van Damme shows how hard he really is!

ryoishin

http://www.break.com/index/van_damme_hides_a_boner.html


Watch til the end.

Nothingcompares

nice dancing

"if you can't dance you can't fight"

Lockstep

Wasn't he beaten up once by Chuck Zito (who played Chucky Pancamo in Oz?)

sheldonparkgym

Chuck Zito is a former Golden Gloves champ and Hells Angel - he'd probably take out most MMA fighters in a street fight, let alone Van Damme.

HammerHeadGym

Yes, fat 55 year old amateur boxers are the scourge of the MMA world.

sheldonparkgym

Street fights, assults and bar-room brawls are just a little bit different from a MMA fight, don't you think? His bodyfat level and age hardly come into it if, as with many assaults, it's over in a matter of seconds - e.g. one totally unexpected knock out punch.

Tito Ortiz would surely crush Lee Murray in an MMA match - didn't stop Murray knocking him clean out in the street brawl they had.

FiannaGym.com

Ortiz and Murry didnt have a "street brawl" a drunk Tito was sucker punched by Murray. Thats all.

It's also completely pointless to talk about someone being in someway tough or a good "fighter" because they could blindside someone.

Peace

O'Leprosy

sheldonparkgym wrote: »

Street fights, assults and bar-room brawls are just a little bit different from a MMA fight, don't you think? His bodyfat level and age hardly come into it if, as with many assaults, it's over in a matter of seconds - e.g. one totally unexpected knock out punch.

Tito Ortiz would surely crush Lee Murray in an MMA match - didn't stop Murray knocking him clean out in the street brawl they had.

Tito, or anyone else for that matter, getting into a very drunken brawl at 4.00 in the morning after coming out of a night club is hardly a good measure of an MMA fighter's ability in a street fight. It was probaly a better measure of Murray's to hold his drink and remain less drunk than Tito.

Here is the account of the brawl from Matt Hughes autobiography “Made in America” - Notice he describes Pat ( Miletich ? ) as " He was smashed....He could barely stand." Doubt if Tito was much better, though Chuck Liddell seemed to give a good account of himself whatever state he was in

I took a cab back to the hotel and got to bed. Our flight was leaving early in the morning. I got woken up a couple of hours later by Pat knocking on my door. He was smashed.

“Pat, what’s going on?” I said, grinning to myself. He could barely stand.

“What time is it?” I asked.

“It’s like, five. Don’t worry about it. Just sit down and f***ing listen. You will not believe what just happened.”

I laid on my side of the bed. Pat plopped into the chair in the hotel room and leaned his head back.

“So it’s four o’clock in the morning and they had everybody leave the club, right? Well, the UFC had bussed us all over there but they didn’t have a bus to take us back.

“It’s down to Mark, me, Tony Fryklund, Chuck Liddell, Tito and Lee Murray. Lee Murray’s crew was still there, Tito’s crew was also still there.

“I walked out the back door to go in the alley. Tito’s buddy jumped on my back. He jumped on my back and acted ,like he had me in a choke hold, just messing around, you know?

“Then I felt him get ripped off of me. I turned around and Tony Fryklund had HIM in a chokehold, and was really choking him.

“The guy looked like a mouse that just got trapped in a mousetrap; his eyes were popping out and obviously he wasn’t breathing.

“Tony thought he was actually attacking me – that’s the only reason he did it. So I turned round and told Tony to let him go, and Tony let him go.

“Then Tito’s buddy turned around and basically said ‘what the f*** are you doing?’ to Tony.

“Well, when he said that, one of Lee Murray’s buddies, that one guy who kind of took care of us all week long, thought this guy was actually trying to fight us, so he ran out of the crowd and cracked this kid with a right hand and knocked him out cold.”

“Are you serious?” I asked Pat.

“Hold on, it gets even better. The entire alley erupted into a huge brawl. I was just standing there, and there were bodies flying all over the place.

“I was confused how it all happened, because it happened so fast. I was standing there with my mouth open like ‘what the hell is going on?’

“I looked over and Chuck Liddell was with his back against the wall, knocking people out that were trying to go after him.

“Then I looked over and there’s Tito directly past me, taking his coat off, going after Lee Murray, and Lee Murray’s backing up the alley taking his jacket off.

“Both their jackets come off, and Tito throws a left hook at Lee Murray and misses, and right as he missed, Lee Murray counters with, like, a five-punch combo, landed right on the chin, and knocked Tito out. OUT.

“Tito fell face-first down to the ground, and then Lee Murray stomped him on the face a couple of times with his boots.

“Then Tony Fryklund and I grabbed Lee and pushed Lee and said ‘Get out of here!’ And Lee said ‘I’m sorry, I’ll see you later,’ and took off. And Tony Fryklund helped Tito to his feet.

“Then these English Bobbies showed up and they were threatening to spray the entire crowd with huge canisters of mace. ‘You think you’ve got problems now?’ I said. ‘You spray this entire group of fighters with mace and we’ll all be in a heap of trouble.’

“So I talked the police out of doing that. And then Tony and I got a cab and we headed back here.”

“That’s insane, Pat.” I said.

“Long story short, Matt: I’m ready to get on that plane, pronto.”

sheldonparkgym

FiannaGym.com wrote:

It's also completely pointless to talk about someone being in someway tough or a good "fighter" because they could blindside someone.

I totally agree - there are many factors involved in a street fight or bar brawl. Who really knows what happened with Van Damme and Zito - maybe Zito suckerpunched or blindsided him. Van Damme also has a long history of both alcohol and cocaine abuse - if he was arrogantly mouthing off, I'm sure he was a very easy target for Chuck, who I imagine would have very little patience if Van Damme was insulting him.

I don't think it's simply a matter of a action moviestar getting his ass handed to him by a fat, 55 year old guy...

ryoishin

of all the things that get the mma and street arguement going i did nt think van dammes boner would do it.

Clive

ryoishin wrote: »

of all the things that get the mma and street arguement going i did nt think van dammes boner would do it.

LMAO!

Roper

ryoishin wrote: »

of all the things that get the mma and street arguement going i did nt think van dammes boner would do it.

Well maybe people are just trying to get something straight between them...

...no that's rubbish let me think of another one...

Yeah okay...

Maybe people want to stand erect and stick up for themsel...

Ah no never mind... there's surely a few double entendres in there but I can't think of them.

sheldonparkgym

You guys shouldn't be so hard on Van Damme.....

Dragan

O'Leprosy wrote: »

Tito, or anyone else for that matter, getting into a very drunken brawl at 4.00 in the morning after coming out of a night club is hardly a good measure of an MMA fighter's ability in a street fight.

Personally i think a drunken brawl outside a club is an EXCELLENT indicator of someone's ability in a street fight since that is where most of them happen!

Besides, everyone knows Yanks can't hold their drinks!!!

Lee Murray via Calling Time!

sheldonparkgym

Dragan wrote: »

Personally i think a drunken brawl outside a club is an EXCELLENT indicator of someone's ability in a street fight since that is where most of them happen!

That was pretty much my original point - fighting when very drunk is most likely what Chuck Zito did all the time when he was in the Hells Angels - its his world. I'm sure he beat a lot of infinitely better fighters who were silly enough to get in a confrontation with him while they were pissed.

ryoishin

Anything can happen in a scrap, every dog has its day.

His own bodyguard knocked him out once.

HammerHeadGym

Weel OP there's a world of differrence between a street fight and Giving some drunk a sly smack to get the better of him. Having done trad martial arts, doorwork and competetive combat sports I would have to say the latter is the most effective physical training for street fights. And I reckon Chucky Zito would have a lot of trouble putting any of the modern crop of mma fighters down.

ryoishin

hammerheadgym,

Sure I know i did them with you! Im saying when i hear stories about this guy did that in a bar to that other guy Im never surprised who bashed who (or slapped or whatever). I dont think it reflects them as a fighter. A drunken bar suitation is just that. As you say theres a world of difference between athletic skill and using it working under stress. If the same bar scrap broke out the following week you might get a different outcome.

What Im saying is anyone can bottle you from behind while you locked over the bar.

Jeeeeze the power of van dammes boner!

Dragan

ryoishin wrote: »

Jeeeeze the power of van dammes boner!

The real question is which would be worse, a bottle in the face or VD's boner in the face?

These's are the question that haunt us.

Valmont

thanks for the story o leprosy, that was really interesting. The image of Chuck Liddell against a wall knocking punks out is mad.

If UFC could somehow get the footage of tito being knocked out cold by lee murray, it would be the biggest selling PPV of all time. I'd buy it.

Dragan

Valmont wrote: »

thanks for the story o leprosy, that was really interesting. The image of Chuck Liddell against a wall knocking punks out is mad.

Remember after the Cage invasion after Cabbage vs Tank, watch real closely and you'll see Chuck backing up with a circle of people around him afraid to go anywhere close!

HammerHeadGym

Oops! Sorry Ryoishin, I meant Sheldonpark.

O'Leprosy

sheldonparkgym wrote: »

That was pretty much my original point - fighting when very drunk is most likely what Chuck Zito did all the time when he was in the Hells Angels - its his world. I'm sure he beat a lot of infinitely better fighters who were silly enough to get in a confrontation with him while they were pissed.

True the Hells Angels do more than their fair share of drunken pub brawling, no doubt about it. I read the biograhy of the founder, Sonny Barger, it's called Hell's Angel, of them in Oakland in the late 50's. The Angels in the late 50's and 60's were known as phenomenal street fighters, they literally brawled, knifed and shot their way to become the top of the food chain among motorbike gangs in California. Barger himself was obviously an extremely tough individual, 12 years in prison for his activites, and I have no doubt he would have been an MMA fighter if MMA had been around in his earlier days.
I know is getting off subject, but they have setup in Belfast, and I suppose they will probably setup in Dublin soon enough. Let's be careful out there....

http://www.hellsangelsbelfast.com/

Dragan

As far as i am aware there is a prett big gulf between the two incarnations of the Hell's Angels name.....the actually criminal bike gangs and the corportate t-shirt machine that was set up by a man who managed to get the permission to do so.

sheldonparkgym

Dragan wrote: »

As far as i am aware there is a prett big gulf between the two incarnations of the Hell's Angels name.....the actually criminal bike gangs and the corportate t-shirt machine that was set up by a man who managed to get the permission to do so.

I'd imagine that in order to get their permission, the Hell's Angels "negotiated" a cut of the profits