Average Mountjoy Inmate on 6th stint in Jail

Zascar

I heard a discussion on the radio the other day around howcurrent sentences for inmates may possibly be reduced further than the amount they can already get out early for good behaviour - by entering into 'rehabilitation projects' (should they not be in them already?). Anyway it was mentioned that the average Mountjoy inmate is on their 6th stint in prison.

Now ok, someone might get lead down the wrong path and make a few mistakes in their life and end up in jail once, maybe twice if they are really stupid. But seriously if you have been to the Joy seven times, can you possibly be regarded as anything other than a complete scumbag who really should not be let out on our streets at all? The purpose of putting someone in jail if because it is viewed that they are a danger to our society, and if they cannot live within the normal rules, they have to be taken out of it. If you consistently show that you are not fit to live in society, I think you should simply not be allowed in it at all! But why should we as taxpayers pay ~60k per year to house them in Jail?

Watching those programs on Discovery and National Geographic like "America's Hardest Prisons" you see some properly hardened criminals who from their own admission will always be criminals and just do not have a chance of having a normal life. Seriously, why isn't there some rule where their lives are simply immediately terminated if it is beyond reasonable doubt that they are beyond rehabilitation from normal levels of help?

Jail is effectively like University for criminals anyway. Many come out of jail more likely to commit more crimes than when they went in. Don't you think that if the penalty was as severe as this for someone who shows to be living nothing but a constant life of crime, then we might have less of a problem like this in our society?

What do you think?

mikemac

I read the photography forum around here.
And this very evening you posted about importing equipment without declaring it.
In fact you got "nabbed" for customs duty
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=55346893#post55346893

That my friend makes you a criminal

OWNED!

By the way if you search my posts for dirt you'll find all sorts of nonsense, trying to stop that

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

So jail works then...? Where's that pc-scumbag thread when you need it....

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

On a serious note, the problem with the justice system is that people don't want justice. They want revenge. Those who have suffered a sevear injuury or lost a loved one will know that justice isn't possible.

The fact that most criminals reoffended just gets swept under the carpet because people are too lazy to try and work out somtrhign else, c.f. - slipps and pirelli's posts above.

utick

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

So jail works then...? Where's that pc-scumbag thread when you need it....

would be interesting to see how many convictions the average inmate has before they are locked up. i feel the problem is they get caught and get little more than a slap on the wrist so they get it in there head that they can get away with crime

Steve

Bring back brehon laws.

I4I, tooth 4 bluetooth and all that.

Karoma

Stay on-topic or shut up. Personal abuse is not tolerated.
Infractions given. Bans next.

lostexpectation

ah the good ol reliable scumbag forum

Overheal

Its from looking at them as prisons and not corrections facilities; and I dont know any country personally that puts that name to justice either.

Cuddlesworth

Zascar wrote: »

Seriously, why isn't there some rule where their lives are simply immediately terminated if it is beyond reasonable doubt that they are beyond rehabilitation from normal levels of help?

There are multiple problems with that statement, all to do with actually killing them.

Whats checks are acceptable?
What standards have to be met?
Who does the killing?
In a society where killing is illegal, how do you justify the deaths of convicted criminals? Sense of irony required for that one.

Xavi6

Average Mountjoy Inmate on 6th

Average? I thought he could do better than that

Agamemnon

We need to bring in the kind of sentencing here that will send offenders to prison for life if they get, say, 10 convictions. We need to bite the bullet, so to speak, and spend more money on prisons. Better we spend our taxes on it than free scumbags to maim and murder innocent people. If it prevents murder, it's money well spent.

Mickswizard

Zascar - You should take the tour of mountjoy if you have not already. Just for a bit of balance. You might come out feeling differently, you might not.

My2c - We should not kill criminals merely because they are a financial burden.
It is the price i am willing to pay to live in a civil, just society. The punishment should not match the crime, it should be relative to it in the grand scheme of crimes with life imprisonment being the heaviest sentence possible.

Exit

They say that you become more right wing with age. Even though, I'm still in my late 20s, I'm beginning to notice that.

I'm very liberal on immigration, gay marriage, abortion, etc. but the one thing that I seem to be right wing on is crime.

Why should a criminal have it cushy in prison? I've even heard stories of people committing crimes solely to be put back into prison where their life is better for them. Prison should be about punishment. There should be something like 6 guys to a cell with a bucket in the middle. Then these people would be in no rush to get back there. It should be looked at as a hellhole.

lostexpectation

losing your liberty is the punishment I don't see how people can't recognise being locked up for a period is somehow not a punishment