lifejackets on planes wtf??

pebbles21

why do they give you life jackets on plane when in all probability if the plane crashed into the sea your not going to make it!!!would they not be better off giving us parachutes???

Feral Mutant

In case the plane has to make an emergency landing while over sea, I assume

jb91

pebbles21 wrote: »

why do they give you life jackets on plane when in all probability if the plane crashed into the sea your not going to make it!!!would they not be better off giving us parachutes???

It would kinda suck if you crashed into the sea and survived only to drown minutes later

JC 2K3

It's a lot more likely that a plane would have a technical fault forcing the pilot to have to make a controlled emergency landing in the sea rather than a plane crashing into the sea

jb91

JC 2K3 wrote: »

It's a lot more likely that a plane would have a technical fault forcing the pilot to have to make a controlled emergency landing in the sea rather than a plane crashing into the sea

Just answering the OP's question!

JC 2K3

I was too, we posted at exactly the same time

jb91

JC 2K3 wrote: »

I was too, we posted at exactly the same time

lol Sorry

pebbles21

jb91 wrote: »

It would kinda suck if you crashed into the sea and survived only to drown minutes later

yeah but the cold would kill ya in minutes anyhow afaik i dont think there has been any successful sea landing but correct me if there was!

cooperguy

I forget where I heard the statistic but its a tiny % of planes that emergency land in the sea dont kill everyone in the landing anyway.

<edit> ^^What pebbles21 said!! ^^

javaboy

Yeah you have to root around for ages on Ryanair's website to find the checkbox to say you don't want one. Otherwise you're charged automatically. I hate those opt-outs rather than opt-ins. Feckers looking out for my safety :mad:

bitemybanger

:DI dont mind the lifejackets but what gets me is the seatbelts
Maybee so if you were to crash, they could identify you by your seat number that you are straped to

javaboy

bitemybanger wrote: »

:DI dont mind the lifejackets but what gets me is the seatbelts
Maybee so if you were to crash, they could identify you by your seat number that you are straped to

In bad turbulence it stops you breaking your face on the seat in front of you for one thing.

Pigwidgeon

i somehow don't think you would be complaining if that very life jacket saved your life one day.

yeah but the cold would kill ya in minutes anyhow afaik i dont think there has been any successful sea landing but correct me if there was!

alot of planes also have lifeboats in which case you probably wouldnt freeze, you'd be cold but alive and there could be ships nearby

Doctor DooM

Surely if the lifejacket/ seatbelts have saved exactly 1 person in their history, then they are worth it?

Silverfish

Apparently the reason they make you put your head down for an emergency landing, is so your face is protected and they can identify the body better.

pebbles21

alot of planes also have lifeboats

what will they have next parachutes on boats;)

pebbles21

Silverfish wrote: »

Apparently the reason they make you put your head down for an emergency landing, is so your face is protected and they can identify the body better.

not if your burnt to crisp they wont !!!i heard that before think it was dental records or something but i think its a urban myth:)

Ruu_Old

pebbles21 wrote: »

alot of planes also have lifeboats

what will they have next parachutes on boats;)

They have slides like these, that turn into boats. Someone was chatting while the flight attendant was giving the safety demonstration!

OPENROAD

Silverfish wrote: »

Apparently the reason they make you put your head down for an emergency landing, is so your face is protected and they can identify the body better.

Or maybe the correct brace position could actually save your life.

Pigwidgeon

pebbles21 wrote: »

alot of planes also have lifeboats

what will they have next parachutes on boats;)

inflatable lifeboats...
strap a bit ol' wooden one to the wing!

pebbles21

Ruu wrote: »

They have slides like these, that turn into boats. Someone was chatting while the flight attendant was giving the safety demonstration!

lol never heard of that seriously and i fly to the uk at least once a week for my job !!must listen more in future!:D

Kold

Really? This is everyone's problem? Not the queuing for 2 hours and then rectal searches as they confiscate all your stuff in order to force you to buy it from the airport stores?

javaboy

I wouldn't bother with the brace position/life jackets/life boats or any of that tbh. Based on what I've learned from popular culture, if you do manage to survive a plane crash, you will either form rival gangs and try to kill each other, have to resort to cannibalism to survive or (and this is the worst case of all).... you will survive as a fat guy on an island populated by unrealistically good looking people... you will encounter a polar bear for some stupid reason... you will be stuck on the island for ages with little to eat and working all day in the scorching heat but despite this you won't lose any weight... you still won't score even though you're on an unpopulated island and chicks will be less picky.... you will have to enter lotto numbers into a machine at regular intervals for some stupid reason etc etc.

Basically it's not fun.

Doctor DooM

Kold wrote: »

Really? This is everyone's problem? Not the queuing for 2 hours and then rectal searches as they confiscate all your stuff in order to force you to buy it from the airport stores?

Dude, that rectal search thing is just you.

Guy:Incognito

Kold wrote: »

Really? This is everyone's problem? Not the queuing for 2 hours and then rectal searches as they confiscate all your stuff in order to force you to buy it from the airport stores?

Yeah the EU brought in that law at the request of duty free shops.

Sierra Oscar

To make you feel good.

javaboy

I'm in favour of these stringent laws. Any rectums found during these searches should be confiscated. There's too many a$$h0les on planes these days anyway

Irishpimpdude

What use is any safety equipment on a plane, if its gonna crash all you have to do is stick your head between your legs and kiss your arse goodbye

Earthhorse

They should just keep a spare plane on the plane; problem solved.

iFight

Earthhorse wrote: »

They should just keep a spare plane on the plane; problem solved.

And possibly a smaller plane inside that plane. Or even better, a bigger plane within that plane, which has plenty of foot room. And proper sized cans.

Earthhorse

iFight wrote: »

And possibly a smaller plane inside that plane.

Yep, the Russians have been doing this for years.

iFight

Earthhorse wrote: »

Yep, the Russians have been doing this for years.

They're always one step ahead... But we're still better. Obviously.

Rabies

Life jackets are help your lifeless body get spotted and recovered.

Jim_Are_Great

The reason you're supposed to adopt the brace position is so that when you crash, your neck breaks and you don't suffer a painful, protracted death.

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Krieg

In the unlikely event of loss of power on all 4 engines, the plane, in all probability, will go into the ground like a ****ing dart.
We would be obliged if you would wear a life jacket, this will do you no good at all. But when archaeologists find you, they will think there was a river here.

-Billy Connolly

javaboy

Asbad wrote: »

In the unlikely event of loss of power on all 4 engines, the plane, in all probability, will go into the ground like a ****ing dart.
We would be obliged if you would wear a life jacket, this will do you no good at all. But when archaeologists find you, they will think there was a river here.

-Billy Connolly

I have an old Billy Connolly CD where he does a similar bit about the pillow/cushion they used to give you under your seat for emergencies. It went along the lines of "What do you do when you're flying into a mountain at 600mp/h? Everybody throw them at once and say 'GO AWAY NASTY MOUNTAIN!'"

Tis funny when Billy says it

tolosenc

Brace position is to brake your arms, so you definitely die. Dead people tend not to sue...

phantom_lord

it's to make you feel better.

testicle

pebbles21 wrote: »

yeah but the cold would kill ya in minutes anyhow afaik i dont think there has been any successful sea landing but correct me if there was!

Examples of water landings in which passengers survived are:

* In 6 Aug 2005, Tuninter 1153 (an ATR 72) ditched off the Sicilian coast after running out of fuel. Of 39 aboard, 20 survived with injuries including serious burns. The plane's wreck was found in three pieces.

* In 2002, Garuda Indonesia Flight 421 (a Boeing 737) successfully ditched into the Bengawan Solo River near Yogyakarta, Java Island after experiencing a twin engine flameout during heavy precipitation and hail. The pilots tried to restart the engines several times before taking the decision to ditch the aircraft. Of the 60 occupants, one, a flight attendant, was killed. Photographs taken shortly after evacuation show that the plane came to rest in knee-deep water.

* In 1996, Ethiopian 961 (a 767-200ER) ditched in shallow water 500 meters from land after being hijacked and running out of fuel. Unable to operate flaps, it impacted at high speed, dragging its left wingtip before tumbling and breaking into three pieces. The panicking hijackers were fighting the pilots for the control of the plane at the time of the impact, which caused the plane to roll just before hitting the water, and the subsequent wingtip hitting the water and breakup are a result of this struggle in the cockpit. Of 175 on board, 52 survived. Some passengers were killed on impact or trapped in the cabin when they inflated their life vests before exiting. Most of the survivors were found hanging onto a section of the fuselage that remained floating.

* Bristow Flight 56C - Jan 19, 1995

* In 1970, ALM Flight 980 (a DC-9-33CF) ditched in mile-deep water after running out of fuel during multiple attempts to land at Princess Juliana International Airport in the island of Saint Maarten in the Netherlands Antilles under low-visibility weather. Of 63 occupants, 40 survivors were recovered by U.S. military helicopters.

* In 1963, an Aeroflot Tupolev 124 ditched into the River Neva after running out of fuel. The aircraft floated and was towed to shore; all 52 on board escaped without injuries.

* In 1956, Pan Am Flight 943 (a Boeing 377) ditched into the Pacific after losing two of its four engines. The aircraft was able to circle around USCGC Pontchartrain until daybreak, when it ditched; all 31 on board survived.

* Pan Am Flight 6 - Oct 16, 1956

* Also in 1956, Northwest Orient Airlines Flight 2 ditched into Puget Sound after the flight engineer forgot to close the cowl gills on the Boeing Stratocruiser's engines. All aboard escaped the aircraft after a textbook landing, but four passengers and one flight attendant succumbed either to drowning or to hypothermia before being rescued.

* Jun 19, 1954 - Swissair Convair 240

* de Havilland Australia DHA-3 Drover - Apr 16, 1952

heyjude

SDooM wrote: »

Surely if the lifejacket/ seatbelts have saved exactly 1 person in their history, then they are worth it?

But there was a case off the coast of Africa a few years ago, where a plane crashed just off the coast and many of the deaths were due to lifejackets.

As anyone who has heard the safety briefing on a plane will recall, you are told in the event of a landing on water, not to inflate the lifejacket until after you have left the aircraft. However, when it actually happened in this case, lots of people inflated their lifejacket before the plane actually hit the water. The plane was damaged on landing, there were holes in the fuselage and the plane sank to the bottom, resulting in the plane filling with water. Those whose lifejackets were not inflated were able to swim to the opening, leave the plane and then inflate the lifejacket, those that had inflated their lifejacket found that the upwards pressure from the jacket prevented them releasing the seatbelt or if they managed that, they became pinned to the aircraft ceiling and were unable to swim to the opening out of the plane before they drowned.

I think this crash was featured on the 'Seconds from Disaster' TV series and that the plane had been hijacked, before finally running out of fuel. Tourists on the nearby beach filmed the crash.

javaboy

heyjude wrote: »

But there was a case off the coast of Africa a few years ago, where a plane crashed just off the coast and many of the deaths were due to lifejackets.

As anyone who has heard the safety briefing on a plane will recall, you are told in the event of a landing on water, not to inflate the lifejacket until after you have left the aircraft. However, when it actually happened in this case, lots of people inflated their lifejacket before the plane actually hit the water. The plane was damaged on landing, there were holes in the fuselage and the plane sank to the bottom, resulting in the plane filling with water. Those whose lifejackets were not inflated were able to swim to the opening, leave the plane and then inflate the lifejacket, those that had inflated their lifejacket found that the upwards pressure from the jacket prevented them releasing the seatbelt or if they managed that, they became pinned to the aircraft ceiling and were unable to swim to the opening out of the plane before they drowned.

I think this crash was featured on the 'Seconds from Disaster' TV series and that the plane had been hijacked, before finally running out of fuel. Tourists on the nearby beach filmed the crash.

Then the deaths are surely due to panicking/ignorant passengers not due to the lifejackets themselves?

IanCurtis

Human nature to inflate them first I suppose.

I saw that programme too, very sad.

theirishrover

watch fightclub, the plane scene is priceless

The guy

pebbles21 wrote: »

why do they give you life jackets on plane when in all probability if the plane crashed into the sea your not going to make it!!!would they not be better off giving us parachutes???

Because it's like that and that's the way it is!!!

artanevilla

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV7yE4hK2hI