Bertie the Mason?

DisandDat

We know he has a mate, Paddy the plasterer, but Bertie the Mason?

ShakeyBlakey

i noticed his funny handshakes a few times, especially with brother paisley. well considering nearly all world "leaders" are scheming evil masons, why not bertie?????

humanji

I can't imagine the masons would want to be associated with someone like Bertie

That said, I've met him before and shook his hand and he has an incredibly weak handshake. I think he just really doesn't like touching people.

DisandDat

ShakeyBlakey wrote: »

i noticed his funny handshakes a few times, especially with brother paisley. well considering nearly all world "leaders" are scheming evil masons, why not bertie?????

Bertie is one of the main men in Europe. There is talk about him becoming the new EU president.(and here was me thinking that the Lisbon Treaty was not ratified yet, only a minor problem I assume).

humanji

DisandDat wrote: »

Bertie is one of the main men in Europe. There is talk about him becoming the new EU president.(and here was me thinking that the Lisbon Treaty was not ratified yet, only a minor problem I assume).

I assume there's no point asking for anything to back that up?

berliner

He's almost finished.Wasn't it Enoch Powell who said all political careers end in failure.Bertie is a failure.Great spoofer though.

STEVO B

berliner wrote: »

He's almost finished.Wasn't it Enoch Powell who said all political careers end in failure.Bertie is a failure.Great spoofer though.

Dont kid yourself, Bertie has done his job.

He will get his reward with a nice cushy number after his current position.

Look at Blair's current setup for a precendent

Cantab.

I'm sure it's no coincidence the fact that the grand lodge of Ireland is a stones throw from Dail Eireann.

Also, Bertie would be great in Europe -- a puppet boy that can be manipulated.

humanji

Well since the whole accusations of corruption thing, I can't imagine him being that much use. Who the f*ck would trust him? There are much better candidates.

Dirty Dave

Any evidence to back this up?

ANY?

Cos he is pictured shaking hands badly?

Kernel

humanji wrote: »

I assume there's no point asking for anything to back that up?

Read a newspaper. It was in yesterdays indo if I remember correctly.

EDIT: actually it was Thursdays.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Dirty Dave wrote: »

Any evidence to back this up?

ANY?

Cos he is pictured shaking hands badly?

hey, don't know them.. at least someone actually posted some evidence, it's progress.

Profiler

STEVO B wrote: »

Dont kid yourself, Bertie has done his job.

He will get his reward with a nice cushy number after his current position.

Look at Blair's current setup for a precendent

I don't think he will, Europe will see him as completely tarnished with corruption.

The Irish public may vote him in even if he can't remember if it was £40,000/$58,000/STG£38,000 or if it was stuck in a safe in St Lukes, a bank in Dame Street or down the side of one of Celia's couches but the head people in Europe WILL care.

I can't see them touching BBBBertie with a Belgian Barge Pole.

STEVO B

Profiler wrote: »

I don't think he will, Europe will see him as completely tarnished with corruption.

The Irish public may vote him in even if he can't remember if it was £40,000/$58,000/STG£38,000 or if it was stuck in a safe in St Lukes, a bank in Dame Street or down the side of one of Celia's couches but the head people in Europe WILL care.

I can't see them touching BBBBertie with a Belgian Barge Pole.

Bertie has been a good servant to the NWO and consequently the EU, leading this country down a one way street to a very dark place.

A bit of media spin and Bertie will be saintly again, im fairly sure they wont leave him hanging in Fagans for the rest of his days.

Dont think that Bertie is any worse than any of the other politicians from throughout Europe or the world for that matter, they are all corrupt to the back teeth.

Profiler

STEVO B wrote: »

Bertie has been a good servant to the NWO and consequently the EU, leading this country down a one way street to a very dark place.

A bit of media spin and Bertie will be saintly again, im fairly sure they wont leave him hanging in Fagans for the rest of his days.

Dont think that Bertie is any worse than any of the other politicians from throughout Europe or the world for that matter, they are all corrupt to the back teeth.

Well we are getting way off topic here but I don't agree with the last bit, that is obviously untrue, and usually said by people who don't know about Politics.

STEVO B

Profiler wrote: »

Well we are getting way off topic here but I don't agree with the last bit, that is obviously untrue, and usually said by people who don't know about Politics.

I know enough to know I've never seen a good one.

Its a case in elections of voting out the last bunch of crooks out rather than having any love for those voted in (invariable crooks aswell).

Esel

Knights of Columbanus more likely. Or both.

I got a funny handshake from a Knight once (checking me out - came across the room out of the blue to shake hands when he was leaving) - felt a residual pressure on the back of my hand afterwards, as if from he had pressed hard with his little finger?

I'm just looking for a square deal.

galwayrush

Maybe he's one of the Lizard people:rolleyes:

humanji

Kernel wrote: »

Read a newspaper. It was in yesterdays indo if I remember correctly.

EDIT: actually it was Thursdays.

An article on Bertie being a Mason?

Kernel

humanji wrote: »

An article on Bertie being a Mason?

No, of Bertie going for EU presidency. There have been Irish politicians who have attended Bilderberg conferences also.

STEVO B

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/03/europe/union.php

Hes being groomed for it.

Sure he could dither and mumble his way through anything. He also has his hands clean in the whole Iraq debate, which would work in his favour. (Not many know about Irelands involvement in the the iraq war, so he can play the friendly irish man who loves 'bass' to a wider audience)

Just really you likeable man next door come good................or so they'd have you believe.

humanji

Ah right, I misunderstood what you were saying. Stoopid interwebs!

Gillo

Not a masonic handshake in the picture's, not going to say why it's not as I took an oath not to.

(but than again I would say that wouldn't it:rolleyes:)

Profiler

STEVO B wrote: »

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/03/europe/union.php

Hes being groomed for it.

Sure he could dither and mumble his way through anything. He also has his hands clean in the whole Iraq debate, which would work in his favour. (Not many know about Irelands involvement in the the iraq war, so he can play the friendly irish man who loves 'bass' to a wider audience)

Just really you likeable man next door come good................or so they'd have you believe.

"...However, controversy in Ireland about his personal financial dealings in the 1990s could cast a shadow over his prospects...."

and more importantly

"...Ahern would be a serious candidate if he managed to resolve questions over his financial dealings,..."

Now, in the last 24 months he has only managed to further muddy the waters on his finances not clear anything up. So even if his freemason buddies can pull a few strings I can not see Europe touching him while he is tainted by the suspicion of corruption.

Kernel

Gillo wrote: »

Not a masonic handshake in the picture's, not going to say why it's not as I took an oath not to.

(but than again I would say that wouldn't it:rolleyes:)

You probably don't know the real meaning of the symbology of the masons either.

Gillo

The any conspiracy theory is if someone doesn't like the answer given they can just say "yes and that's what you would say..."

Maybe, you'd like to share the true meanings?

Kernel

Gillo wrote: »

The any conspiracy theory is if someone doesn't like the answer given they can just say "yes and that's what you would say..."

Maybe, you'd like to share the true meanings?

Have you read Morals & Dogma?

Recently, a master mason was interviewed on coast to coast, and he said that when he got to master mason status, he thought he would understand the meanings behind the rituals, but that he did not, and that he believes that no mason understands them anymore. I think he may have been attempting to avoid any further probing into masonic rituals, but if you are to believe him, then Christopher Wren (English architect and mason) was responsible for 'losing' the secrets and meanings of freemasonry which then changed completely in later years.

Regardless, those masons at the lower levels do not understand the rituals, since only when they progress in degrees are they 'enlightened' as to their meanings.

Absolam

Kernel wrote: »

Have you read Morals & Dogma?

Recently, a master mason was interviewed on coast to coast, and he said that when he got to master mason status, he thought he would understand the meanings behind the rituals, but that he did not, and that he believes that no mason understands them anymore. I think he may have been attempting to avoid any further probing into masonic rituals, but if you are to believe him, then Christopher Wren (English architect and mason) was responsible for 'losing' the secrets and meanings of freemasonry which then changed completely in later years.

Regardless, those masons at the lower levels do not understand the rituals, since only when they progress in degrees are they 'enlightened' as to their meanings.

One can hardly judge the whole of Freemasonry on Albert Pike. I'm sure many Master Masons never bother to discover the full meaning/origins of the rituals.. it's not exactly compulsory. I've studied quite a bit, and I'm pretty sure Christopher Wren can't be held at fault for losing anything I agree with Gillo.. the handshake doesn't look that Masonic to me.. can't speak for the oul knights of columbanus tho