New job looking for payslips

Galadriel

Just about to be offered a new IT job and when they make me an offer they want me to submit to them; passport photos, payslips and my birth cert :eek:

Anyone ever here off this? seems a bit ott to me!

MIN2511

Passport and birthcert okay but payslip is OTT are you sure they aren't asking for a P45? Just tell them that it's too personal and you would rather not give them

Galadriel

I did say that to the agency but was told as its for a job in the public sector a payslip is required by all new starters.

Eppie

I work in a college and had to supply those kinds of things. Depends on the company.

Bluetonic

Galadriel wrote: »

I did say that to the agency but was told as its for a job in the public sector a payslip is required by all new starters.

Just tell them you shred them after you read them after each pay day. Say you've requested a reissue of them and will forward them on when you get them - if it's the public sector you can sure no one will ever chase it up.

seamus

Some public sector jobs and contracts require odd things to verify your nationality and that kind of thing.

Giving an employer some payslips is exactly the same as giving them your P45 - there's little or no new information on a payslip.

Clytus

As seamus pointed out...P45 is exactly the same as your payslips.

How many payslips are they looking for? They would detail a salary as oppossed to a wage...shows O.T,deductions,union subs...etc...etc...

Our man in Havana

I wouldn't even give them a P45. I always ask the Revenue to send them a tax credits cert.

leeroybrown

Unusual. The only circumstance that comes to mind where payslips would be required on commencing employment is if a work permit renewal is involved.

Galadriel

They said they want one payslip to check what salary I'm on, incase I lied at the interview, they said its standard practice for jobs in the public sector.

board om

Galadriel wrote: »

They said they want one payslip to check what salary I'm on, incase I lied at the interview, they said its standard practice for jobs in the public sector.

that is a it strange. well, did you up your salary a bit when asked how much you were on?

Galadriel

I normally do but didn't for this one...lucky enough, so guess I'll just give them the payslip as I've nothing to hide.

seamus

Bond-007 wrote: »

I wouldn't even give them a P45. I always ask the Revenue to send them a tax credits cert.

If you want your tax to be correctly calculated, you will need to give your P45 to your new employer. Otherwise you'll underpay tax and will have to declare it yourself and write a big cheque at the end of the year.

Tom Dunne

Galadriel wrote: »

They said they want one payslip to check what salary I'm on, incase I lied at the interview, they said its standard practice for jobs in the public sector.

When I started in two unrelated Public Sector jobs, I didn't have to give payslips.

Sounds very strange.

leeroybrown

To be honest this still seems very unusual. I'm open to correction but I haven't come across this before and it sounds like a slightly heavy handed tactic to negotiate people down. I don't see how a current salary would have any bearing on a future job.

I'm going to stick my neck out and guess that it's the agency doing this and not the employer.

Our man in Havana

seamus wrote: »

If you want your tax to be correctly calculated, you will need to give your P45 to your new employer. Otherwise you'll underpay tax and will have to declare it yourself and write a big cheque at the end of the year.

Not if you ask for week 1/month 1 treatment, which is standard practice when you submit a P45 to the revenue. They will issue the new employer with a correct tax credits cert so everything is tickety boo at the end of the year.

I do it so that they won't know my previous salary so any tall tales won't be found out.

seamus

Don't tell lies: Less hassle

Our man in Havana

Sometimes it's a means to an end.

board om

leeroybrown wrote: »

To be honest this still seems very unusual. I'm open to correction but I haven't come across this before and it sounds like a slightly heavy handed tactic to negotiate people down. I don't see how a current salary would have any bearing on a future job.

I'm going to stick my neck out and guess that it's the agency doing this and not the employer.

it is a bit odd alright. usually they have a figure in mind that they are willling to pay someone for the position so once the candidate is within that salary bracket there shouldnt be a problem.

i dont see why the agency would have any reason to ask for the payslip. it would be of no use or relevance to them in any way what so ever.

the only thing i can think of is if it is a new position within the comapny then the Department head who did the hiring might be trying to justify paying the salary and they might want a previous payslip to show to upper management that that is really what it costs to hire someone for the position. or if the OP is replacing someone they might have been paying that person under the market value and again they might be looking for proof that it is the correct salary for that role and they are not just blowing the budget.

civis_liberalis

Galadriel wrote: »

They said they want one payslip to check what salary I'm on, incase I lied at the interview, they said its standard practice for jobs in the public sector.

Ah hang on now, that sounds like proper bull to me, it's your own business what you were being paid, in my opinion.

Surely asking for them for that reason is illegal.

Don't quote me on that, but on the face of it, it sounds very, very dodgy indeed.

I'm sure people have sued for less...

nesf

civis_liberalis wrote: »

Ah hang on now, that sounds like proper bull to me, it's your own business what you were being paid, in my opinion.

Outside of times when you tell someone what your last job paid in an interview I'd completely agree with you but honestly I don't see a problem with a company wanting to check if someone was telling the truth in the interview about how much they were paid. I'd view it no differently to wanting proof of attaining a degree etc.

civis_liberalis

nesf wrote: »

Outside of times when you tell someone what your last job paid in an interview I'd completely agree with you but honestly I don't see a problem with a company wanting to check if someone was telling the truth in the interview about how much they were paid. I'd view it no differently to wanting proof of attaining a degree etc.

What you are paid is confidential information, between you, the employer anyone that needs to know in the course of their duties within the company as regards accounts and payment of wages.

In an interview, the panel is entitled to ask if you are between the ages of 18 and 65. Information such as salary in the previous employment, I would imaginge, would be covered under the same legislation.

It is private information. I'm not sure if they are entitled to ask what your previous salary was but, you can be damn sure it's not legal to demand proof of it.

nesf

civis_liberalis wrote: »

It is private information. I'm not sure if they are entitled to ask what your previous salary was but, you can be damn sure it's not legal to demand proof of it.

But you P45, that the business is perfectly entitled to ask for, will tell them how much you were previously paid. So how do you mean that it's not legal for them to demand proof of it?

Our man in Havana

As mentioned earlier there are ways around the P45 issue which are perfectly legal from a privacy point of view.

nesf

Bond-007 wrote: »

As mentioned earlier there are ways around the P45 issue which are perfectly legal from a privacy point of view.

Sure, but the point put forward was that it's illegal for a company to see how much you were paid in a previous job, not that it's illegal for you to withhold such information. There's a very important difference between the two no?

Our man in Havana

Indeed, you are correct. They can ask away but you can disguise it if you so wished.

Tom Dunne

civis_liberalis wrote: »

It is private information. I'm not sure if they are entitled to ask what your previous salary was but, you can be damn sure it's not legal to demand proof of it.

What about qualifications? Employers can ask to see original copies of degrees.

I don't see any difference between requesting to see qualifications and requesting to see previous payslips.

Our man in Havana

Tom Dunne wrote: »

What about qualifications? Employers can ask to see original copies of degrees.

I don't see any difference between requesting to see qualifications and requesting to see previous payslips.

Qualifications are on record, the employer can find out easy enough if they are real.

Payslips are private matters. There might be deductions for stuff you would not want a future employer to know about. Private little matters like that.

If I were ever to be asked for payslips I would say I shred them.

Sure anyways a call to the previous manager/company would reveal the previous salary.

nesf

Bond-007 wrote: »

Qualifications are on record, the employer can find out easy enough if they are real.

Payslips are private matters. There might be deductions for stuff you would not want a future employer to know about. Private little matters like that.

If I were ever to be asked for payslips I would say I shred them.

Sure anyways a call to the previous manager/company would reveal the previous salary.

I don't think anyone is disputing the idea that you're entitled to privacy about deductions etc (there is no good justifiable reason for a company wanting to know about them really).

civis_liberalis

Tom Dunne wrote: »

What about qualifications? Employers can ask to see original copies of degrees.

I don't see any difference between requesting to see qualifications and requesting to see previous payslips.

It is very important for employers to verify if you are indeed qualified to do what you say are qualified to do.

nesf wrote: »

I don't think anyone is disputing the idea that you're entitled to privacy about deductions etc (there is no good justifiable reason for a company wanting to know about them really).

What you were paid in your previous job would be of huge interest to your new employer, but that does not give them the right to demand such details. Like I said before. It is personal information and would give them an unfair bargaining position.

In the interview for my last job, I was asked how much I was paid in my previous job. I didn't tell them the truth.

I knew how much I was going to get from them regardless of what I said so I just told them a figure that was about 10% more than that.

It put me in a stronger bargaining position when my pay came up for review:D

Tom Dunne

civis_liberalis wrote: »

It is very important for employers to verify if you are indeed qualified to do what you say are qualified to do.

And employer could argue it is important they don't over/under pay you for that position.

nesf

civis_liberalis wrote: »

What you were paid in your previous job would be of huge interest to your new employer, but that does not give them the right to demand such details. Like I said before. It is personal information and would give them an unfair bargaining position.

In the interview for my last job, I was asked how much I was paid in my previous job. I didn't tell them the truth.

I knew how much I was going to get from them regardless of what I said so I just told them a figure that was about 10% more than that.

It put me in a stronger bargaining position when my pay came up for review:D

Yes, but is it illegal for them to ask? I agree that there's no legal onus on an individual to furnish proof of previous earnings as far as I am aware.


I agree completely about the bargaining side of things, it does make life much easier for the potential employee if they are not required to back up their assertions from their interviews but to some limited extent employers are entitled to ask them to (I'm not sure where the line is drawn, I know claiming professional qualifications etc is one they can question).

seamus

There would be nothing illegal about asking your salary in an interview. As explained on another thread, almost any question is fair game in an interview. Some are just inadvisable.

You would of course have the right to decline to answer.

In the event that they decide not to hire you because you declined, or they insisted on seeing a payslip as part of your contract of employment, then there's a possibility that you could bring a civil case against them for breach of privacy, but it wouldn't be worth the hassle.