Railway in Navan

Slippin Jimmy

Over the past few weeks I have noticed that they have been laying down new tracks in Navan. I have heard a rumour that they are going to be building a train station near Tara Mines. Is there any truth to this rumour, or is it all nonsense.

eve

Are they just renewing the line that Tara Mines uses to Drogheda? Where have you seen the new tracks being laid? If it's the tracks that run to the back of PC World towards Cavan then that would be interesting...

Ham'nd'egger

Duffff-Man wrote: »

Over the past few weeks I have noticed that they have been laying down new tracks in Navan. I have heard a rumour that they are going to be building a train station near Tara Mines. Is there any truth to this rumour, or is it all nonsense.

A proposed station for Navan is to serve the town in and around the Cavan side.

The line work you have seen is track renewal for the Navan branch.

dmeehan

Hamndegger wrote: »

The line work you have seen is track renewal for the Navan branch.

Is this for passenger traffic?

Ham'nd'egger

dmeehan wrote: »

Is this for passenger traffic?

As the branch isn't open to passengers, then it follows that the answer is no. Now, if a passenger train was to run on the line, there is no reason why the track would be considered unsuitable to carry same. Just don't get excited until they renovate the local station

Nostradamus

Duffff-Man wrote: »

Over the past few weeks I have noticed that they have been laying down new tracks in Navan. I have heard a rumour that they are going to be building a train station near Tara Mines. Is there any truth to this rumour, or is it all nonsense.

No it is 100% true amazingly enough. Tara mines has only 10 years of ore left and the holding company is building a new town on the site of the mine with a new train station. The retention of the rail line into the mine for passenger use is a specification on the planning permission. I am sure Meath on Track know more about this, but it is a real plan.

However the track you saw being relayed has nothing to do with passenger trains any time soon. Sadly.

SeanW

What you saw was most likely, the replacement of old knackered track panels being replaced with less knackered second hand track panels. It will not be fit for passenger service.

Slippin Jimmy

They have being promising the railway in Navan for years. It doesn't really make a whole load of sense why they are spending so much money on the roads and not on the rail. The roads in Navan are really bad lol:D

BendiBus

Nostradamus wrote: »

No it is 100% true amazingly enough. Tara mines has only 10 years of ore left and the holding company is building a new town on the site of the mine with a new train station. The retention of the rail line into the mine for passenger use is a specification on the planning permission. I am sure Meath on Track know more about this, but it is a real plan.

This was reported in last Wednesdays IT Property Supplement. Not sure if it's available online for free.

Navan Junction

Meath Chronicle, 16/02/2008

A DYNAMIC plan which would see the construction of a new town on the site of the Tara Mines complex north-west of Navan after the expiry of the orebody in 10-15 years` time, has been submitted to Navan Town Council.
The plan, submitted last Friday in a joint move by Tara Mines (owned by the Boliden Group) and the Menolly Homes group as part of the review of the Navan Development Plan, provides for the building of 3,500 residential units, and all accompanying employment, infrastructure, recreation and amenity and community facilities, including a linear park, on a 330 hectare (480-acre) site.
A new railway station, to be called Navan North/Nevinstown Station, is also proposed as part of the huge project.
A project team from Boliden and Menolly has been working on the project for some time. Its stated objectives are the continuation of the core mining operation for the next 10-15 years but then to realise the strategic use of surplus property assets and to explore the opportunities for re-use of the mining facility.
Menolly`s role is described as providing an "active project manager" charged with delivering a co-ordinated planning vision for the future of the Tara Mines site. Council insiders said that the project as described in the joint presentation would fit in with key objectives of the Navan Development Plan 2009-2015, including developing new residential communities, provision of adequate community facilities, provision of primary and secondary schools, expanded recreation and leisure facilities, transportation, increasing local-based employment, retail provision, preserving the built and natural heritage of the town, and ensuring availability of adequate infrastructure to serve the needs of the town.
The plan points to the fact that Tara Mines has the single largest landholding in the Navan area and has the potential to deliver critical infrastructure and services, but this would depend on the comprehensive planning vision for the entire lands in the area.
It points to the existence of the Blackwater and Boyne river valleys, and the railway corridor as "strengths" in the current framework of the town. Key moves outlined in the submission include linking the inner relief road to the M3 and northern orbital route, developing a Navan town park, linking the railway station to the park, developing new Meath civic offices, and a residential quarter at Abbeylands.
The two groups propose a three-phase plan running from 2010-2016, 2016-2021, and 2021 onwards. Phase one would include an institution/facility, business and logistics park, mixed use areas, integrated transportation hub, inner link road, town park, Blackwater Linear Park, primary school sites, community facilities and residential development.
Phase two would include mixed use areas, outer link road, Blackwater Linear Park, site for secondary school, residential north and south of hub.
The new town would be built on environmental and sustainable principles and lists the following services and energy approaches - water supply (Ballintyre future abstraction), foul treatment options, surface water (attenuation lake features), sustainable approach to energy efficiency (in spatial layout, design and spec providing reduced energy use and carbon emissions, partial use of renewable energy sources for space and water heating), detailed environmental due diligence (on subject lands currently underway - geology, hydrology, soils, water, archaeology, ecology), and remediation of the mine site (to be in accordance with planning and EPA requirements).

Slippin Jimmy

Navan Junction wrote: »

Meath Chronicle, 16/02/2008

A DYNAMIC plan which would see the construction of a new town on the site of the Tara Mines complex north-west of Navan after the expiry of the orebody in 10-15 years` time, has been submitted to Navan Town Council.
The plan, submitted last Friday in a joint move by Tara Mines (owned by the Boliden Group) and the Menolly Homes group as part of the review of the Navan Development Plan, provides for the building of 3,500 residential units, and all accompanying employment, infrastructure, recreation and amenity and community facilities, including a linear park, on a 330 hectare (480-acre) site.
A new railway station, to be called Navan North/Nevinstown Station, is also proposed as part of the huge project.
A project team from Boliden and Menolly has been working on the project for some time. Its stated objectives are the continuation of the core mining operation for the next 10-15 years but then to realise the strategic use of surplus property assets and to explore the opportunities for re-use of the mining facility.
Menolly`s role is described as providing an "active project manager" charged with delivering a co-ordinated planning vision for the future of the Tara Mines site. Council insiders said that the project as described in the joint presentation would fit in with key objectives of the Navan Development Plan 2009-2015, including developing new residential communities, provision of adequate community facilities, provision of primary and secondary schools, expanded recreation and leisure facilities, transportation, increasing local-based employment, retail provision, preserving the built and natural heritage of the town, and ensuring availability of adequate infrastructure to serve the needs of the town.
The plan points to the fact that Tara Mines has the single largest landholding in the Navan area and has the potential to deliver critical infrastructure and services, but this would depend on the comprehensive planning vision for the entire lands in the area.
It points to the existence of the Blackwater and Boyne river valleys, and the railway corridor as "strengths" in the current framework of the town. Key moves outlined in the submission include linking the inner relief road to the M3 and northern orbital route, developing a Navan town park, linking the railway station to the park, developing new Meath civic offices, and a residential quarter at Abbeylands.
The two groups propose a three-phase plan running from 2010-2016, 2016-2021, and 2021 onwards. Phase one would include an institution/facility, business and logistics park, mixed use areas, integrated transportation hub, inner link road, town park, Blackwater Linear Park, primary school sites, community facilities and residential development.
Phase two would include mixed use areas, outer link road, Blackwater Linear Park, site for secondary school, residential north and south of hub.
The new town would be built on environmental and sustainable principles and lists the following services and energy approaches - water supply (Ballintyre future abstraction), foul treatment options, surface water (attenuation lake features), sustainable approach to energy efficiency (in spatial layout, design and spec providing reduced energy use and carbon emissions, partial use of renewable energy sources for space and water heating), detailed environmental due diligence (on subject lands currently underway - geology, hydrology, soils, water, archaeology, ecology), and remediation of the mine site (to be in accordance with planning and EPA requirements).

God that is very interesting indeed. Looks like there will be another Johnstown . I heard last night that they have started to lay the lines from Dublin already for the Navan line to take passengers. Might not be true, just a rumour really.

Ste.phen

Navan Junction wrote: »

Key moves outlined in the submission include linking the inner relief road to the M3 and northern orbital route, developing a Navan town park, linking the railway station to the park, developing new Meath civic offices, and a residential quarter at Abbeylands.

I knew there was something I was missing ;-)

D'Peoples Voice

700 Tara Mines workers to get notice

The lead and zinc mine's Swedish parent Boliden has confirmed that the letters are to be sent to all 690 workers on January 5, the paper says.

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2qk4u

There is a plan for a direct line from Dublin to Navan. Work has allready started on the new section from Dunboyne..

SeanW

Yeah, but the rest of it (Dunboyne-Navan) will never happen.

Stroke Politics

eve wrote: »

Are they just renewing the line that Tara Mines uses to Drogheda? Where have you seen the new tracks being laid? If it's the tracks that run to the back of PC World towards Cavan then that would be interesting...

That's exactly what they are doing at the moment. CIE are laying down the OLD Sligo-Dublin sleepers and track bed, which was taken up and replaced in the past 5 years or so. There is a train going up to four times a day already on this old line. The shame of this and the Dunboyne-Navan kite-flyer is that for about €70m, CIE could double-track the line to Drogheda, and build new stations at Railway St Navan, a new stn near Jonnos-town, Beauparc, and one at Dulleek, with a ready-to-go Dublin-Navan service to come in at around 55mins.

The real story this week wrt this rail-line however, is the appx. 600 miners at Boliden Tara Mines are on protective notice, and that the mine may shut after Xmas, as zinc prices have fallen from approx €3k a tonne to €1100 per tonne.

Dempsey continues to deliver........

ArmaniJeanss

Stroke Politics wrote: »

The real story this week wrt this rail-line however, is the appx. 600 miners at Boliden Tara Mines are on protective notice, and that the mine may shut after Xmas, as zinc prices have fallen from approx €3k a tonne to €1100 per tonne.

Dempsey continues to deliver........

What exactly could he expected to do about the international price of zinc?
(Other than possibly some Auric Goldfinger style plot to do with finding the world largest store of zinc and exploding a radioactive device in the vicinity).

Stroke Politics

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

What exactly could he expected to do about the international price of zinc?
(Other than possibly some Auric Goldfinger style plot to do with finding the world largest store of zinc and exploding a radioactive device in the vicinity).

Symptomatic. He hasn't as much as scratched his áras about bringing any other jobs to Navan. Remember the 290 PFPC jobs? The carpets factory?

Fender543

I'm from Navan and have been keeping an eye on the regional development plan here for years. The exciting parts are the Regional Hospital planned for Either Tara Mines site or a site near Balresk 1 mile outside Navan. The planned date for the start on the hospital is Spring 09, when finished it will have a work force of 2500, Quinn Insurance is opening its office in Navan in June 09, 800 will be employed. Also with this Rail link into Navan, planned for 2015. Things have started to look up for Navan. Motor Way open in 2010. About time we have some work in Navan.

DWCommuter

Fender543 wrote: »

I'm from Navan and have been keeping an eye on the regional development plan here for years. The exciting parts are the Regional Hospital planned for Either Tara Mines site or a site near Balresk 1 mile outside Navan. The planned date for the start on the hospital is Spring 09, when finished it will have a work force of 2500, Quinn Insurance is opening its office in Navan in June 09, 800 will be employed. Also with this Rail link into Navan, planned for 2015. Things have started to look up for Navan. Motor Way open in 2010. About time we have some work in Navan.

My god, you've been sucked in by it all, haven't you?:rolleyes:

Nostradamus

Fender543 wrote: »

I'm from Navan and have been keeping an eye on the regional development plan here for years. The exciting parts are the Regional Hospital planned for Either Tara Mines site or a site near Balresk 1 mile outside Navan. The planned date for the start on the hospital is Spring 09, when finished it will have a work force of 2500, Quinn Insurance is opening its office in Navan in June 09, 800 will be employed. Also with this Rail link into Navan, planned for 2015. Things have started to look up for Navan. Motor Way open in 2010. About time we have some work in Navan.

Did anyone notice MCC pouring extra barrels of flouride in to the Navan Water Supply recently?

No offense mate, but this country is on its last leg economically in case you haven't notice. Trading has ceased across all sectors. The brown stuff has hit the fan and will be doing so for a very long time to come. Walk outside your front door and have a look around. Everybody seems to have moved away or are locked indoors not spending any money. This is also a microcosm of current Irish economic activity as well as the very long term forecast. All across the country the "rush hour traffic" is now a thing of the past.


This T21 Kid is Holding a Blank Sheet of Paper for a Reason.

Chris_533976

I wouldnt quite say that, Galway is as much of a traffic nightmare as it always was

Nostradamus

Chris_533976 wrote: »

I wouldnt quite say that, Galway is as much of a traffic nightmare as it always was

Come up to Sligo. It's like Dev times again.

The major urban areas will be hit with the same in the next few months.

spacetweek

Nostradamus wrote: »

No offense mate, but this country is on its last leg economically in case you haven't notice. Trading has ceased across all sectors. The brown stuff has hit the fan and will be doing so for a very long time to come. Walk outside your front door and have a look around. Everybody seems to have moved away or are locked indoors not spending any money. This is also a microcosm of current Irish economic activity as well as the very long term forecast. All across the country the "rush hour traffic" is now a thing of the past.

Pessimist nonsense. You invest in infrastructure, sit tight and prepare for the upswing, which will occur in a year or two, max - and stop crying.

Sponge Bob

Fender543 wrote: »

I'm from Navan and have been keeping an eye on the regional development plan here for years. The exciting parts are the Regional Hospital planned for Either Tara Mines site or a site near Balresk 1 mile outside Navan. The planned date for the start on the hospital is Spring 09,

Planned by whom and who has the contract to build this ??

when finished it will have a work force of 2500, Quinn Insurance is opening its office in Navan in June 09, 800 will be employed.

Ho! Ho! Ho! ( it is not the 6th yet) , lucky if they have 800 staff by June 2009 NEVER MIND any in Navan !!!!

Also with this Rail link into Navan, planned for 2015. Things have started to look up for Navan. Motor Way open in 2010. About time we have some work in Navan.

What rail link in 2015 ?? Where did all this serial unreality come from all of a sudden , Dempseys office is it ???

Fender543

The facts are these: 800 Quinn jobs in Navan, the opening of the office is planned for June 09, how I know you ask, I know a planner with Quinn Insurance, the Kells office is being closed and 250 from there are being moved plus an additional 450 to be recruited from the local !!!

I'll paste in the link for the Regional Hospital, great news for Navan
http://www.meathchronicle.ie/articles/1/33572

In a down turn what do you do ??
Plan for the upturn, Motor way complete by 2010, if you leave Navan tomorrow morning at 7am, all you will see one long line of cars,vans and buses in front of you, and the same behind of white lights.

Rail link to Dunboyne is nearly complete, its another 12 - 15 miles to Navan from Dunboyne. This will be completed and will again be a added bonus to the Navan area.

I really dont like Dempsey, hes typical FF. ALL the above are happening, not some day dream.

Judgement Day

Fender543 wrote: »

Rail link to Dunboyne is nearly complete, its another 12 - 15 miles to Navan from Dunboyne. This will be completed and will again be a added bonus to the Navan area.

I really dont like Dempsey, hes typical FF. ALL the above are happening, not some day dream.

As far as I know not a sleeper has been laid on the Clonsilla/Dunboyne line so how is it nearly complete? Do you know something that the rest of us don't? What makes you so certain that the Dunboyne/Navan rail link will happen?

Ham'nd'egger

Judgement Day wrote: »

As far as I know not a sleeper has been laid on the Clonsilla/Dunboyne line so how is it nearly complete? Do you know something that the rest of us don't? What makes you so certain that the Dunboyne/Navan rail link will happen?

There has been some track laid already at Clonsilla Junction and much in the line of per way and clearance has already taken place. It isn't by any means nearly ready but the work is moving along at a decent pace considering that th railway order isn't that long issued.

spacetweek

Hamndegger wrote: »

There has been some track laid already at Clonsilla Junction and much in the line of per way and clearance has already taken place. It isn't by any means nearly ready but the work is moving along at a decent pace considering that th railway order isn't that long issued.

Work on the above scheme began in the beginning of December and will take around 18 months.
The motorway is a done deal and will be delivered probably in 12 months.
Dunboyne-Navan is less secure, though with a 2015 completion date, work doesn't need to begin for several more years. It has passed CBA. Our economic situation won't be the same in 2012 as it is in 2009.

D'Peoples Voice

Fender543 wrote: »

The facts are these: 800 Quinn jobs in Navan, the opening of the office is planned for June 09, how I know you ask, I know a planner with Quinn Insurance, the Kells office is being closed and 250 from there are being moved plus an additional 450 to be recruited from the local !!!

I'll paste in the link for the Regional Hospital, great news for Navan
http://www.meathchronicle.ie/articles/1/33572

In a down turn what do you do ??
Plan for the upturn, Motor way complete by 2010, if you leave Navan tomorrow morning at 7am, all you will see one long line of cars,vans and buses in front of you, and the same behind of white lights.

Rail link to Dunboyne is nearly complete, its another 12 - 15 miles to Navan from Dunboyne. This will be completed and will again be a added bonus to the Navan area.

Oh and lets not forget the Dublin Outer Orbital Route which will come to Navan also - any time now:D

DWCommuter

spacetweek wrote: »

Our economic situation won't be the same in 2012 as it is in 2009.

It could be worse than it is now. It could be better. Who knows?

As for the tried and trusted method of investing in infrastructure during lean times, its practical for a lot of countries, but remember that Irelands boom was driven by property at an unsustainable rate. We have rapidly decreasing tax takes (ie cash coming in) and virtually nothing to spend on infrastructure. The country has no real firm indigenous industry to develop exports and growth in exchequer returns. It was all based on property booms that the so called high and mighty thought would last forever.We are planning to borrow just to keep existing services afloat. That borrowing is up to the ceiling. If we go beyond that ceiling of borrowing to fund infrastructure, then we get the fancy public transport projects and boom takes a lot longer to come back due to the crippling national debt that we would have ratcheted up.

We simply do not have the industry like that of the UK, France or Germany. We built an economy on paper. We simply do not have the vast sums of money to fund infrastructure in a recession. The Government know this, but will keep spinning for as long as they can. Navan is not getting its rail extension from Dunboyne. Dublin probably won't get its Metro North and as for the Dart Tunnel, yeah right.

I am pro rail projects road projects bus projects etc etc. But T21 stands for nothing more than a list of projects with funding ringfenced on the basis of 2005 exchequer returns and similar projections. Thats all got pete tong now. My evidence? Do I really have to reiterate the economic reality this country is facing.

Bottom line? Too much procrastination over the years and then time ran out. its not that complicated if you take a decent interest in things. If you don't then you inevitably spout the predictable banter of our so called Government. But its your right, just like its mine to pee all over the fantasy world some people choose to inhabit. Sorry, but reality is hard. All the prayers, internet posts, wishes, dreams, texts, phonecalls and emails in the world won't build a railway to Navan. Money will, but thats a tad short.

Nostradamus

DWCommuter wrote: »

It could be worse than it is now. It could be better. Who knows?

I am willing to bet it will actually be much worse. The USA economy is living off paper money printed out of thin air with nothing to back it up except massive inflationary cycles in the years to come.

Most of our foreign investment is from the USA - dollar is worthless now.
We have almost no national economy of our own - building houses was not a sound economic development the geniuses have finally figured out
The Euro is rocketing in value - too expensive for British and American multinationals to remain here
We have a Government who are only interested in getting a YES to Lisbon vote and nothing else - we would be better off if we were out of the EU and had control over our own currency and interest rates again
Our old reliable; tourism, is ruin thanks to all the half-built mansions which have destroyed the countryside.


Add all the above coupled with energy insecurity, global poltical issues and Gombeen Stroke Poltics and excuse me for being pessimistic but we are looked F'd-in-the-A for a VERY long time.


I am simply amazed when the likes of Cowan, ERSI, George Lee etc talk about "economic activity picking up in 2010" - which is about as reality based as an double amputee expecting to score the wining goal in the next World Cup Finals and win the Tour De France at halftime.

Things are shocking bad out there and we have only just started to collaspe.

Rail to Navan in 2015? Maybe if Dempsey's buys his kid a Hornby train set.

DWCommuter

Interestingly, Cowen said today that he expects the deficit to be even greater in 2010. Considering this Governments financial predictions thus far I take that to mean they will be disasterous and unprecedented. But one wonders when they will be honest enough to own up re rail projects, so we can at least get the small incremental projects like the PPT and look again at routing trains to Navan via Drogheda. It would be a huge tragedy if we got absolutely nothing out of all this. So far (excluding the daft wrc)the rail and luas projects have been driven by property development and not areas of dire need. The single most impressive plan (Midleton) did everything by the book and waited nearly 30 years for a green light. The WRC comes from a background of false social injustice claims, whinging, moaning and diatribe of the higest contradictory order.

Rail plans in this country have been shrouded in lies, deceit, complacency, political interference and skullduggery. Plain and simple.

Nostradamus

DWCommuter wrote: »

Rail plans in this country have been shrouded in lies, deceit, complacency, political interference and skullduggery. Plain and simple.

You should write a book on Irish Railway History from a reality based standpoint and what you wrote above should be the foreword. Becuase that is the absolute truth beyond a showdow of a doubt.

SeanW

+1 to both of the above.

There is a nice thread on Rail Users Ireland explaining all the crap surrounding the Navan railway alignment and many of the obstacles recently built on it, unfortunately that thread is in the private section. Summary for Fender543: The Dunboyne-Navan railway will not happen in the next 10 years, maybe not even 20 or further. FF has been promising the Navan Line since they came to power in '97, it was a pack of lies then and it's a pack of lies now.

DWCommuter

SeanW wrote: »

+1 to both of the above.

There is a nice thread on Rail Users Ireland explaining all the crap surrounding the Navan railway alignment and many of the obstacles recently built on it, unfortunately that thread is in the private section. Summary for Fender543: The Dunboyne-Navan railway will not happen in the next 10 years, maybe not even 20 or further. FF has been promising the Navan Line since they came to power in '97, it was a pack of lies then and it's a pack of lies now.

Sean, a similar thread is also available here with photos of the obstacles. Ive made sure that its as well documented as possible.

Banjoxed

Fender543 wrote: »

I'm from Navan and have been keeping an eye on the regional development plan here for years. The exciting parts are the Regional Hospital planned for Either Tara Mines site or a site near Balresk 1 mile outside Navan. The planned date for the start on the hospital is Spring 09, when finished it will have a work force of 2500, Quinn Insurance is opening its office in Navan in June 09, 800 will be employed. Also with this Rail link into Navan, planned for 2015. Things have started to look up for Navan. Motor Way open in 2010. About time we have some work in Navan.

Must have missed the rail link. And the Regional Hospital. How's the Quinn Insurance thing as well?

What goodies promised now in the East will never materialise in any of our lifetimes, and why are voters so bloody gullible? However Dempsey delivered all right - a gigantic outdoor relief scheme that needs shadow tolls. Nice one for the landowners though.

Infini

Banjoxed wrote: »

Must have missed the rail link. And the Regional Hospital. How's the Quinn Insurance thing as well?

What goodies promised now in the East will never materialise in any of our lifetimes, and why are voters so bloody gullible? However Dempsey delivered all right - a gigantic outdoor relief scheme that needs shadow tolls. Nice one for the landowners though.

Uhh...... nice 7 year old necro bump! :P

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