Out half problems

dc69

seeing as we have no out halfs to cover for ogara should something happen or for wc 2011 he is too old.

am I crazy or can a person be converted into an out half? like once someone has a good boot,good pass could we just make them an out half?
get someone to train their kicking skills ,kicking posts isnt an issue as loads of players can and someone on the team could do it,if the new fake out half coudnt.

could you take a player like kearney or fitzgerald and turn them into an out half?I think hernandez for argentina is a 15 and they had him at out half keeping out contepomi?who in turn kicked the goals
I amnt a coach so dont slate me for asking could fitz or kearney be converted to out half for country?lol similar to argentinas setup

zAbbo

1. We have Jonathan Sexton, who would have got capped if it wasn't for injury, and possibilities with Niall O'Connor, Ian Keatley, Ian Humphries and Andy Dunne

2. Moving Hernandez to FH, allowed Argentina to accomodate Corletto at FB, and Felipe at IC where he is best suited to.

Nukem

Eoghan Hickey (LI), Paul Warrick (possibly) - we have a fair few players that need to be exposed at high level.

Stev_o

And what matches do we have to blood any of them in? Yeah thats right against the SH teams, none of them is up to the standard of international rugby, the only one that would be safest option at the moment would be Andy Dunne

GreenHell

Sexton is probably ROG's natural successor, hopefully he'll be fit and playing well again for the summer tests.

Outside of that, I think we need to bring Ian Humphreys home and get him playing HEC for Ulster.

dc69

it would have been good too see sexton in an Ireland shirt alrightHe looks like he has a bright future,i only asked the question because they might not be good enough but I suppose they would still be better than a botched replacement

GreenHell

We need to take some risks with out halfs to be honest. We're relying on ROG far too much, these guys need to be given a chance to step up to the plate and see how they do.

Nothingcompares

From what I've seen of Eoghan Hickey at LI he looks legit. Certainly a possibility.

Stev_o

dc69 wrote: »

it would have been good too see sexton in an Ireland shirt alrightHe looks like he has a bright future,i only asked the question because they might not be good enough but I suppose they would still be better than a botched replacement

How many HC matches did Sexton start this season? I just remember him coming on against Leicester in Welford Road and having Rabeni injure him.

zAbbo

Playing Sexton would mean dropping Contempomi or D'Arcy at that stage.

RuggieBear

warwick is not eligible to play for Ireland.

Sexton has potential but his kicking from hand is too slow still.

Podge_irl

Nukem wrote: »

Eoghan Hickey (LI), Paul Warrick (possibly) - we have a fair few players that need to be exposed at high level.

Warwick isn't eligible to play for Ireland.

Playing Sexton would mean dropping Contempomi or D'Arcy at that stage.

With D'Arcy/BOD out right now at least that won't be an issue. hopefully Sexton will be back soon. Leinster seem to play better with a 10.Sexton/12.Conters midfield anyway.

Stev_o

But the problem is that Sexton doesnt kick for Leinster so how do we then go about rating his goal kicking? Thats why id be weary to start him in a Irish jersey .

davyjose

Stev_o wrote: »

How many HC matches did Sexton start this season? I just remember him coming on against Leicester in Welford Road and having Rabeni injure him.

That's not his fault. The IRFU are accountable for that. At the end of the day he is the best opportunity we have to develop a World Class Fly-half. As a Leinster fan I don't want to see Pomi or D'Arcy dropped but some kind of rotation is a must if we don't want to end up like Italy with that guy Masi.

Stev_o wrote: »

But the problem is that Sexton doesnt kick for Leinster so how do we then go about rating his goal kicking? Thats why id be weary to start him in a Irish jersey .

The guy actually has a decent boot on him, but yeah, he needs to be let use it. He needs to be brought on when games are wrapped up, he needs to play against lesser teams, and risks need to be taken now and again by playing him against some of the bigger teams. This is what Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger do in the Premier League, why should this league, and sport, be different?

toomevara

Eoghan Hickey's been playing some tidy rugby for LI this season...watched him against Wasps at the weekend, not a bad performance at all....

davyjose

Here's another thing - I'm watching the Muster Schools final right now, and Castletroy<sp?>, who look to be a very capable team (no expert on school's Rugby, but they must be one of the best young sides in the country, from the last 15 mins I've watched). And guess what??? Their Number 5 is taking all their kicks!!!

Now I ask you? At that level that is just wrong. And people ask where all the young Fly-halves are. The best young side in what is probably the best Rugby-playing province in this country and they don't have a kicking Fly-half.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

dc69

davyjose wrote: »

The best young side in what is probably the best Rugby-playing province in this country and they don't have a kicking Fly-half.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

hold on:)
I bet belvo would beat the winner of the munster schools final

davyjose

dc69 wrote: »

hold on:)
I bet belvo would beat the winner of the munster schools final

Yeah, I hear their loose-head has a great boot on him

Stev_o

Forwards that take kicks are internally confused and should never be considered real forwards, unless your Zinzan Brooke but thats a different story

Podge_irl

davyjose wrote: »

As a Leinster fan I don't want to see Pomi or D'Arcy dropped but some kind of rotation is a must if we don't want to end up like Italy with that guy Masi.

I do. Seriously, Leinster seem to play better with Conters in midfield (he's a better 12 than 10) and Leinster are often desperately in need of a controlling out-half, something Conters clearly isn't. It means dropping/rotating one of D'Arcy or O'Driscoll, but c'est la vie. I can think of worse situations to be in.

dc69

contepomi is a better 12 than darcy anyway,wouldnt bother me

davyjose

Apart from the fact that this thread is about developing Irish players, not foreign ones.

Podge_irl

davyjose wrote: »

Apart from the fact that this thread is about developing Irish players, not foreign ones.

Which Leinster would be doing by playing Conters at 12 and giving game time to Sexton at 10. It does leave a problem at IC though, but the D'Arcy/BOD axis was hardly setting the world alight anymore.

Goodluck2me

Id love to see hickey get a run out too.

Spaceman Spiff

Sexton's injuries will be the biggest obstacle in his development, but I think Niall O'Connor will be the future fly half of Ireland anyway. The Churchill Cup should be a good development tool for him. I think it would be better used on him rather than Dunne or Humphreys.

twinytwo

dc69 wrote: »

seeing as we have no out halfs to cover for ogara should something happen or for wc 2011 he is too old.

am I crazy or can a person be converted into an out half? like once someone has a good boot,good pass could we just make them an out half?
get someone to train their kicking skills ,kicking posts isnt an issue as loads of players can and someone on the team could do it,if the new fake out half coudnt.

could you take a player like kearney or fitzgerald and turn them into an out half?I think hernandez for argentina is a 15 and they had him at out half keeping out contepomi?who in turn kicked the goals
I amnt a coach so dont slate me for asking could fitz or kearney be converted to out half for country?lol similar to argentinas setup

whats the point.. wallace was never given game time.. 5 caps for how many years of service..everyone one else will be treated the same

Spaceman Spiff

twinytwo wrote: »

whats the point.. wallace was never given game time.. 5 caps for how many years of service..everyone one else will be treated the same

Well hopefully with a new coach they'd have enough foresight to give their backup fly half more than 3 minutes a game when he does get capped.

twinytwo

Spaceman Spiff wrote: »

Well hopefully with a new coach they'd have enough foresight to give their backup fly half more than 3 minutes a game when he does get capped.

U are assuming they get rid of his ass... I mean to buy him out will cost a fortune. Money they may not have.If he dosent resign we are truly screwed

Stev_o

twinytwo wrote: »

U are assuming they get rid of his ass... I mean to buy him out will cost a fortune. Money they may not have.If he dosent resign we are truly screwed

Not to mention then cleaning up the backroom staff, then hiring a new coach and a new backroom staff its going to cost the IRFU more then they have.

zAbbo

The IRFU have the money, they've been squirrelling it away for years.

Eddie will get the boot this week, hopefully along with all of his back room staff, but we'll probably just get a cost effective replacement.

Spaceman Spiff

twinytwo wrote: »

U are assuming they get rid of his ass... I mean to buy him out will cost a fortune. Money they may not have.If he dosent resign we are truly screwed

I guess I'm the eternal optimist that way. Either that the IRFU has enough cash, Eddie realizes he's crap or both.