Secondary Teaching H Dip, few questions if anyone can help?

cokemon

Secondary teaching
Hey, I'm just wondering if anyone can give me a little advice on the HDip in secondary teaching?
I am wondering does work experience in a primary school count as teaching experience when applying for the HDip? As in, can I use it as points towards my HDip in secondary teaching?
I am also wondering if doing your PostGrad in UK is recognised here? You only specialise in one subject & I believe you need two to work in Ireland. Is that true?
Finally, if you have a ACELS recognised TEFL cert does this count as any points in your application? Also, does teaching in a ACELS TEFL school in a class count as teaching experience as far as the HDip application?
Apologies about all the questions but I'm actually finding it difficult to clarify.
Thanks in advance.

scut

Hi, Ok firstly yes primary school teaching does count as hours, unfortunately there is no points for tefl and it doesn't count as teaching hours. I know people who did the hdip in England and it is recognised here, even though you only do one subject, once you have a degree in your other subject you can teach that here too. Hope that helps

cokemon

It does, thanks a million.

Nead21

As far as im aware, teaching tefl does count as teaching hours.....i used it when i applied for my HDip last year

peewee18988

I am waiting to see if i have my place on the h-dip programme or not. i submitted my application in December and included hours for everything I did in the school (TEFL, special ed classes, sport, etc). It was all accepted.

MissLe

The PGCE from the UK is recognised here but to be fully qualified you have to do a little exam on the Irish Education System. Until you pass this exam you will be on an 'unqualified' rate of pay. Once you pass they might back date your pay, not yoo sure about this though.

Emmi

Hiya, teaching a group of people in a classroom environment is what is taken into account, regardless of whether it is in primary or secondary school. The TEFL course itself will not be taken for points purposes but the teaching hours you have done will be. The PGDE is recognised here but you have to do a make up module, the people to talk to about that are the Teaching Council. Their number is 016517900

andybell

Hey

Can anyone tell me if they know if a Degree in Journalism is acceoted by the Teaching Council of Irealand for the H Dip in Secondary School teaching? I am applying to have my degree reviewed and am curious if anyone else has had a Journalism degree reviwed for the same purpose.

Also the same question for the post-primary course in Queens university in Belfast?

Thanks

Nead21

have you checked the cao website?

andybell

No. Its not really a CAO thing.

I spoke to the teaching council of Ireland and they said that they would review my course etc, but i am a bit nervous and would like to know if anyone has done a degree in Journalism and then been accepted by the teaching council of Ireland for the H Dip course.

Thanks for the response!!

maynooth_rules

MissLe wrote: »

The PGCE from the UK is recognised here but to be fully qualified you have to do a little exam on the Irish Education System. Until you pass this exam you will be on an 'unqualified' rate of pay. Once you pass they might back date your pay, not yoo sure about this though.

Is this true.....about the unqualified rate of pay

peanuthead

I would just like to clarify one thing that has been said before and to highlight one that hasn't.

About your TEFL course. It will be recognised for points IF it was a full-time one year certificate course at least. If not, then it will not be recognised. I had a one year full time TEFL course completed from UCD at the time of my application and I received one extra point for it.

And about the English colleges - not all are recognised. You need to be very careful when choosing and keep in regular contact with the Teaching council. They are the ones that will be able to tell you whether or not the college you wish to complete the course in will give you a qualification that can be translated.

About the translation. Well, if you do your DIP in England you will have to sit an exam on the History of the Irish Education system. But that's not all you have to do before you will be eligible to be 'qualified' here in Ireland. You also have to get your qualification 'translated' or 'approved' if you like. This can cost between 200 and 400 euros. Only after this will you be eligible for the qualified rate of pay. This is backdated, but I can't imagine they are too quick to do so.

Toto Wolfcastle

peanuthead wrote: »

I would just like to clarify one thing that has been said before and to highlight one that hasn't.

About your TEFL course. It will be recognised for points IF it was a full-time one year certificate course at least. If not, then it will not be recognised. I had a one year full time TEFL course completed from UCD at the time of my application and I received one extra point for it.

And about the English colleges - not all are recognised. You need to be very careful when choosing and keep in regular contact with the Teaching council. They are the ones that will be able to tell you whether or not the college you wish to complete the course in will give you a qualification that can be translated.

About the translation. Well, if you do your DIP in England you will have to sit an exam on the History of the Irish Education system. But that's not all you have to do before you will be eligible to be 'qualified' here in Ireland. You also have to get your qualification 'translated' or 'approved' if you like. This can cost between 200 and 400 euros. Only after this will you be eligible for the qualified rate of pay. This is backdated, but I can't imagine they are too quick to do so.

The OP started this thread nearly 2 years ago so may not see this.

I'm going to move the latest posts to a new thread.

dst1404

i do business in UL and have no hours done teaching. If i get a 2.1 degree what do you think my chances of getting a place in a hdip course

ryan28

Hi All,

I don't know if anyone can help me, but i hope so!

I currently hold a Dipolma in Sports & Leisure Management. I want to finish of the degree, but I am told by UCD that i actually could go straight and do the Masters in Sports & Excercise Management. The issue that i have is that this course is not recognised by the teaching council in Ireland, so I am not eligible to for the HDip in Ireland.

Does anyone know if I would be eligible for a place on a HDip course in England? And if I was would I be able to come back to Ireland and teach?

Anyones help would be much appreciated.

Rosita

ryan28 wrote: »

Hi All,

I don't know if anyone can help me, but i hope so!

I currently hold a Dipolma in Sports & Leisure Management. I want to finish of the degree, but I am told by UCD that i actually could go straight and do the Masters in Sports & Excercise Management. The issue that i have is that this course is not recognised by the teaching council in Ireland, so I am not eligible to for the HDip in Ireland.

Does anyone know if I would be eligible for a place on a HDip course in England? And if I was would I be able to come back to Ireland and teach?

Anyones help would be much appreciated.

I would be wary of thinking of the Teaching Council recognition as merely associated with PGDE entry. It is far more bound up in future employability. I know a person who has done the PGDE but whose degree is not recognised by the Teaching Council.

I would suggest it is pointless doing the PGDE - even if you were eligible - in England either, at least with a view to subsequent employment in Ireland if the Teaching Council does not recognise your degree. Lack of recognition of qualification with the Teaching Council is a serious show-stopper.

You don't mention what you would propose to teach but if it is PE you had in mind there is a B Sc in Physical Education offered by the University of Limerick which qualifies someone to teach PE plus another subject. That seems to be the main course recognised for that area.

peanuthead

dst1404 wrote: »

i do business in UL and have no hours done teaching. If i get a 2.1 degree what do you think my chances of getting a place in a hdip course

Business related courses were always that bit higher points wise.

Someone may want to correct me on this as I haven't visited the PAC site recently (and I'm too lazy to now!!) but I'm thinking that with no hours teaching (which are of no benefit as regards points now) and no postgrad of any kind, you would be looking for a very high 2.1 or possibly even a first to get the PGDE here.

You may want to consider going to the UK, but please read my previous post on this thread about that

peanuthead

ryan28 wrote: »

Hi All,

I don't know if anyone can help me, but i hope so!

I currently hold a Dipolma in Sports & Leisure Management. I want to finish of the degree, but I am told by UCD that i actually could go straight and do the Masters in Sports & Excercise Management. The issue that i have is that this course is not recognised by the teaching council in Ireland, so I am not eligible to for the HDip in Ireland.

Does anyone know if I would be eligible for a place on a HDip course in England? And if I was would I be able to come back to Ireland and teach?

Anyones help would be much appreciated.

Hi Ryan

The fact that your qualification is not recognised by the teaching council does actually mean that you are not eligible for the PGDE.

Unfortunately, if your degree is not recognised by the teaching council you will not successfully receive a place on a PGDE course. It is not so much that it is a requirement to be recognised by the council before starting PGDE, its more that it is a waste of time as:

if not recognised by T.C - Not eligible to teach in Ireland (soon to be enforced)

However, you should count yourself lucky. There are many 'grey area degrees' which exist within the system. Ones which are not listed as being unrecognised but in fact are and these people only find out after completion of the course (which is not good on your health, time, relationships or pocket!!)

Teaistheonlyjob

Hi All,

I have a degree from UL with a final QCA of 3.36. Can anyone tell me how many points this would amount to when applying for the Hdip?

Sorry if this has been already answered elsewhere, I had a look but can't find it.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks a mil

pathway33

Teaistheonlyjob wrote: »

Hi All,

I have a degree from UL with a final QCA of 3.36. Can anyone tell me how many points this would amount to when applying for the Hdip?

Sorry if this has been already answered elsewhere, I had a look but can't find it.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks a mil

3.36. What percentage is that? Look here >>> http://www.pac.ie/pgdeinfo/PointsCalc.php?inst=pe and say if 3.36 is 66% in an honours degree then you have 45 points. Lower if all/part of your degree is ordinary level

Teaistheonlyjob

My degree is honor level. I don't know what a QCA of 3.36 is in percentage, can anyone tell me?

Anyway I rang the PAC earlier and the lady said that at QCA of 3.36 is equal to 46 points. The points calculator for 2011 will have a QCA column and will be on the website in September.

Do you think that 46 points would be enough? I know the cut off was 43 points for NUIG this year but will the points rise?

pathway33

Any upward pressure on points should be minimised by the fact that teaching hours completed this year won't count

jemma112

Hi all

I was reading your posts and you are all very informative. Myself and my friend are hoping to apply for the hdip this year, we have just completed second year. We are both averaging out at 2.1 and at 43/44 points respectively. Should the points go up by much this year?:( Will they stay the same even? Any tips on applying, seeing as we have no teaching experience, do they look at any extra minial qualifations such as courses taken etc...

Would really appreciate any assistance given?:)

addda

Hi all,

I was just wondering can anyone outline the time frame for the application process. I know the deadline is 1st Dec about.
When are the interviews and when do they inform you that you have got a place?

I presume they have to wait until the final exam results have been received?

Rosita

addda wrote: »

Hi all,

I was just wondering can anyone outline the time frame for the application process. I know the deadline is 1st Dec about.
When are the interviews and when do they inform you that you have got a place?

I presume they have to wait until the final exam results have been received?

There isn't any interview for the NUI colleges.

They do not wait for any results. If you do not have your final results they go on the latest ones you have i.e. the results you recieved at the end of the previous academic year you completed.

scoopmine

Hey all im doing catechetics and english and I hope to get into teaching i expect to have to go over to england to qualify. I have no idea of where to go etc has anyone any advice!? I would really appreciate it!