[Eve] back on eve, need a pos, how much

daauneal

Ok so NTL is half working with eve again, still some disconnects but at least I can get online now. I was only playing eve for about a month when it knocked off so I have a lot of catching up to do , but it turns out the corp and alliance i was in was nearly destroyed, all our bases are gone and nearly everyone in the corp is in empire space. the alliance we're in is DMC and the corp is dynamic galactic solutions . anyway I was thinking cause I've been gone for so long and since the corp is stuck in empire I'd help fund some new pos's / bases for the corp to get us back on our feet again. do you think 7-8 billion isk would be enough for 4 stations close together or would I need more isk?
also how much would you say is needed to build/buy a new fleet of about 50-60 ships of all kinds including 2 capital ships?

My characters are daauneal and slave saver if anyone ever wants to contact me in game that needs help or just wants to do a mission. I will be just mainly sitting in a station for the next month tho as I have alot of training to do and not enough money for a new ship if I get blown up.

w0rm

ah no - R0ot

Sand

since the corp is stuck in empire I'd help fund some new pos's / bases for the corp to get us back on our feet again. do you think 7-8 billion isk would be enough for 4 stations close together or would I need more isk?

Do not spend a single ISK until you can answer that question yourself. Or you will be ripped off/fail epically.

What do you want the towers for? I assume if the corp is in Empire they do not need station services. If its for mining, check market and make sure its worth the investment as a *lot* of crap isnt, and the stuff that is tends to have a POS on it already. Live in the area and see whose active in the area - then you can guessestimate just how much defence you need on the POS guns. Its always good to overestimate though - a well set up large POS is a big old fashioned "**** Off" sign, whereas a lightly defended small practically invites trouble.

Ok so NTL is half working with eve again, still some disconnects but at least I can get online now. I was only playing eve for about a month when it knocked off .....I'd help fund some new pos's / bases for the corp to get us back on our feet again. do you think 7-8 billion isk would be enough for 4 stations close together or would I need more isk?
also how much would you say is needed to build/buy a new fleet of about 50-60 ships of all kinds including 2 capital ships?
.......I will be just mainly sitting in a station for the next month tho as I have alot of training to do and not enough money for a new ship if I get blown up.

And another thing, how do you get playing EVE for only a month, get inactive due to ISP issues, and come back with 7-8 billion ISK to splash around? And how are you able to fund POS and 50-60 ships but cant afford one of your own?

Your post is ...

Please play nice, sarcasm or not don't attempt scams you never realise how dumb people are. -R0ot

Reku

If he can't afford a new ship I think he means 7-8million isk, in which case I'm sorry to disappoint but even setting up a small POS costs about 500mil. If you're talking about building them in empire space you'll need to get all your corp's members to grind missions for storylines to get your corp's standings up with one of the factions, also you can't do much other than research with an empire space POS so unless you have some high value BPOs to research and sell on copies of you'll never make back the cost of them, not even just the day to day running costs of it.

daauneal

I'm broke because I spent all the rest of my money on implants. as I ended up coming back into what is now enemy space and lost all my old ones, I had 450, mil but that was between my two characters so it didnt last that long, i cant afford a new ship as in a mealstorm cause i dont have 100 mil to spare, I'm down to about 40 mil now. I'd spent close to 1 billion already on a station before , I was just waiting to get a faction tower on auction when the game was shut off on me, when I came back any stuff i had was in enemy stations so I put it up for auction and told my corp they could have the money, we're working towards getting a dread for our ceo right now and theres talk of a merger with a bigger corp, if we merge then the corp wont need my funding, if we dont merge then I'll help my corp become great again. we had about 6 pos's ( in 0.0 )when i went offline now we've got nout and we're stuck in empire.
The reason I want to help my corp is because i joined them after 7 hours of playing eve and jumped 41 jumpgates in a rookie ship to get to the pos. on my first day in the game I was in deep 0.0 space and they helped me out far more than expected, they gave me a couple of mil to get myself set up bought me a new ship when i got blown up,( which was every 30 mins for my first few days:D) and bought a full library of skill books that only I needed to learn. they also took me ratting and mining where all i had to do was not get killed and they'd give me an equal share of everything, ( which was about 8 mil an hour) and that kind of money four days into the game isnt bad at all . so I want to repay them or all the kindness they showed me.

daauneal

Sand wrote: »

And another thing, how do you get playing EVE for only a month, get inactive due to ISP issues, and come back with 7-8 billion ISK to splash around? And how are you able to fund POS and 50-60 ships but cant afford one of your own?

Your post is ...

If I told you how I make my money then everyone would be doing it and I wouldnt be able to make such vast amounts anymore:D:p

only joking. I'll sell time codes and make about billion from that, how I turn that into 10 billion is my secret.;) oh and my corps I suppose

bizmark

hmm how dodgy

Zillah

*reads the whole thread*

Uhmm, so what did you want from us again?

daauneal

advice on if that was enough cash for four pos's and how much I might need for a sizable fleet. also if anyone knew what if anything is a waste to buy, like should i buy a large ship assembly array and an advanced large ship array , or just the advanced one. and if anyone knew the best layout/setup for a strong pos.
I'm sorry if I've confused anyone , I'm not trying to waste anyones time , just hoping someone can help. the only people in my corp that could help me on these things are very busy with the politics side and trying to sort themselves out at the moment. I've bought stuff for a pos before but never made one so I'm not sure about the ins and outs of whats useful and whats not when building one . . . or four.

for the record selling time codes is legal in the game , I know its a bit of a cop out being easy money, but I haven't got time to grind for the amount of isk needed . I usually make my isk the old fashioned way (mining/ratting/scanning).

R0ot

4 POS Say normal large, with guns and other mods needed for defense and corp use, including fuel for say 1 week would retail @ about 2-3bil.

Zillah

Do you plan on having these poses set up in 0.0? How do you plan on keeping them alive?

As for the fleet...it really depends on who's flying what and what is being fitted. Fittings often cost as much/more than the ship itself. Also, people usually pay for their own ships...

kyp_durron

This will end in tears...

Sand

Daa - Im just not sure what an empire based corp needs POS *for*? Researching BPOs - Good. Ship manufacturing - Good. Moon mining.....distinctly meh, and thats even in 0.0 let alone low sec. There are stations in practically every system so no one needs them for station services. An average sized corp would need 2 tops, and could maybe squeeze the two functions onto one Large POS.

Best thing to do before you go rushing off to buy loads of faction towers and stuff is to check with the corp leadership and see if they have the research and manufacturing angle covered already [ and ask without blabbing "cos if you dont, Ill pay for it all" ]. Its very, very likely they have those assets in an alt corp assuming theyre organised even half right.

As for buying people ships and stuff....no. People of above borderline intelligence should be able to take care of their own ship losses with even some minor mission running/mining plus insuring their ships. If they cant, theyre helpless incompetents and you should do evolution a favour and not subsidise their foolishness. Buying 50 plus ships? Nope.

If you have that kind of money and really want to spend it on corp mates then buy useful, cheap, disposable PvP gang ships for younger players - ewar cruisers, tackling frigates with basic T1 gear so they can X up effectively "free" and provide something useful rather than being crappy mission fitted Drake #342 [Gaaaawd I hate Drakes].

TBH - you dont know enough about POS to start investing in one. Wait, research the whole POS deal. Get on the Test server and experiment with deploying one [ It takes a *long* time, and youre very vulnerable unless youve got a major escort party] etc etc. Get one of those out of game POS fitting tools. Read up the FAQs in the official EVE online forums, and www.eve-guides.com

DO NOT BUY ANYTHING UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT YOURE DOING - or youll fail horribly. You cant answer the questions youve put forward, hence youre not in a position to be spending 7-8 billion isk on anything. You can buy GTCs, you cant buy experience. Youll always have the benefit of experience but you can easily piss away ISK.

Christ, we had a noob mothership pilot [bought character - 2 or 3 months experience in game total] ready to give his officer fitted Mothership to our CEO whilst he went off to apply to our corp in his pod because he couldnt figure out how else to apply. Luckily for him, our CEO is way too honest and just told him to shag right off to whatever comedy killmail awaits him. Id have stolen it and podded him in his crystal implant set with his own my MS tbh. And rejected his application. Dont be that guy.

kencleary

Sand wrote: »

Christ, we had a noob mothership pilot [bought character - 2 or 3 months experience in game total] ready to give his officer fitted Mothership to our CEO whilst he went off to apply to our corp in his pod because he couldnt figure out how else to apply. Luckily for him, our CEO is way too honest and just told him to shag right off to whatever comedy killmail awaits him. Id have stolen it and podded him in his crystal implant set with his own my MS tbh. And rejected his application. Dont be that guy.

Hah I wonder if it's the guy we killed a few weeks ago using a X-Large Booster on his Wyvern rather than a capital booster, though that said there have been a number of comedy killmail motherships recently.

Lil Miss Raep

What is a pos?

daauneal

It all matters not now as the corp is merging with another one now. so out of the deal they're getting what they need. I'll still look into getting a pos for myself in the future, and the fleet I was thinking about was mainly smaller ships for new recruits(but with no fittings) to entice people to the corp. But for now my main concern is actually getting online. I know theres a different thread about this already so I wont try to start another thread about it, but does anyone know of any proxy sites I could use to get thru the block ntl seem to have on eve? ( I had 7 different severs and two proxies , but they stopped working / failed on me on sunday) so if anyone knows any proxy sites they think would please pm me or post here , thank you.

( As I'm not sure about the legalities of different proxy / severs and such , I'd just like to say that if they are not legal to use then I'd still like to know what they are so I can stay away from such things;) )
Thanks again for the advice that people gave .

Zillah

Sand wrote: »

Luckily for him, our CEO is way too honest and just told him to shag right off

Oh...God...steal it...

Sand

Hah I wonder if it's the guy we killed a few weeks ago using a X-Large Booster on his Wyvern rather than a capital booster, though that said there have been a number of comedy killmail motherships recently.

Nah dont think so - Ive been keeping an eye of CAOD for the past week or so waiting for the inevitable and heard nothing yet. According to what the CEO was told it was a full officer fit, his mids were apparently a shield booster and then nothing but boost amps. No hardeners at all. Stacking penalties be damned!

He was also sitting in his Wyvren somewhere in the north east low sec. Name of LoggingSoon IIRC, used to be played by an Outbreak guy. From further checking seems this guys mother spent the best part of 2000 dollars to get him the character which came with the mothership. From what we were told this guys mum seems to buy him most of his high end characters and crap in a string of MMOs. Figure he reckoned a Wyvren was basically the equivalent of a Level 70 Palidan in WoW or some crap [ No I dont play WoW so the analogy is probably all wrong].

Heh - just looked him up, hes joined Razor, bio reads "Shiny Wyvren". Plonker. Command agent search running whilst I finish this post.

2008.02.26 19:37
The sleazebag is currently in the 49-U6U system, MPJW-6 constellation of the Querious region.

Someone whose not blue to Razor - Noob MS pilot to be ganked in Querious. Kill him please.

Oh...God...steal it...

Yep, like I told my CEO at the time stealing the MS was the best thing we could do. It would be A] Funny, B] Profitable and Useful. But it turns out my CEO is one of the few guys who you could lend an MS to and expect to get it back. Which is a good thing I guess, hes not likely to steal the corp wallet and go on a mad shopping spree at least.

Sad thing is, now he wants a Wyvren, when he had a free one practically in his hands only a week or two back :mad:

Zillah

Sand wrote: »

Someone whose not blue to Razor - Noob MS pilot to be ganked in Querious. Kill him please.

I'm actually very blue to Razor so I think I'll warn them to knock this guy into shape...

It would be A] Funny, B] Profitable and Useful.

Plus it would make him feel bad!

And there is a fairly big difference between "I'm the kind of person who will steal all of a corp's assets" and "I'm the kind of person who will steal a mothership from a complete stranger who is likely to get it destroyed anyway".

Sand

If you are matey with Razor tell them the best thing to do is to persuade this guy to store his MS in one of their POS so he can join in on an uber fun roaming gang. Then remove his access rights, kick him from corp and pod him back to Empire. Then give the MS to a Razor pilot who knows WTF theyre doing.

Firm, but fair. And it literally is the best they will get from this guy. The convo our guys had with him basically betrayed he didnt even get the basic concepts of shield tanking etc etc. He was asking 2-3 month old character questions.

And there is a fairly big difference between "I'm the kind of person who will steal all of a corp's assets" and "I'm the kind of person who will steal a mothership from a complete stranger who is likely to get it destroyed anyway".

True, Id never steal from corp, and if a corpmate/whatever was to lend me something of equivalent value Id give it back [never seen the point in ripping off mates over in game pixels tbh]. But some bought character who just rolls up spouting noobery? Thats a gift from God.

kyp_durron

Sand wrote: »

If you are matey with Razor tell them the best thing to do is to persuade this guy to store his MS in one of their POS so he can join in on an uber fun roaming gang. Then remove his access rights, kick him from corp and pod him back to Empire. Then give the MS to a Razor pilot who knows WTF theyre doing.

Yeah someone like Disc0, then he can warp to a pos with hostiles outside with the wrong PW : |

Sand

Yeah someone like Disc0, then he can warp to a pos with hostiles outside with the wrong PW : |

Harsh, very harsh.

Anyway - he was a Nyx pilot. Im sure theyve got a Wyvren pilot in the wings who can figure out whats the correct POS to warp to.

Keep me posted Zillah. I personally dislike this guy for no good reason other than hes a noob with a bought MS and Im not, so anything that causes him tears brings me pleasure.

Bill Andrex

Sand wrote: »

Daa - Im just not sure what an empire based corp needs POS *for*? Researching BPOs - Good. Ship manufacturing - Good. Moon mining.....distinctly meh,

Moon mining.....distinctly meh? It is if your on a **** moon, but if you do your homework and a lot of it, you could be making quite a bit of ISK for you and your corp.

There is no reason that a good moon mining setup cannot make you approx 250mil per month, when executed correctly. Its alot of work to maintain them and keep them running. It can be done in low-sec but its very risky due to the piwates. My advice to you is to start off with say a medium normal tower and take it from there, run that for a little while & build up slowly.

Zillah

Sand wrote: »

Keep me posted Zillah. I personally dislike this guy for no good reason other than hes a noob with a bought MS and Im not, so anything that causes him tears brings me pleasure.

I wasn't going to bother but I suppose I may as well, if for lols more than anything else.

Zillah

Hey Sand, Goons just saved some retarded Wyvern pilot from IAC who got himself in trouble. They're going on and on about what an idiot he was. Whats the name of the guy you were dealing with?

Sand

LoggingSoon - But that guy joined Razor last I heard?

Zillah

I dunno, maybe he moved. I'll check when I get home later.

css1

Regarding the OP, that's whats wrong with eve if you ask me. You can turn over 1b selling GTC's and not have a clue about even basic stuff... Do your research man, your own research... asking for advice is one thing, but babbling on about how you can turn such isks into 10 times it ain't gonna help, stick to your point..


Now where do I have to go to jump into this free wyvern again??? ?:D