Motorway Service Areas

penexpers

The NRA have placed ads in todays Independant detailing the first motorway service areas they intend to apply for planning permission for. So far they have three locations

- M4 near Enfield
- M1 near Castlebellingham
- M1 near Lusk

It will be good to see them in place. This is something that has been sorely missing.

Bluetonic

The one on the M1 is at Courtlough, Balbriggan. It was granted permission last week under F07A/1639. Petrol station will be operated by Apple.

To construct a new petrol service station. The development will consist of: 1. Construction of a new two storey shop building comprising of retail area with ancillary off-licence use, food bar, storage room and office at ground floor level and seating area, toilets and storage room at first floor level; 2. Construction of a new forecourt with 6 No. pump islands and canopy over; 3. Construction of a new truck refuelling facility and canopy over; 4. Installation of 1 no. housed jet wash facility, 1 no. brush wash facility, and a single storey car wash recycling equipment building; 5. Installation of 9 no. 40,000L underground fuel tanks and associated pipeworks; 6. Installation of 1 no. main ID sign; 7. Installation of a new drainage system, interceptor traps and surface water attenuation area and, 8. Construction of ancillary site features such as trash compound, service area, signage and parking.

Roughly where zone C is www.m1.ie/zones/ Layout is different.

All details can be seen on FCC online planning

http://planning.fingalcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/wphappcriteria.display

Victor

Planning Application Details F07A/1639

Colm R

I thought there was one to be built near Kildare on the M7

L1011

Sounds like a normal Applegreen w/small Wimpey inside rather than anything approaching a European style MSA - in effect they already have one of these along the M4 (2 minutes from J6) if it was signed...

Bluetonic

Bluetonic wrote: »

It was granted permission last week under F07A/1639.

Victor wrote: »

Planning Application Details F07A/1639

Long weekend having it's effects

icdg

The Applegreen petrol station referred to will be in the M1 Business Park and not on the motorway. The NRA's application is for a site, for which there will be direct access to from the motorway. Only the NRA is allowed apply for such access (direct accesses to/from a motorway not being allowed under the Roads Act 1993).

Bluetonic

icdg wrote: »

The Applegreen petrol station referred to will be in the M1 Business Park and not on the motorway. The NRA's application is for a site, for which there will be direct access to from the motorway. Only the NRA is allowed apply for such access (direct accesses to/from a motorway not being allowed under the Roads Act 1993).

Any idea of the proposed site so?

Will there only be access from the M1 or from the R132 also.

The NRA one would be fairly close to the Applegreen one so as the townlands of Lusk that hits the M1 is small enough.

icdg

About 3km west of Lusk - the map has it approxemetly 2km (using the NRA's scale) south of Junction 5. No access from the R132, there will be employee-only (not public) access from an L-road.

Chris_533976

FWIW the motorway order for the M17 Galway - Tuam has provision for a Motorway service station at Rathmorrisey. (The fact that they're putting a service station onto a three level stacked interchange is asking for trouble but anyway).

In that, the service station will have a connection to the local road network, but it specifially states that that is for staff ONLY. That might apply here too.

1huge1

Will we be seeing these on dual carriageways aswell.

Though my closest dual carriage way is the limerick south ring and I believe they want to change that to motorway standard.

Would be handy having a service station there.

icdg

Only really on remaining HQDCs -if any - after the rest of the network is reclassified motorway. The thing about non-motorway dual carriageways is that anyone is in theory allowed to apply for planning premission for a petrol station. Most non-motorway dual carriageways (in Greater Dublin at any rate) have some sort of petrol station on them (if not a couple).

lostexpectation

still don't know how they can justify not having rest areas/lay bys

Victor

Two M1 service areas, but both listed as being in Louth.

http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/HA0011.htm
http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/HA0012.htm

And M4.

http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/HA0010.htm

Colonel Sanders

In terms of these service areas will there be any form of price controls/regulation in place (asume not)?

Looking at prices charged in some 'captive markets' such as airports I can't imagine I'll use them too much!!

Bluetonic

Breakfast Roll Man gets grub guarantee

Wednesday July 09 2008

Two cafes planned for truckers on the M1 have been given the go-ahead on the condition they serve the breakfast roll beloved of truck drivers, builders and commuters.

The National Roads Authority (NRA) is to include a mandatory requirement that restaurants to be based at two service stations on the M1 must sell the popular jumbo breakfast roll, immortalised in song by comedian Pat Shortt.

Outlining the "mandatory contract requirements" for operators of the rest areas, Pat Maher, of the NRA, told a planning hearing yesterday that the main restaurant to be located on site would serve a full breakfast, "including breakfast rolls", which are made up of sausages, bacon and egg.

But he said the health conscious would also be catered for, as a "healthy breakfast alternative" must also be provided.

The NRA plans to build at least a dozen rest areas on the country's motorways and dual carriageways at intervals of 60km apart. Each would provide food, toilet facilities, a shop, petrol station, picnic area and rest areas for long-haul drivers. They would be open 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.

The rest areas will also include space for gardai and the RSA to conduct checks on vehicles.

Yesterday, a public hearing into proposals for two areas was opened. It is proposed to build the M1 North at Whiterath, south of Blackrock in Co Louth and between Dublin and Balbriggan, and the M1 South, which is east of Lusk in north Dublin and between Castlebellingham and Dundalk.

The NRA's head of corporate affairs, Michael Egan, told An Bord Pleanala Inspector Brendan Devlin that up to 20pc of all traffic accidents were as a direct result of driver fatigue, and that the rest areas would offer drivers an opportunity to rest before continuing their journeys.

Although it was expected that the private sector would bring forward proposals to build the rest areas, interest shown was "tentative and sporadic".

The poor progress led the NRA to identify 12 possible areas and the authority began acquiring sites.

There were over 80 submissions from the public on the plans, with some objections relating to work being carried out on the 'Red Bog' near Dromiskin. Objectors will give evidence today

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/breakfast-roll-man-gets-grub-guarantee-1429938.html

Cookie_Monster

Bluetonic wrote: »

The rest areas will also include space for gardai and the RSA to conduct checks on vehicles.

OT but do the RSA have the authority to stop and conduct checks on vehicles?

murphaph

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

OT but do the RSA have the authority to stop and conduct checks on vehicles?

Not that I kno of. The rules (up to recently anyway) allowed the following persons ONLY to stop your vehicle:
-Gardai
-School crossing wardens
-Persons in charge of roadworks
-Persons in charge of animals

...and I think that's it?

Bluetonic

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

OT but do the RSA have the authority to stop and conduct checks on vehicles?

Could be for the RSA to check RSA vehicles :rolleyes:

probe

I read somewhere that the NRA will require motorway service area contractors to supply "bacon rolls". Yuk! Ireland will be the last country in Europe to get motorway service areas, and it looks as if they will be modelled on Britain's tacky motorway service areas (designed in the 1960s).

Ireland gets very poor value for money from public service monopolies like the NRA. Unrefreshing dated thinking. One has to wonder why people put up with it?

Increasingly one thinks that part of the problem might be the unrefreshing dated Irish media. A nasty cocktail of British tabloid rubbish and boring, uncritical, unimaginative, badly designed traditional broadsheets that plays the same "meat and potatoes" stories over and over in directionless Ireland.

.probe

Hotblack Desiato

murphaph wrote: »

Not that I kno of. The rules (up to recently anyway) allowed the following persons ONLY to stop your vehicle:
-Gardai
-School crossing wardens
-Persons in charge of roadworks
-Persons in charge of animals

...and I think that's it?

So the RSA employ one man and one donkey, man with donkey orders you to stop and then the RSA inspectors move in on your vehicle

Hotblack Desiato

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

OT but do the RSA have the authority to stop and conduct checks on vehicles?

Whatever about the power to stop part, they do have the power to inspect goods vehicles, they've taken this function over from the Dept. of Transport.

Carawaystick

Is the northern service area on the M1 still going to be North of the N33 junction, so Tyrone, Derry and Donegal bound traffic can't use it an the NRA can waste money building a parallel road from Ashbourne to Ardee?

Amtmann

Any updates on these service stations? Has construction started?

What about the M3, M7, M8, and M9?

I've heard that the M8 service area will be close to Exits 10 or 11, but that is just a rumour.

Are they going to be open 24-hours so, including on public holidays such as Christmas?

childoforpheus

Furet wrote: »

Any updates on these service stations? Has construction started?

What about the M3, M7, M8, and M9?

I've heard that the M8 service area will be close to Exits 10 or 11, but that is just a rumour.

Are they going to be open 24-hours so, including on public holidays such as Christmas?

Looks like there is going to be another between Junctions 13 and 14 on the M8 Mitchelstown to Fermoy scheme. There was an article in the local paper a few weeks ago that claimed that the NRA had acquired some land near the Kilworth Camp.

Amtmann

childoforpheus wrote: »

Looks like there is going to be another between Junctions 13 and 14 on the M8 Mitchelstown to Fermoy scheme. There was an article in the local paper a few weeks ago that claimed that the NRA had acquired some land near the Kilworth Camp.

They should build it now while the road is still under construction.

childoforpheus

That would require forward thinking!:D I agree its stupid not to have it built along with the road.

BluntGuy

childoforpheus wrote: »

That would require forward thinking!:D I agree its stupid not to have it built along with the road.

I wonder what's going to end happening when they do eventually decide to build it? What a mess the situation will be...

darkman2

http://www.nra.ie/Publications/ServicesAreasEIS/M1NorthMotorwayServiceArea/


EIS downloads for M1/M4 service areas here - you can also see proposed layouts.


Note - M4 service area can be viewed by clicking it in the menu on the left hand side. Just scroll down a bit.

Amtmann

Many thanks! If you look at page 25 of the document linked to here: http://www.nra.ie/Publications/ServicesAreasEIS/M1SouthMotorwayServiceArea/file,14391,en.pdf , the proposed service areas for all the motorways are indicated. On the M8, one is proposed just south of Cashel (Junction 9), and another one is indeed planned for somewhere between Junctions 13 and 14 as childoforpheus said.

The question is, will the interurbans be busy enough to justify all of these?

Chris_533976

mmm not really. The Fermoy one should just be a piss stop and a garage, make the one near Cashel a full restaurant.