Tap two brain cells, clarify.

Da Bounca

Can a trickbind http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/cards/14406.jpg stop a player from using a cycled decree of justice http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/cards/10837.jpg ?

Ivan

Unfortunately I dont know the official ruling on that card interaction as my play experience lately has been pretty limited, but from my interpretation of the cards, yes. A trickbind would counter a cycled decree of justice. As trickbind will counter an activated ability, i.e. Cycling of decree of justice cannot be stopped, but the ability that is activated by paying X when you cycle the card can be countered. The player who cycled the decree would still draw the card.

MatthewVII

Depending on what you want to do, this interaction can work in two ways:

1) You can stop the player drawing a card

2) You can stop the player getting the tokens

Cycling is an activated ability that says "pay cost, discard card : draw a card". This means it can be countered by Trickbind, but the token making trigger will still happen. So, in order:

The player announces they are cycling the card and pay the 3 mana. The cost involves discarding the card and triggers the token making ability from the graveyard. This goes on top of the "draw a card" trigger.

You now have two choices : Counter the activated ability (cycling) to stop the card draw but let the tokens resolve, or counter the triggered ability (token making) but let the player draw a card

Da Bounca

Thanks lads.
Matthew, we came to the same conclusion.

I have a bucket load of 'points of contention'.

Another one is a 14/4 trampler is blocked by mirri the cursed http://sales.starcitygames.com/cardscans/MAGPLACHA/mirri_the_cursed.jpg.
Does her counter come on straight away? She is first strike, so she is doing combat damage first, so gets a counter. Bringing her attack to 4, which is enough to take out the trampler. However seeing as the +1+1 comes on after first damage, does it count towards the first strike?

Da Bounca

Can't edit my post?
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/search_result_card.asp?id=14764
The previous link for mirri not working.

Ivan

Mirri would deal her first strike damage, first strike damage resolves and she gets her counter. But the 14/4 trampler only has 3 damage on it and Mirri only deals damage once. Double Strike allows a creature to deal first strike damage and normal damage, but Mirri doesnt have that so what happens then is that she deals her 3 damage, gets pumped up to 4/3. Then the tramplers damage resolves, dealing damage according to the controllers wishes but usually 3 damage to Mirri and then the remaining 11 damage to Mirri's controller.

Da Bounca

Cheers Ivan.

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A question :
It's my turn. I have an isochron sceptre with echoing truth on it. I tap 2, use isochron. I target a gilded lotus. The echoing truth gets forked by my opponent. Can I, in response to that, trickbind my isochron to stop the isochron casting the echoing truth in the first place? If so, what happens fork as it was announced and all that?

lee_arama

Oh no no no.

Trickbind responds to the activation trigger. Once the spell is out on the stack it needs to be counterspelled.

You cast Echoing Truth off the Sceptre and they fork it back to you; all you can do is 1. take it like a man, 2. take it like a man and fork it back, 3. Counterspell the forked copy.