Duddy's performance

sligobhoy67

Is the a shaking my head smiley somewhere?

What can I say - simply - dissapointment, fought the wrong fight and handled Smichet all wrong. I found it hard to watch and Duddy's naivity embrassing.

If he even thinks about getting in a ring with Pavlik it better be just for the money because he hasnt a hope of winning.

:mad::(

sligobhoy67

I watched the fight last night and was shocked at how bad Duddy was - I knew Walid was tough (see youtube for the Demers fight) but I thought Duddy would have enough to win every round and maybe a round 9 or 10 stoppage but no KO. I watched rounds 1 -5 through my fingers and couldnt believe John wouldnt use his guard.

Anyway I watched the fight again today and it wasnt sooooooo bad - it was bad just not terribly bad. Duddy was stupid and fought the wrong fight.

I scored it thus

RD1: 10-9 Smichet - first minute Duddy schooled him but then the Smichet bombs landed

RD2: 10-9 Duddy - Duddy's superior boxing skills

RD3: 10-9 Duddy - All Duddy for the first two and a half minutes but then came the Walid bombs which landed - possibly even.


RD4: 10-9 Smichet - Good round - good trading of blows, Duddy workrate could have taken it/it could have been even but I gave it to Smichet for his more eye catching work

RD5: 10-10 Even - Smichet dominant - then Duddy - then Smichet - then Duddy - couldnt call that one!

RD6: 10-9 Duddy - Duddy outboxes Walid

RD7: 10-9 Duddy - even exchanges but then Duddy outboxes - Duddy starts boxing on the outside and it proves effective

RD8: 10-9 Duddy - Intermitant Walid shots lands but Duddy's jab wins the round

RD9: 10-9 Duddy - clear Duddy round (possibly the only one!) move movement, better range of shots

RD10: 10-10 Even - Duddy possibly won this one also but it was scrappy

97-94 Duddy

Anyone know the punchstats?

theone

I have few taken from here

duddy threw 850 Smichet 767 duddy landed 296 to Smichet's 220

Smichet landed 47 power shots in the first round, duddy showed him no respect at all ,maybe the people that think he has a chance against pavlik should watch this fight.

That bad cut he had over his left eye might be blessing in disguise that won't heal before june.

duddy should of boxed more like he did in the last few rounds he was still gettng caught but nowhere near as much.He's much better then he showed but he's not world class.

ODD-JOB

He got a chin though :rolleyes:

jayroyal

WHAT A FIGHT he's a tough guy guess thats why we all like watching him ,he's got a chin and a half got caught so many times flush but never looked in wobbled at all.
He needs to use his skills and defence more but hey he's great to watch won't beat pavlik but he's be in some crackers along the way.

Wolfhillbilly

I didn't see the fight but from what I heard on teh radio Duddy was very disappointing. He was interviewed on Radio Ulster and said as much himslef. He isn't a bull****ter which is one of the reasons why he is so popular I suppose. He said straight up that it wasn't good eneough and if I get into the ring with Pavlik and do that I'll get beat. He is a nice guy and I'd love to see him progress but really he isn't good enough. Taking punches from Smichet is different to taking punches from Pavlik.
Smichet said after the fight 'look at his face and look at mine, who do you think won eth fight?' That is exactly what that English fighter (Picking?) said after he fought Dunne- I fear that Duddy and Dunne have more than that in common? I dont think there is any genuine Irish world class fighters at the minute - and that includes Andy Lee. I've seen him twice against Healy and McKay and haven't been impressed at all.

pacman murphy

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

Is the a shaking my head smiley somewhere?

What can I say - simply - dissapointment, fought the wrong fight and handled Smichet all wrong. I found it hard to watch and Duddy's naivity embrassing.

If he even thinks about getting in a ring with Pavlik it better be just for the money because he hasnt a hope of winning.

:mad::(

Duddy's performance last night was nowhere near world class standard and was very poor overall.Kelly Pavlik would have finished Duddy off in the early rounds if he was fighting him last night.I also thought that Duddy looked drained or overtrained last night.He looked very thin around the lower leg and compared to Pavlik or any other top middleweight like Taylor or Abraham his physique and power would definitely have him looking like a jr. middleweight.

raven136

for once jim watt and sky may have been right,they were saying turner wasnt the right cornerman for duddy,he needed someone stronger to tell him what to do.His dropping of his hands with a cut that bad was criminal and although he is great to watch in excitement terms he really would be shown up against a world class fighter.Pavlik would have a field day with him and so would many other middleweights of decent standards

JoeyJJ

If duddy continues along these lines he may have serious damage down the years. I really fear for him when I see a fighter not wobbling after taking punches like that.

He really needs to be disciplined in his approach box like he did in the last 5 rounds from the start and if his opponent is ready to be KO'ed then do it, not try to KO him straight away and if it doesn't happen try to out box him.

~Marky~

I am still in shock over it..He looked liked a amateur out there and if Smichet had not started to tire durring the end Duddy could have been seriously hurt.
I dont know why he just couldnt block the punches that where comming at him.

dlofnep

You're all missing the bigger picture here. The fight went the way it went because Duddy wanted it to go that way. If Duddy wanted to win every round on the card, he would of. He was catering to the fans. He said it in the corner and his cornerman told him he has to impress nobody. From then on, Duddy fought a more cautious fight.

If you think Duddy would fight like that against Pavlik, you're delusional. I still fancy Duddy/Pavlik as a competitive fight. Duddy has a chin of steel and Pavlik doesn't.

raven136

who now for pavlik and duddy.Arum was talking of pavlik fighting maybe 3 times before the end of the year so who will he fight now in may or june.

If the injury takes long to heal up,how long will it take duddy to get back to this position again?or will he get a shot as soon as he has healed?
Surely Pavlik and others will see his lack of defence as the perfect opponent,he is exciting and doesnt lack a killer punch,the ideal fight for a champ.
Johnny nelson may be right,the middleweight Mccullough?

nacho libre

dlofnep wrote: »

You're all missing the bigger picture here. The fight went the way it went because Duddy wanted it to go that way. If Duddy wanted to win every round on the card, he would of. He was catering to the fans. He said it in the corner and his cornerman told him he has to impress nobody. From then on, Duddy fought a more cautious fight.

If you think Duddy would fight like that against Pavlik, you're delusional. I still fancy Duddy/Pavlik as a competitive fight. Duddy has a chin of steel and Pavlik doesn't.

true, he probably went into the fight with one eye on the big showdown with Pavlik during the Summer. However, if Pavlik could get through Taylor's defense, for Pavlik it will be like taking candy from a baby getting through Duddy's defense- as Duddy has no head movement at all. He does not possess the punching power of a Nigel Benn. He does have Collin's granite jaw which i see as a negative because it could mean he'll just endure too much punishment against the likes of Pavlik.

he comes across as a really sound and honest guy in interviews so it would be great if i was wrong about his chances...

dlofnep

Duddy's head movement is actually good - i don't think we were watching the same fighter, the problem is in keeping his hands held too low. I think his camp need to incorporate a peekaboo defense after he's thrown, instead of waiting to be hit back square in the face.

Running Bing

dlofnep wrote: »

You're all missing the bigger picture here. The fight went the way it went because Duddy wanted it to go that way. If Duddy wanted to win every round on the card, he would of. He was catering to the fans. He said it in the corner and his cornerman told him he has to impress nobody. From then on, Duddy fought a more cautious fight.

If you think Duddy would fight like that against Pavlik, you're delusional. I still fancy Duddy/Pavlik as a competitive fight. Duddy has a chin of steel and Pavlik doesn't.

I thinks thats delusional tbh.


Duddy(along with lee) is my fav boxer. He's charismatic, honest and always puts on a good show but it is clear he is nowhere near Pavliks level and I think he could get seriously hurt in a fight.

Pavlik will clearly have no problem whatsoever getting through duddy's defence(Duddy's 29 now as well he isnt gonna learn at this stage) and Pavlik hits bloody hard. Its not just the other night either, he just takes too many shots and lacks the power and technical ability to beat someone like Pavlik.

The fact that Duddy can take so much punishment is just a worry for me.


Bottom line is he fought a ten round fight against somebody called Walid Smichet, and as much as you like to think he allowed smichet hit him like that it got to the stage where the fight could have easily been stopped.

jayroyal

Babybing wrote: »

I thinks thats delusional tbh.


Duddy(along with lee) is my fav boxer. He's charismatic, honest and always puts on a good show but it is clear he is nowhere near Pavliks level and I think he could get seriously hurt in a fight.

Pavlik will clearly have no problem whatsoever getting through duddy's defence(Duddy's 29 now as well he isnt gonna learn at this stage) and Pavlik hits bloody hard. Its not just the other night either, he just takes too many shots and lacks the power and technical ability to beat someone like Pavlik.

The fact that Duddy can take so much punishment is just a worry for me.


Bottom line is he fought a ten round fight against somebody called Walid Smichet, and as much as you like to think he allowed smichet hit him like that it got to the stage where the fight could have easily been stopped.

you got to be kidding me why would of it been stopped are you crazy he took a hell of a lot of sots never looked hurt at all.He aways was throwing back punches the only way was maybe because of the cut. He also did bob and weave his head a bit in the fight and was good at it . He's just didn't do it enough at all.

Running Bing

jayroyal wrote: »

you got to be kidding me why would of it been stopped are you crazy he took a hell of a lot of sots never looked hurt at all.He aways was throwing back punches the only way was maybe because of the cut.

Maybe:rolleyes:


His eye was ripped apart, horrid cut and no chance of him fighting in June now, thats how serious it was. In another city on another night could have easily been a stoppage.

jayroyal wrote: »

He also did bob and weave his head a bit in the fight and was good at it . He's just didn't do it enough at all.

Smichet got some good shots on Duddy...just didnt do it enough.


Ive been watching Duddy for a long time now. No matter how much you make excuses for him he is poor defensively. He gets hit a lot and thats just his style as a fighter. Makes for some very exciting fights but makes him very very vulnerable to quality opposition.

nacho libre

dlofnep wrote: »

Duddy's head movement is actually good - i don't think we were watching the same fighter, the problem is in keeping his hands held too low. I think his camp need to incorporate a peekaboo defense after he's thrown, instead of waiting to be hit back square in the face.

well, i didn't actually see this fight yet.:o I was basing my comments on some of his previous fights of his where there was very little head movement from him and he'd just walk into punches. it would be good if he had the ability to improve on the things you specified before fighting someone of the calibre of Pavlik but to be honest i don't think he can. He's 28 or 29 now so using the excuse he's on a learning curve sounds a bit hollow. He's exciting to watch but i think against quality opposition he'll be ruthlessly exposed.