Help I'm A Holdem Manager Noob

ianmc38

Can someone explain some of the stats in the hud or provide a link to an article that does? The whole program is melting my brain having used PAHUD for so long.

cooker3

I would have thought all the stats are pretty self explainatory.

Are you having issues with setting it up or just generally understanding it?

(I feel a big post from DVDfan a coming)

ianmc38

generally understanding any of it. seems like there's a billion stats there. do u have a custom hud made?

ianmc38

also how do i make stats different colours based on a range eg vpip of 0-15 to be say orange 15-30 to be red and 30+ to be green?

Cant seem to get it working.

zuutroy

I just bought it yesterday too...All I got around to was importing the 1M hands I had and checking the HUD works..Didnt seem to complicated to configure it all, gonna give it a shot later...will provide some answers as I discover the,

cooker3

Ok, I am going to paste a few things me and mainly DVD put together in an different forum. Here is first one


I taught id set this up to help eachother with tips and hints since HM is likely to become a tool we all use and it has enormous potential if used correctly. I know a instruction manual is coming out aswell but these things tend to be standard and i think to get the most out of the software it will be using it beyond the obvious that will have the most benefits.

Obvious one first i already mentioned but if its your first time to use it maybe not.

To move stats around
Just right click and drag and drop, when you open it next it will be saved as per you left it

Question on this, when i play on ipoker i constantly move seat from table to table so my stats box ends up in different places, is there a way around this?

Using Colors With Stats Ranges

Ok, this is pretty simple but a bit different to PAHUD so heres how it works:



As you can see in the image above its pretty similar to PAHUD except you dont have to put in a range of 0-100 instead you just say less than 100 i.e <100. To set a range first click on the applicable stat in the "DISPLAY THESE STATS" column. In my example you can see ive selected HANDS.

So firstly you cant delete the <inf thing in the COLOR RANGES box, this is basically what it says infinity, in PAHUD i usually typed in 50,000 as the largest sample but infinity obviously works better. So to add a range to the COLOR RANGES box type in a number in the bottom right box with the "<" symbol next to it and in the box on its left select a color, when your done just click ADD and it will appear in the COLOR RANGES box.

Then if you want to change that just highlight which one you want to change in the COLOR RANGES box and adjust your colors and numbers in the boxes below and click edit. Anyway im probably over explaining but basically in the example above anything from 0-50 displays in Yellow. Anything from 51-200 displays in Orange, Anything from 201-600 displays in Red, anything from 601-2000 in green and anything from 2001 to infinity is displayed in Blue. (This dark blue is probably the hardest on the eyes in the HUD btw)

cooker3

This is what i think will be the most useful peice of software Holdem Manager, im convinced ill drop back to 4 tables and use this to its fullest. I definetely believe this will drastically increase my edge against opponents multitabling 6-8+ tables as they cant use this info and will help me increase the accuracy of my ranges by so much. Its basically like having a PI working for you constantly taking detailed notes on all your opponents and passing the information to you quickly when you need it and you can activate it by going to Options>>>HUD Options>>>Launch Active Player Details Window and heres what it looks like:



Concentrating on the top section of the image above first

So on the left we have some standard stats along with some new stats, the new and useful ones being their 3bet% and Squeez%. Moving over to the next colum we have some pretty useful stats from Blind vs Blind. We can see how often they Fold,Call And raise a SB steal and also the same for BB.

Under that we have a very useful stat for 3bets and 4bets in we know how they react to a 3bet or 4bet and what % of the time they fold,call and raise. We can get great info if we use it in conjunction with Att Steal, the PREFLOP CARDS tab which shows what types of hands they call 3bets so we know if they raise from late position and have a 30% steal that were probably 3betting AJ type hands for value but if they call and the flop comes Axx and we see from the PREFLOP CARDS tab that they rarely call 3bets with A2-AT and AK-AJ makes up a high % of their 3bet calling range then even though we were 3betting for value Preflop now were basically bluffing the flop because hes pushing range on our cbet crushes our range. Just one example but you can see where this type of information if used properly can gain a big edge on someone whos not using the software to its full potential.

Im sure it will take a while to get to grips with how we should interepret the numbers from new stats like 3bet/4bet here to see wheter they are calling light or not, currently im not sure how often we would be expected to call a 3bet but i guess these are the types of things we can be discussing in the thread.

Again moving over to the right to the vs Flop,Turn and River Cbet we can get a good idea how often there Folding, Calling and Raising cbets on each street at a glance. Again another useful stat but i might point out i wouldnt expect to be flicking through this player information screen for every hand but rather to get reads on a player or if were faced with a decision, i can see myself coming in here when theres not much action and taking notes such as Calls 3bet with 22+ and AT+, respect river raise, Raises flop alot etc etc

Just under that we have more stats on how often he cbets/Double Barrells and Triple Barrells, good stat to know when your on the river with TP good kicker and he bets the 3rd street after flop and turn and like the example above hes never showed down a tripple barrell so i can fold confidently most times.

In the last column on the top right heres the following explanation taking from 2+2:

RVG wrote:

Row 1 shows overall stats for the player after checking and facing a bet
Row 2 shows overall stats for the player facing a bet (but having position on the guy who made the bet)
Row 3 shows overall stats when the player has bet and is facing a raise
Row 4 shows overall stats when the player has raised a bet and is now facing a reraise

And just under that we have:
Bet UO (IP) = how often he bets postflop when it is checked to him (or when he is first to act) and the number in brackets is how often he bets when it is checked to him and he is last to act.

Lastly we move to the bottom half of the image above we have PREFLOP BY POS tab with some very useful stats: Heres a slightly modified quote from RVG as he is explaining about a different picture than i use:

The preflop breakdown shows VPIP/PFR numbers by position broken down by the action facing the player. So, this guy is 24/24 on the button when it is unopened - in other words he's betting 24% of his hands on the button when nobody has acted. When he's on the small blind and facing 1 or more limpers he is 28/3 so he is raising 3% of the time and calling another 28% of the time. When he is on the big blind and facing a raise (and 0 or more callers) he is 12/2 meaning he 3bets 2% of the time and calls another 12% of the time. etc

Now onto the PREFLOP CARDS tab:



This is straight forward and cooker has already discussed some stuff in here on another thread but as you can see it can be very useful. In This 2outerspecial likes to 4bet QQ and KK but never 4bets AA, he rarely 4bets AK. Its a pity you cant see how many times he does this rather than a % as its harder to give it weight without knowing. Anyway the information here is the equivilant and more of doing a reg review as we can see hes 3bet range is strong and hes calling 3bet range is pretty strong so if we 3bet him light and get called dominated hands arent much use like KQ and AJ etc

cooker3

As for the HUD itself.
To set it up go to options, hud options and player preferences. This is where you set the layout for the HUD.
You move options from available stats which is left hand box to right hand box.
You can also insert line break etc/ You can see this from 1st image above(Although that is pretty old and it is much updated now)

Most of the stats are pretty much same except more detail. So example you get raise% for every seat at table etc
Main new stats are 3betting and donk betting and everything else should be standard.


Btw DVD takes credit for about 98% of this not me

Grafter

cooker3 wrote: »

Question on this, when i play on ipoker i constantly move seat from table to table so my stats box ends up in different places, is there a way around this?

In player preferences, check "fix my stats position".

cooker3

Grafter wrote: »

In player preferences, check "fix my stats position".

Lol I know now, this was posted a month ago elsewhere. I didn't proof read it too closely, just copied and pasted

ianmc38

thanks rob,t hats really helpful. ill start going through it in more detail now!

ianmc38

also what kind of numbers are standard for 3betting 4betting and squeezing. how can we recognise people who are cold calling 3bets with monsters etc etc etc

ianmc38

and one last question. every one of my stats in my hud seems to have a mouse over function which brings up a milllion other stats. wtf are these about? does each individual stat that can be configured have like a million layers to it?

ZZR1100

Is HM better than PT3 (beta)? have u tried PT3?
I had planned to hold out for PT3 myself but would jump onboard if i thought HM was as good / better

cooker3

ianmc38 wrote: »

also what kind of numbers are standard for 3betting 4betting and squeezing. how can we recognise people who are cold calling 3bets with monsters etc etc etc

From my experience. For 3betting 0 - 4 would be fairly tight. 4-6 is pretty aggressive and anything over 6 is very aggressive.
4 betting, I would say anything over 10% is very aggressive. Interested in other peoples thought on that 1 actually.

As for peoples ranges. You need to open active player window, there is a screenshot in post above. To do this go to options, hud options and down the bottom click on launch active player window. What does this does is open seperate window which will have everyone your playing against on every table. You click on each player and get a mountain of stats. For what his 3 bet calling range is, hit preflop cards and you will see all hands he has called 3bets with, %times he has done and over how many hands.

The uses for both are the hud is gives % on general play and from each street while the active player window really gives it in minute detail and then HM itself is for when your not playing and you can basically do and look for anything

ianmc38 wrote: »

and one last question. every one of my stats in my hud seems to have a mouse over function which brings up a milllion other stats. wtf are these about? does each individual stat that can be configured have like a million layers to it?

Ok, how it works is each stat is apart of list of stats which are connected. So for example if you have stat for continuation betting and stat for donk betting, both of these stats bring up the same box which has stats of how often he calls cbets and loads of stuff like that. If you double click you will bring up master stat area where each individual box is in 1 big huge area.
Something I did was to decrease number of stat boxes on screen. So I had 1 stat for each box unless it was a really important stat. To use example above I would use cbet% in hud and get rid of donk bet stat, and just hover cbet% to get donk bet% (I hope that is clear cause I am not sure I am doing good job explaining it)

ZZR1100 wrote: »

Is HM better than PT3 (beta)? have u tried PT3?
I had planned to hold out for PT3 myself but would jump onboard if i thought HM was as good / better

I messed around with Pt3 but I didn't do too much as it only worked on stars, FT and Party and had no hud. So I couldn't give honest review of it. It seems to give pretty much everything HM does in terms of detail. They say the hud is coming in next fortnight, that will tell a huge amount about it I should imagine.
1 thing is they are going for stability and 1 problem with HM is tendacy to crash a bit too much for my liking, that maybe the difference.

Get In There

After using PP’s free hand calculator, I really enjoyed the improvement in my online game esp with the software keeping tabs on my opponents. So after much toying about with the idea, I finally got around to downloading HoldemManager last nite.. But stupidly I had deleted my entire history of PP hands prior to that as I deemed it to be irrelevant as it stored history as far back to the days when I played play money and was much a worse player than I am now. The problem is now I have no history and the information above that I hoped to use after installation is now seemingly complex… Can you help me out here I m totally lost… Until I figure out how to use this, I’m going to be stuck at PPP never progressing beyond playing one table

Lurker1977

Nvr mind

cooker3

Get In There wrote: »

After using PP’s free hand calculator, I really enjoyed the improvement in my online game esp with the software keeping tabs on my opponents. So after much toying about with the idea, I finally got around to downloading HoldemManager last nite.. But stupidly I had deleted my entire history of PP hands prior to that as I deemed it to be irrelevant as it stored history as far back to the days when I played play money and was much a worse player than I am now. The problem is now I have no history and the information above that I hoped to use after installation is now seemingly complex… Can you help me out here I m totally lost… Until I figure out how to use this, I’m going to be stuck at PPP never progressing beyond playing one table

I am not sure what help you want. Just seems to me you have to play some hands and you'll be fine

ZZR1100

Any1 have a problem importing?
i bought the full version of HM yesterday and when tried importing from my move files after processing folder it worked for awhile and then got stuck. so i clicked stop importing / restarted and tried again.
same thing happens but at a different time/hand number. rinse and repeat.
i then get a warning that my HD is nearly full. i have a 460 gb and was puzzled by this so i did a disk scan to find 350 gb in the HM dir in the folder importing.

Update.. deleted all my HH files and started again. importing fine now but no hud displaying. i can get the active players popup working but no hud
any ideas ???

fixed the hud but now getting a popup on occasion..

this happens while on auto import and hud running on an active table . comes up every 5 min or so

running vista 32bit Ipoker is the poker client

Assertion failed!

Program:..
File .\Hand2.cpp
Line: 1187

Expression: read == expecting

For information on how your program can cause an assertion failure, see the visual C++ docs
press retry to debug - JIT must be enabled

Abort / retry / ignore

retry crashes HM .. ignore clears the popup for awhile as does abort

All these stats are starting to hurt my head

Grafter

HM is (afaik) the first hud to work on Betfair.

I didn't play there much before as the software is horrible, but LOL at the standard of play when you see it properly.

luckylucky

giving this a bump as I guess this is probably the closest thing to our 'official' Holdem Manager's thread.

I bought it 2 days ago and started configuring it yesterday. It seems quite easy to get up and running from what I've seen and cooker3/DVDfan's guide is a very helpful start. Thx to both.

At the minute I'm not really able to make use ouf of it. I'm really just checking the basic but perhaps still the most importnat stuff like Vpip, PFR, Agression Factors and Fold percentages.

I reckon it will take a couple of weeks at least though before getting properly comfy with it and tailoring it to what suits me best.

the good thing about it as well as far as I gather is that it works with a lot of sites that PAHUD never worked with such as Everest and Betfair, though I've yet to test anywhere else other than iPoker. So far I think it has crashed on me once. no big deal that imo.

I must have a look at PT3 beta now shortly too.

I can't think of anything really to add to what Cooker has said, but if I spot something I will do.