Cheating in the Leaving Cert???

eoghan h

During the pres a large majority of my class cheated in the bathroom....

Sheets with formula's etc.....

What's there to stop people from doing this in the Leaving Cert???

It seems kinda pointless if people can just go to the toilet and have the answers in their pockets......

Alibear

Hmmm... I'd say some of the "supervisers" would cope on if you were going to the toilet quite a lot...

eoghan h

it only takes one toilet break to pull out a sheet with the necessary words for your essay/formula etc....

Kidd-o

nothing persay, but when i sat my leaving last year, the bathrooms were checked for books and stuff like that... but if your gonna have apage in your pocket nothing i guess...

i know when i sat mine a vast majority of people wrote formulas on the inside of their calculators, they got away with it, but you can be asked to show your stuff at any time...

dont risk it, not being able to sit a state exams for 5 years? madness

daggy

ok well i dont know about your school but my school had two supervisors, and each supervisor had two assistants. Whenever a student left for a bathroom break, they were accompanied by the assistant, who waited outside the door and time is taken upon exit and arrival so i don't think it would go unnoticed mate...

As im sure you know,cheating = banned from taking leaving cert for a good frigging few years! Two years ago a girl in my school was caught texting in her leaving. BIG deal.

meeka

daggy wrote: »

ok well i dont know about your school but my school had two supervisors, and each supervisor had two assistants. Whenever a student left for a bathroom break, they were accompanied by the assistant, who waited outside the door and time is taken upon exit and arrival so i don't think it would go unnoticed mate...

Ah I dunno, it don't think it's that strict in every school. Last year I did the attending in my school, and there were just the three of us (just having finished 5th year at the time).

The guys bathroom is just off the foyer, and since we were sitting in the foyer, we didn't need to escort them a few metres across the hall .. we were hardly going to follow them in! And for the girls bathroom, just one of us went with each girl at a time, but the invigilators seemed to be letting two or three girls go at once.

Also during the last couple of exams, the only invigilator remaining actually left the hall to go to the bathroom , and asked me to "stand at the door and keep an eye on them". Lol.

Maybe we were just too lax or something. But yeah, it definitely would be possible to cheat, if you really wanted. Definitely not worth the risk though, and uh.. morally wrong!

daggy

suppose it all depends on the school...but sure morality dictates the answer really lol.

Last year at my school, A girl in my class cheated the whole way through her leavin cert. She got caught on her very last exam.

The annoying thing is they only cancelled that exam.. She did sound without that one subject and is in college now.

Btw, the supervisors.. do not "cop on" .. All they do is sit there and drink tea.. Our one fell asleep.

eoghan h

we have the assistants thing too but their transition year students and they can't follow you into the cubicle...

As for time.......you felt sick

I don't plan on cheating but it seems too easy!

Overheal

Ava Adore that sounds stupid and ridiculous o_0 I would have flayed the bitch.

Cheating is all about your own morality but I will say I observed in both sittings that yes; there is the potential for bending the rules and it shows a serious failing on the DoE. I've considered a few, never carried them out either time on the fear of disqualification. Regret it? Only the first time around

All I can say is post all your little ideas so maybe some examiners will have a read and cop on to your ploys..

Cokehead Mother

I cut the quadratic formula into my arm for the junior cert maths exam. It served it's purpose admirably but I've constantly had to explain it to people over the last 2 years.

Cheating is bad.

kirving

Those sheets with the toilet times just get thrown in the bin, nothing is checked with them.

Also, cheating in the leaving is very possilbe, someone with an ipod touch could even go on the net in the bathrooms if they were quick! Although getting caught far outweighs any benefits. No exams for years?! You couldn't even take you driving test!

Overheal

Cokehead Mother wrote: »

I cut the quadratic formula into my arm for the junior cert maths exam. It served it's purpose admirably but I've constantly had to explain it to people over the last 2 years.

Cheating is bad.

pics or it didnt happen.

havent you heard of a pen? I mean... what?!

Surely at the cost of self mutilation I would have remembered x^2 + y + c = 0 :eek:

Robbo

Overheal wrote: »

Surely at the cost of self mutilation I would have remembered x^2 + y + c = 0 :eek:

Better get mutilating because you don't seem to have remembered it correctly...

Xavi6

I cheated my arse off for all my exams; summer, Christmas, state, college. It's amazing how great little postits can be when it comes to holding info. All it takes is one word to jog a memory and it worked for me.

I'm not saying what I did was right but I'm not ashamed of it either. If you're prepared for the consequences then go for it but don't go crying if you get caught.

EamonnKeane

Keep your notes in a lunchbox in the toilet cistern.

Kidd-o

some schools check those...

Yuugib

u could always write them on the private parts of the body, i mean who on earth is going to check it in the exam?

But in my case it better to pass the reall thing with dignity
havent cheated at all before.. well exept kind of looked at the info of what was comming up in the mocks, but still studied as much as usually did

in the end if u dont do as good as u hoped, mabe u ll be better off in life then.. who knows

spinandscribble

i can think of loads of way to cheat. putting notes in your underwear (seriously who's going to check?). personally i havnt cheated since 1st class when i wrote a spelling on my rubber im so ashamed of myself. would never do it again, i couldnt live with myself.
anyway when i was a supervisors assistant the students would as me questions every time i brought them to the bathroom. thankfully it always science questions and i hadnt a clue!

eoghan h

if ya really wanted to cheat ya could have a full scanned copy of the book on your ipod.....

I can't see how you can get caught if you cheat in the toilets....

carving the formula on your arm was stupid......By the time you had finished carving the -b formula you probably had already memorised it

If they cheat and then go on to college they will more than likely fail and drop out.

Fad

i was an ''assistant'' last year, and theres really fuck all that you can do, sure you could report them but why would i bother, im getting paid to sit around and play playstation why would i want to get into all the hassle of ratting someone out

(also the 6th years who were cheating were fecking HUGE)

Da Bomber

An easy way is to prerecord english essays and stuff on your ipod,put the earphone up your sleeve then lie on your hand when your doing the exam,it would be pefect for history and stuff. Never tried it but i know a guy who did it a few years ago in the leavin and it worked like a charm.

However i don't condone cheating;)

Overheal

Robbo wrote: »

Better get mutilating because you don't seem to have remembered it correctly...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadratic_equation

I'm so far beyond A and B at this stage I program 3d physics simulations - your pencil pushing is meaningless to me mwahaha so yeah a slip-up but im sorry why did you need to cut the quadratic form into your arm? Thats just ****ed up: have you seen a professional?

Fad wrote: »

i was an ''assistant'' last year, and theres really fuck all that you can do, sure you could report them but why would i bother, im getting paid to sit around and play playstation why would i want to get into all the hassle of ratting someone out

(also the 6th years who were cheating were fecking HUGE)

take bribes.

Xhristy

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Xavi6

Myth wrote: »

If they cheat and then go on to college they will more than likely fail and drop out.

Not me. I've got my nice degree in Journalism and Media Communications.

Xavi6

Xavi6 wrote: »

Not me. I've got my nice degree in Journalism and Media Communications.

Yup. And for every one...

irish_boy90

personally i write everything i need to know on a sheet and look at it before they give me my paper.

Once they are just about to hand it to you, Throw it into your bag and write everything on it on the sheet as fast as you can before you forget it.

Was reading the guide to better grades on my papers the other day and saw it actually said that lol.

If there is anything I really don't know I make the effort to focus on it when I study, so I have never really needed to cheat.

Robbo

Overheal wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadratic_equation

I'm so far beyond A and B at this stage I program 3d physics simulations - your pencil pushing is meaningless to me mwahaha so yeah a slip-up but im sorry why did you need to cut the quadratic form into your arm? Thats just ****ed up: have you seen a professional?



take bribes.

If you go back to the OP, you'll see it was the quadratic formula not a quadratic equation.

Fad

Overheal wrote: »

take bribes.

id love to but, the thing is i was working for the department of education, and having not yet sat my leaving cert i dont think itd be a good idea to get on their bad side!:p

Killaqueen!!!

Yeah, I really can't see them checking your iPod as you go in (unless you're told to empty your pockets and your not allowed anything in - dunno how this works I'm in 5th year). But I've done the whole earphone down your sleeve thing (just for listening to music in class) and it could work. But supervisors would probably notice and you'd have to have it on really low volume.

I think supervisors are the same for each exam so if you went to the toilet even just once per exam they'd be a tad suspicious..? That said, they can't follow you into the cubicle, where you can look at notes on iPod etc.

Xhristy

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bUILDERtHEbOB

I was an assistant last year, we found some books left in the toilet, so we picked them up and sold them in a second hand bookshop for €20.:p Serves them right for trying to cheat I say.

teckoda

Hahahah, thats pretty funny. I was thinking of ideas of how it would be possible to cheat. There are many ways in fact, which would probably go unnoticed.

GERMAN ROCKS

how much do u get paid for being an assistant

ANarcho-Munk

Personally I don't see anything morally wrong with cheating in the Leaving Cert what so ever.

I'm not saying that the LC doesn't "work" but the whole logic behind it is completly flawed and it's just not right. I don't see the harm in cheating to get through it.

bUILDERtHEbOB

For doing the assistant job you get the grand sum of €5.81 an hour.

Kidd-o

@ ANarcho-Munk

Are you kidding? Do you think its fair that people cheat and get more points thus raising the national average and limiting places in colleges... where as honest joe soaps, work hard and dont cheat and end up suffering being 5 points off their course...

imho, i think its rediculous, sorry if this is harsh, but i maintain that if anyone cheats in there leaving and gets away with it, any degree they get is a farce, a joke...

heyjude

Kidd-o wrote: »

imho, i think its rediculous, sorry if this is harsh, but i maintain that if anyone cheats in there leaving and gets away with it, any degree they get is a farce, a joke...

Cheating is pretty widespread in university exams too and the examiners/supervisors are just as poor at noticing what is going on.

Furthermore, the people I know who were cheating, went on to get their degrees and whether these degrees are a farce or not, the cheats weren't caught and went on to get good jobs afterwards as a result.

It has certainly made me wonder about the value of any college/university qualification and to be more wary of taking them at face value.

Fad

GERMAN ROCKS wrote: »

how much do u get paid for being an assistant

i got about 420 i think

CASH!:)

pity it was spent in about a week

Xhristy

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Overheal

The cleverest I've seen was a girl that used her calculator: Used masking tape to cover the inside of the lid and used that space to write all her hard to recall maths equations and stuff.

I hate her for that >_>

spinandscribble

back at secondary school and in college they never let us bring in the back of the calculator

brendac

legend has it that a few years ago there was this supervisor in one of the exam halls in our school. Apparently he let the students bring their books in to study before the exam and then told them to put them under the desk when the exam was about to start. One of the students mistakenly put the answer books away with her books and so asked for another. When she got out she realised she had it so for the next exam she wrote **** loads of stuff in that answer book, with pencil I presume so she could get rid of it, bought it in with her and put the new answer book away with her books again. So she did the same thing for all the exams. Mad the stuff you can get away with if you have the nerve!
I myself think its definately not worth the risk

Peleus

simplest thing to do with no chance of getting caught:

write english essay/formulas down on your phone, save it as a text message. Turn off the start-up noise/tone on your phone and turn your phone off before the exam. then just go to the toilets, turn on your phone and read the text message. theres no way you could get caught, cos if they find your phone in the exam you can just say its off.

i'm not sure if they have some thing about bringing mobiles into the exams. but that would definately work. very handy for maths/physics formulae that are just impossible to remember.

oh and one more thing, do they have to let you out to use the toilets? cos in our school exams, you cant leave the use the toilet no matter how much you need to. do they have to let you out during the leaving or does it vary from school to school?

Bunnywabbit*

Well, I'm actually doing my leaving this year, and the amount of girls cheating was unbelivable! Now, whatever about the Pre's but I would not even chance it in the Leaving cert! :eek:

Although in a school in Cork, a girl was caught cheating.... had the answers written on her arms and her exams weren.t canceled.... :rolleyes:

Poxyshamrock

whats all this about going to the toilet?
when i was doing my JC we werent allowed to go to the toilets

Bunnywabbit*

Yeah thats a popular thing now.... we're allowed more than once in each exam... with an all girls school there's loadsa excuses... :rolleyes:

Killaqueen!!!

Haha yeah, they can't not let girls go the toilets

tolosenc

During my leaving last year, I went to the jax in the middle of each exam. Got to stretch my legs, to change the scenery, clearer air, a chance to chat with my friend who was one of the assistants. The invigilator, MARKS ON YOUR ANSWER BOOK that you left.

Regards cheating: A guy in my year covered his upper legs with relevant information, did as much of the exam that he could, a quick trip to the jacks, then finished it.

I had thought about it for Maths, being the only thing realistically between me and my #1. Then thought that this could be the case for someone else too, and if I cheated and they didn't, and I got in and they didn't, that would be really mean and quite ****. I didn't do it and got a B1. Moral of that story: If you've done the work, there's no need to cheat. If you haven't, don't wreck it for those who have.

Mint Sauce

done my GCSEs and A-Levels before moving here, this was before mobiles and ipods (12 to 14 years ago), for both subjects you were only allowed a few pens, pencils, ruler, rubber etc, no pencil cases or calclator cases, had to leave your blaziers out side, so no deep pockets. for a three hour exam, no leaving to go to the toilet in the first hour or last half hour

during the GCSEs, we had one particlar teacher who could hardly control a class of 20, when she was left in an exam hall with 30 to 40 on her own for about 5 minutes when the othr teacher escorted a studet to the toilet, a few took full advantage, and were openly talking, and a few even discusssing the questions

during the A-levels, you could wear your own clothes, with reports of answered concealed in clothing, on the under side of baseball cap peaks, etc, the same as above for staionary