing to do with chance or sympathy
It was hard core selection similar to the one you find so despicable that gave rise to the wide range of skilled work dogs that span the earth today..
People seem to have no qualms about the efficient dispatch of fox, rabbits and even sheep so why are you worried about dogs being disposed of in a humane fashion?

I can see that it could be carried out by people who are unable to train a dog and as such they blame the failure to learn on the poor dog, when really its their lazy attitude to the dogs which is to blame. These are the People who are unfit to own any animals. But sometimes they learn by their own mistake and end up making the best of trainers and masters..

Remember that shot dogs suffer no welfare problems and we have all seen the horror pictures of useless dogs locked up and left to starve.
Also some of our selective breeds are so good at learning that they some times learn bad habits which can,t be reversed ie sheep attack and the like.

I therefore say that most people who "put dogs down" do so for the benefit of the breed, and that an animal owner should be prepared to carry out such an act on any animal which could possible cause damage to other stock and to the breed its self..
You have to be tough to be a responsible animal owner..its not easy when the decision to have an animal put to sleep rests on your own head and is based on what you have witnessed in relation to a know beast:(especially when no others are involved and no one is forcing you to carry out such an unsavory deed..

Tackleberry.

I therefore say that most people who "put dogs down" do so for the benefit of the breed, and that an animal owner should be prepared to carry out such an act on any animal which could possible cause damage to other stock and to the breed its self..

:mad:
Sorry Ivan
but i don't agree of shooting a
Greyhound because he can't run a time
a fox hound because he won't bark on a fox
or a hound that barks (babbles) off a fox
or a dog that wont enter a burrow
a dog that bursts birds out of range etc etc...............
a dog that fails to be of any good use but yet could make a fine pet Ivan i've seen it happen its the unspoken dark side of hunting and Greyhound Raceing and lads i ain't a anti but this is bad news if it keeps carrying on.

ivanthehunter

Tackleberry. wrote: »

I therefore say that most people who "put dogs down" do so for the benefit of the breed, and that an animal owner should be prepared to carry out such an act on any animal which could possible cause damage to other stock and to the breed its self..

:mad:
Sorry Ivan
but i don't agree of shooting a
Greyhound because he can't run a time
a fox hound because he won't bark on a fox
or a hound that barks (babbles) off a fox
or a dog that wont enter a burrow
a dog that bursts birds out of range etc etc...............
a dog that fails to be of any good use but yet could make a fine pet Ivan i've seen it happen its the unspoken dark side of hunting and Greyhound Raceing and lads i ain't a anti but this is bad news if it keeps carrying on.

i see your point but the breeds of dog to which we have access to now have been born out of such ruthlessness and thats the hard facts of life.. its hard being in charge of the planet. i see your point but the prob dogs are a waist of time to humans.. I don't want to argue with any body on this issue but i see where you are coming from but i was brought up in a much harsher environment where my earliest child memory is of witnessing the killing of animals. i don't really think mush of painless death. i am total against unnecessary suffering...

BryanL

whats the point of this thread? just for petty arguments sake or has it some hunting/shooting benefit.
very few greyhounds can't make the basic qualifying times for Irish tracks and once they've done that they can be sold to english owners quite easily. for most small time Irish greyhound owners thats the normal routine for them,raise a pup get it qualified then sell it on. not unlike ponies etc.
very,very few foxhounds won't hunt,what really happens with hounds that aren't up to scratch is that the get moved on. if a foxhound is getting slow,or opening on hares and foxes it will get passed on to the local harrier packs.
small harriers get passed onto beagle or scratch packs etc. etc.
if you've ever been out with a pack of irish minkhounds you'll notice most of the hounds are old or lame or both. none of the minkhound packs breed their own hounds, they only take in hounds that can't keep up in the open country.
Bryan

Sikamick

Ivan,

If one has a horse, Hunter, Show Jumper or what ever and the horse is not up standard should we take a gun to him or do you have standards shoot a dog and not a horse.

If my Canaries don't sing the way I want them to sing, should I take the shotgun to them.

The anti's must love when you make comments like this, you give them plenty of ammunition for their cause (Excuse the pun).

As a hunter I want to be seen as being civilised and using commonsense in my sport and not an anything goes attitude like the Texas heart shot.

Tackleberry.

Honestly this thread started out of annoyance of the bickering between Whitser and the rest of the Boards (Hunting).
We aren’t saints in everyone’s eyes no matter how well we go about hunting/culling even shooting for sport and i felt that the gloves were off .So i dug the dirt on our past time, not that everyone is shooting there dogs if they don't work for them.
Now i am hoping that everyone would realise such, that we aren’t all saints and maybe realise that we are all in the one boat when it sinks.......and as usual it’s to late when it’s sinking.
Whitser if you read this CHILL :pac:you aren’t going to get anywhere the way your getting the lads backs up they are a good bunch of lads with loads of info and honestly they would love to hear your stories as i would also, i backed you on one of your first posts but honestly you've my back up now.
MODS:p please remove this post as it refers to matters that the Anti's would love to see us post to our own detriment and sorry lads it was posted in anger but also it’s a hard fact that the above happens.:(

Sikamick

Tackleberry. wrote: »

Honestly this thread started out of annoyance of the bickering between Whitser and the rest of the Boards (Hunting).
We aren’t saints in everyone’s eyes no matter how well we go about hunting/culling even shooting for sport and i felt that the gloves were off .So i dug the dirt on our past time, not that everyone is shooting there dogs if they don't work for them.
Now i am hoping that everyone would realise such, that we aren’t all saints and maybe realise that we are all in the one boat when it sinks.......and as usual it’s to late when it’s sinking.
Whitser if you read this CHILL :pac:you aren’t going to get anywhere the way your getting the lads backs up they are a good bunch of lads with loads of info and honestly they would love to hear your stories as i would also, i backed you on one of your first posts but honestly you've my back up now.
MODS:p please remove this post as it refers to matters that the Anti's would love to see us post to our own detriment and sorry lads it was posted in anger but also it’s a hard fact that the above happens.:(

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Tackleberry. by removing this thread/posting you give credit to the anti's claims. We the hunters have to isolate the hunters that feel anything goes.

And by removing peoples thoughts and words that are posted here wont make things right or change their attitudes. Standards and education in our sport is what is needed.

NoNameRanger

Sikamick wrote: »

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Standards and education in our sport is what is needed.

+1

Well said Mick!

ivanthehunter

Sikamick wrote: »

Ivan,

If one has a horse, Hunter, Show Jumper or what ever and the horse is not up standard should we take a gun to him or do you have standards shoot a dog and not a horse.

If my Canaries don't sing the way I want them to sing, should I take the shotgun to them.

The anti's must love when you make comments like this, you give them plenty of ammunition for their cause (Excuse the pun).

As a hunter I want to be seen as being civilised and using commonsense in my sport and not an anything goes attitude like the Texas heart shot.

Firstly i would like to issue a statement here that "I have never shot a dog and i would never like to, that i love dogs and have often dropped a tear at their passing. but i would have no problem in shooting a problem dog for whatever reason. i have only posted here to try and inform the blind animal lovers here that dog breeding has had a bloody past and that the harshness of the cruel world left dog breeders and owners no room for sympathy.

ANYWAY BACK TO THE POST

Dog breeding has nothing to do with the act of hunting or with wild animal welfare, so how are the anti's going to get involved.
And i wouldn't shoot a horse! i sell it to the knackers;)
And drowning those canaries would not be considered hunting and as such would not annoy any anti's.
Are the anti's stood out side the slaughterhouse trying to save little porky pig..
Realistically horses cost a lot of money and most people try to recoup the loses from a bad buy or a badly injured animal, but don't be deluded, old useless horses are regularly put down. they are kept as a business and not as bloody pets.