idea for next team event?

ditpoker

i was discussing this with lloyd after JP's team event and how tactics etc etc played a role in the event but figured tactics should play a much much greater role, so the captain role is very important.

So... teams of 3 (or 4, i prefer 3 but this is open).
Each team gets 30,000 chips. The team captain divides these chips amongst his team, i.e Player A is a LAG player who uses chips alot, give him 15,000. Player B is a ROCK, give him 6,000. Player C is standard and gets the remaining 9,000. or any combination.

Team captain gets 3 seat draw tickets and picks who he wants on which table. During course of play per level the team captain has 2 tactical options open to him.
1) Transfer of chips
2) Player substitution


1) Transfer of chips: If player A has a MASSIVE stack following an early double up, but his team mate on another table has just taken a bad beat, why not take 4,000 from player a and give it to player b?

2) Player substitution: if you have a very very loose table, but your team maniac is there too and is part of the problem, why not swap him with a tighter player who can avoid the madness? Also, if a player is knocked out, he cant be given chips to come back into the game, but he is allowed to sub in and out with his team mates.

This could be tough to maintain sanity for the TD(s) but would add such a greater element of team play.

Not sure of the best way to do pay-out... i.e award points for place finished, or just regular payout, then divided amongst all 3.

Now if only there was a tournament organiser who was up for crazy ideas like this and who had access to a cardroom or pub to use in crumlin or tallaght... and who could reliably TD such madness... hmmm.... i suggest the last weekend in may... i'd say teams of 3 at €400 a team or so with reg included. would this work for €350+€50 per team?

jbravado

This sounds cool but in reality I suspect it would be a nightmare trying to organise and supervise.

LuckyLloyd

Yeah, the interesting thing on our team was that tactics did have some sort of role and the decisions Tony made with regards to who played two STTs in each round and how we apportioned our extra stack in the final were spot on. I like Jeff's idea and I think it would make the team event idea something interesting and workable.

smurph

To be honost, I have played in 2 team events, one in Waterford and JP's game. I personally feel that poker is not a team event, and hence it is quite difficult to get the balance right.

JP's format ie.. STT was excellent, some tables took 4hours to finish.... there was room for play etc.,

I have a strong feeling however that maybe JP ran the day at a loss, between the teams that didn't turn up, the pizza order during the night ~(at least €200 plus). paying for dealers etc.,

my 2cents anyway

YULETIRED

it's good someone is trying to be creative ..not enough of that about .



I had a crazy idea myself, the other day . Was talking to someone who couldn't quite understands what I meant :-( maybe a new type of home game...to see who
actually knows how to ply the game/improve yer game.

My hazy idea was have a Texam Hold em ' Skills' competition. A tournament where the cards are never folded after the river and points are awarded to the player who outplays his opponent.

Prize A to whoever win the tourny chipswise
Prize B to whoever win the skills part.

you could go out in 10th and still win the skills competition

Examples : If you win the hand with the worst hand you get 1 point but only if you get the player to fold . The player must show his fold he loses a point here if ahead.
If you win the hand post river with the worst hand going in, and your opponent did not fold he gets the skills point and you are scored minus 1 point.
The rules would takes some working out but it could be a runner and make for a 'different' sort of a game.

The Skills' winner of this event is the player who outplays his opponent. s.........it might also be a way to enforce you to think about how to play properly and make in fact lossen up a few rocks out there who fold thier hands without thinking or believeing they may be ahead.

Like I said it's more a home game but it would be a good slagging game also.

ditpoker

smurph wrote: »

To be honost, I have played in 2 team events, one in Waterford and JP's game. I personally feel that poker is not a team event, and hence it is quite difficult to get the balance right.

JP's format ie.. STT was excellent, some tables took 4hours to finish.... there was room for play etc.,

I have a strong feeling however that maybe JP ran the day at a loss, between the teams that didn't turn up, the pizza order during the night ~(at least €200 plus). paying for dealers etc.,

my 2cents anyway

i agree with this. i played the team event in waterford and two vegas nights games and didnt enjoy either a great deal. individually you were playing for a much smaller prize and how your team mates were getting on was of little or no interest to teams who didnt have 1-2 players in last few tables.

i'd also agree that i reckon jp ran it at a loss. I suspect that getting teams fo 4 or 5 means that if one or two players pull out at short notice thats the whole team gone. thats why i'd be thinking 3 players is a better number. Three can interact and make group decisions better than 4 or 5. and in theory if you can have players sub in, you could almost have a situation where 2 players get knocked out early and then with one stack left you can rotate the players every blind level, or every round of the button... im sure if you added some booze and a bit of banter you;d have situations where, for example, lloyd plays bb, i hop in for the sb, he swaps in for the button and decides to wind me up by trying to lose half the stack, i then come in on the cutoff and have to solve the problem lloyd caused. it'd also change table dynamics a great deal as it'd be harder to get a grasp of what the player in seat 4 is doing if 3 different players are playing it. i think if done right it could be great fun.

it'd also be easier to get teams of 3 to commit to playing i reckon. and if this was run in molloys or winners getting 3 people to part with €400 is easy enough. even if it was 110 per player plus 70 reg i think there'd be good value and could be run economically.

to keep things moving dealers should deal as normal, if there is no player in a seat the hand is mucked as usual and all stack swapping and player subs take place during a hand that a team are not involved in.

if you had 20 teams, i reckon this could be done with 2 TD's. 60 players. 6600 prizepool. top 6 places paid like any other tourney.

bohsman

Could 2 players to a hand work?

ditpoker

bohsman wrote: »

Could 2 players to a hand work?

personally i like 2 to a hand... i'd consider that option b... and how the bonus "all in or fold" stt at the break will work, with winning team gettinng bonus chips.

bohsman

ditpoker wrote: »

personally i like 2 to a hand... i'd consider that option b... and how the bonus "all in or fold" stt at the break will work, with winning team gettinng bonus chips.

Way too much time on your hands, I may try to run a 2man team event at some stage next month, basically players play a level each but allowing the second player to hang around could be interesting.

phantom_lord

I remember you asking about somthing similiar years ago after the dcu student game, sounds interesting and I defo be interested in playing something like it.

5starpool

2 players to a hand would be interesting apart from the whole delay it would take for discussion time etc. There would need to be a 'shot clock' type thing, or maybe a player could have 2 timeouts a level where he gets 30 seconds to discuss with his teammate who isn't playing.

Generally though I am not friends with team events anymore. Any team I have been in has done shockingly bad at them.

robinblinds

YULETIRED wrote: »

it's good someone is trying to be creative ..not enough of that about .



I had a crazy idea myself, the other day . Was talking to someone who couldn't quite understands what I meant :-( maybe a new type of home game...to see who
actually knows how to ply the game/improve yer game.

My hazy idea was have a Texam Hold em ' Skills' competition. A tournament where the cards are never folded after the river and points are awarded to the player who outplays his opponent.

Prize A to whoever win the tourny chipswise
Prize B to whoever win the skills part.

you could go out in 10th and still win the skills competition

Examples : If you win the hand with the worst hand you get 1 point but only if you get the player to fold . The player must show his fold he loses a point here if ahead.
If you win the hand post river with the worst hand going in, and your opponent did not fold he gets the skills point and you are scored minus 1 point.
The rules would takes some working out but it could be a runner and make for a 'different' sort of a game.

The Skills' winner of this event is the player who outplays his opponent. s.........it might also be a way to enforce you to think about how to play properly and make in fact lossen up a few rocks out there who fold thier hands without thinking or believeing they may be ahead.

Like I said it's more a home game but it would be a good slagging game also.

Nobody would fold.

cooker3

phantom_lord wrote: »

I remember you asking about somthing similiar years ago after the dcu student game, sounds interesting and I defo be interested in playing something like it.

Can you imagine if it was us 2
"I think he is merging his range"
"yeah lets click it back"
"holla"
"ship it"

YULETIRED

robinblinds wrote: »

Nobody would fold.

If you win (luckbox) hand where you got in brhind you lose skill points...that's a fold.

robinblinds

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YULETIRED

robinblinds wrote: »

I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

I'd like you to also, you could of course buy the book instead when it's printed. Now back on topic. You hate my idea don't you...I knew it.....Waah. (I'm ok)

robinblinds

I think its a good idea but your average home game is doused in alcohol so you'd have to hire a TD or dealer to keep score.

How about having 9 players. 3 heats of 3 players. Winner of each heat plays a ft??

sickpuppy

I enjoyed the team event was fun and nice to catch up witha few faces.
However the long waiting was a pain in the hole.
Relying on others in poker is not easy either.
I prefer just to play my own game and not feel the need to explain to others my actions.
For the weekend that was in it and the good cause it was ok but i wouldnt rush to play another this ahs no reflection on my team amtes whatsoever:pac::pac::pac::pac:

JP Poker

Hey Jeff,

Just back from a successful european raid in the san siro. I'll have a proper read of this tomorrow and come back to you on it.

jbravado

2 to a hand is genius.

ditpoker

JP Poker wrote: »

Hey Jeff,

Just back from a successful european raid in the san siro. I'll have a proper read of this tomorrow and come back to you on it.

i'm surprised you're still awake... zzzzz.... zzzzzz....