007

jackdaw

I just finished the real Bond part of the 007 Box set and by Real Bond
I mean Roger Moore.

The man is legend.

he should still be playing Bond.

Im gonna look into getting Moores face and voice digitally imposed over the Dalton, Brosnan and Craig films ..

Legend

just look at this best Bond scene ever

aidan_walsh

Moore's movies were, by and large, jokes. And bad ones at that.

Sherifu

Moore was in no way, shape or form the real Bond. Even George Lazenby was a better Bond.

iMax

The only decent Roger Moore bond was "The Spy Who Loved Me" & then only because it was the definitive bond movie of the era, the car, the girls, the bad guy(s). The perfect bond & the only one I'd love to see remade.

My name is Todd

Timothy Dalton was more memorable. Hairspray is actually visible on Moore's head in every film, he was crap in action scenes because the wig would have fallen off

missingtime

My theory on this is; while the other actors who played him are probably better actors, Roger Moore is the better bond.

Lawless_Samurai

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Moore's movies were, by and large, jokes. And bad ones at that.

Yeah I’d have to agree there

Sherifu wrote: »

Moore was in no way, shape or form the real Bond. Even George Lazenby was a better Bond.

Lets not get crazy or anything

humanji

They were all good in their own right.

jackdaw

I knew I'd get this reaction , that's kinda why I posted, for me
Bond is not to be taken seriously and this is why Moore is the best Bond !

the other Bond films are great action flicks ... like the latest one. It doesn't even feel like a Bond movie -- but still a great flick at that.

There is just no more cheesiness like there was with Roger Moore ..

Petey2006

Every time I watch a Moore Bond (which is extremely rare) I keep waiting for his hip to snap.

Running Bing

jackdaw wrote: »

I just finished the real Bond part of the 007 Box set and by Real Bond
I mean Roger Moore.

The man is legend.

he should still be playing Bond.

Im gonna look into getting Moores face and voice digitally imposed over the Dalton, Brosnan and Craig films ..

Legend

just look at this best Bond scene ever

His films where a disgrace and a spit in the eye to anyone who holds the bond character dear.

Thats not what Bond is about at all and Im sure fleming turned in his grave. Almost single handedly killed the franchise. :mad:

humanji

jackdaw wrote: »

Bond is not to be taken seriously

That's where you're falling down. All the films and the books they're based on are serious with elements of humour. Bond is meant to be taken seriously. The Moore films were more comical and slapstick at times. That's not to say they were bad, since I enjoyed them, but they're they least Bond-like in that regard.

_Kaiser_

I dunno. My first exposure to the world of James Bond was the 80's Moore flicks so to me, he IS James Bond.

Connery always seemed to look too old for the role I thought. Brosnan was pretty good and the latest one is a good generic action/thriller flick but it definitely doesn't feel like a Bond movie.

keefg

Babybing wrote: »

Thats not what Bond is about at all and Im sure fleming turned in his grave. Almost single handedly killed the franchise. :mad:

I read somewhere that Moore was Flemings first choice to play Bond but he couldn't get out the contract he was in at the time (for either The Saint or The Pursuaders).

This argument is so old and will never be agreed upon, it's like trying to get a nation to agree on their favourite bar of chocolate or sweet and only one can be chosen....it's just impossible.

I think it just depends who played Bond when you were a kid and first got hooked on the whole spy, gadgets & cool cars thing. For me it was Moore and when I think of James Bond I think of him first......but that doesn't mean he was the best.

Anyhoo, in a couple of movies time there will be a whole new generation claiming that Daniel Craig is the definitive Bond and all the Bonds before were to old, crap, cheesy or whatever.

senordingdong

Sherifu wrote: »

Moore was in no way, shape or form the real Bond. Even George Lazenby was a better Bond.

I thought Lazenby was good, but that he just bogged down with an experimental script.

Wacker

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Connery always seemed to look too old for the role I thought.

I can't understand this at all. Didn't you notice how old Moore was in a View To A Kill? He was feckin' ancient!

I'm no fan of Roger Moore as Bond. Brosnan and Connerry were both really good, even if many of the films they made were unworthy of them. Craig has all the potential in the world to make the part his own though. He has certainly had a great start.

Tails142

Timothy Dalton sucked I think we can all agree? Moore my favourite

MooseJam

Moore was pretty cool as bond all right

Fat Al

Anyone know what Quantum of Solace is?

aidan_walsh

Fat Al wrote: »

Anyone know what Quantum of Solace is?

The new Bond movie, the title being from a Flemming short story.

Fat Al

Yea but what does the words actually mean. And how do they relate to the film

Royale with Cheese

I'd go with Connery, then Brosnan. Moore last. The rest I'm not sure about, George Lazenby was actually very good, just gets a lot of slagging cos he was only in one film and he acted the prick after it.

faceman

I think moore was great. Far more charismatic than connery. Connery was over-rated and still is.

humanji

Fat Al wrote: »

Yea but what does the words actually mean. And how do they relate to the film

It means a small amount of peace. It's the name of a Bond short story that isn't really about espionage. Bond goes for a meal where he is really bored. When it's over, his host tells him about a tragic love story and at the end reveals that the woman in the story was one of the guests at the party. It makes Bond wonder about life outside the world of espionage being just as interesting and dramatic.

The title, I think, refers to it being a brief time of peace for Bond, between missions, where he doesn't have to worry about anything. But he realises that where his missions always end, peoples lives in the real world never do (well, until they die, I suppose).

No idea as to how it will relate to the film. It's a safe bet they just took the title.

Slutmonkey57b

Babybing wrote: »

His films where a disgrace and a spit in the eye to anyone who holds the bond character dear.

Thats not what Bond is about at all and Im sure fleming turned in his grave. Almost single handedly killed the franchise. :mad:

Fleming was a useless hack of a writer who was roundly (and deservedly) derided by his contemporaries, and if you read the books, you'll find that Bond as a character is brainless, obvious, trusting, and about as effective as a kipper in the spying stakes. FFS the character is a member of a gentleman's club, drives a Bentley, has servants, and has all manner of stupid affectations (gunpowder in his vodka for example). The character is a joke, and Moore knew that perfectly well. As he said about the bond experience:
It's a bit stupid trying to be romantic in a love scene when you've got a gantry full of sparks shouting "Go on Rog, give 'er one!"

MisterAnarchy

Tails142 wrote: »

Timothy Dalton sucked I think we can all agree?

Thats where you are wrong.
Dalton was an excellent Bond and is actually highly regarded by many critics.
He was Cubby Brocollis first choice before Moore to play Bond but Dalton himself thought he was too young for the role.
Dalton was a good Bond no matter what is said – all he did was take it back to the root rather than playing it camp like Moore, he gave a harder edge to the role that was missing.
People forget how dark Licence to Kill is.It's Bond at his most intense and at the end of his emotional rope
It was a big change in direction for the franchise.
Dalton also would have made at least one more film but for the legal case surrounding MGM that dragged on for ages.
Now with Daniel Craig as a more serious Bond, more and more people are rightfully looking back at Dalton and going "hmmm.... actually this guy was great and ahead of his time."

Running Bing

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

Fleming was a useless hack of a writer who was roundly (and deservedly) derided by his contemporaries, and if you read the books, you'll find that Bond as a character is brainless, obvious, trusting, and about as effective as a kipper in the spying stakes.

Completely missing the point. He wrote Pulp novels. He wasnt trying to write wuthering heights. Your first schoolboy error. Bond is not a spy, hes a counter agent for the british government. Effectively an assassin.

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

FFS the character is a member of a gentleman's club, drives a Bentley, has servants, and has all manner of stupid affectations (gunpowder in his vodka for example).

Bond was not a member of a gentlemans club. His boss, M, was a member of blades and took bond there.



His Bentley is a thirty year old classic car. Its painted gunmetal gray and completely debadged. Bond loved fast cars, proper racing cars and the Bentley with the amherst villiers supercharger was the most realistic fast car a man on bonds salary could afford.


He doesnt have servants he has a housekeeper. Again on Bonds salary and being a bachelor thats not unusual. Bond enjoyed his luxuries and enjoyed spending his money.


Bond put pepper in his Vodka. Vodka back then was predominantly made from potatoes rather than made with grain as it is today. The vodka was of low quality and Bond put the pepper in it to make it more palatable. Its not a stupid affection.




I wont suggest you read more Bond novels because you clearly dont like them. Thats fine, no problem. But dont spout out of your arse stuff that is completely wrong.

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

The character is a joke, and Moore knew that perfectly well. As he said about the bond experience:
It's a bit stupid trying to be romantic in a love scene when you've got a gantry full of sparks shouting "Go on Rog, give 'er one!"

To you its a joke. To Ian fleming, Cubby Brocolli, Harry Saltzman, me and thousands of bond fans the character is not a joke.



Moore turned it into a joke, a substandard one at that, and almost destroyed one of the most sucessful franchises in history.

Declan A Walsh

I have no idea what Ian Fleming intended, nor do I care quite frankly. I just enjoy the James Bond films. For me, Sean Connery was (and still is) the undisputed best 007. In my opinion, and this is controversial, the second best was Roger Moore. He brought a humourous element to his portrayal and starred in my all-time favourite Bond film so far - Live and Let Die. Each actor gave a different angle to Bond. I did not like George Lazenby's portrayal. His emotional outburst at the end of "On her Majesty's Secret Service" was the final straw for me. No Bond is allowed be a emotional wreck in my books.

So each to their own as they say. Can't wait to see the new one - Daniel Craig was very good in his first outing.

Slutmonkey57b

Babybing wrote: »

Completely missing the point. He wrote Pulp novels. He wasnt trying to write wuthering heights. Your first schoolboy error. Bond is not a spy, hes a counter agent for the british government. Effectively an assassin.

An assassin, saboteur and counter-agent, eh? Well at least the enemy never saw him coming, eh? Anonymous and quiet, in and out like a whisper.
Or bumbling about like an epileptic elephant.

His Bentley is a thirty year old classic car. Its painted gunmetal gray and completely debadged. Bond loved fast cars, proper racing cars and the Bentley with the amherst villiers supercharger was the most realistic fast car a man on bonds salary could afford.

He doesnt have servants he has a housekeeper. Again on Bonds salary and being a bachelor thats not unusual. Bond enjoyed his luxuries and enjoyed spending his money.

Driving a unique classic car eh? That'll keep you under the radar. Nobody will know about the ex-military civil servant with no visible job description who has the garaged custom bentley bombing around London. Also please describe how a housekeeper is not a servant.

Bond put pepper in his Vodka. Vodka back then was predominantly made from potatoes rather than made with grain as it is today. The vodka was of low quality and Bond put the pepper in it to make it more palatable. Its not a stupid affection.

The book states otherwise - he picked up the habit drinking cheap tainted vodka where the pepper would bring the oil to the bottom of the glass, and continues with it even when not necessary. I'll grant you the gunpowder, but it's still a stupid affectation.

And ordering your own custom drinks everywhere you go is great practice for the well-trained assassin who's in enemy territory on a secret mission. He must have picked that up on one of his SAS training courses.

To you its a joke. To Ian fleming, Cubby Brocolli, Harry Saltzman, me and thousands of bond fans the character is not a joke.

Moore turned it into a joke, a substandard one at that, and almost destroyed one of the most sucessful franchises in history.

That's my point. Moore did not turn the character into a joke. The character already was a joke. Anyone who can watch one of the Connery films with a straight face has evidently had a sense of humour bypass.

Frankmagnet

Damn, all this talk about bond has me wanting to watch the films but i have no HDMI cable for the Ps3 I like all the bonds, there is no point in comparing them because each have to be judged on their own merits. OHMSS gets a bad rap in my opinion and is one of my personal favs. The early Moore films are excellent. I just think he stayed one or two films too long

Spyral

Timothy Dalton sucked I think we can all agree? Moore my favourite

He's my fav.. darker.. like criag is now... real nasy bond..

walt0r

Dalton was class as bond. He WAS way ahead of his time, way ahead of that pussy Moore.

TheDoc

my favourite was dalton, cause he just has a serious vibe about him.

his films where less funny and jokey. As i get older and look back on bond films, roger moore ones i cant stand......

i think the new one is on the right track. at the end of the day he is a spy, a hitman, a killer..he should be dark and emotionless.

the jokes and crap is annoying now looking back...

james bond lost his way for a long time and was very much a joke

im a big fan and can admit it, moores take on the role was very humourous..

Blackthorn1011

Perhaps a favourite Bond poll wouldn't be a bad idea.

Lawless_Samurai

Started a poll so get voting....


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055249303

plastic membrane

Tails142 wrote: »

Timothy Dalton sucked I think we can all agree?

No. I think i could make a valid argument for The Living Daylights as the best Bond movie (plot was more complex than a regualr Bond movie, stunts were great (that mid-air fight at the end is jaw dropping) and Maryam D'abo (HUBBA HUBBA) is just gorgeous) and Dalton takes to the role like a pissed off Sean Connery.

Brosnan was great for the first two, but the other two are terrible movies. OHMSS is a very very strange film, if it had been Connery instead of Lazenby, it would have been the best Bond movie by far. Moore had his moments (especially in The Spy Who Loved Me), but he got too old (i can practically smell wee off him in A View To a Kill).

Craig (and Casino Royale) is great. Just great. But all Bonds can only be judged in retrospect.

Pherekydes

I posted this in the 'Poll' thread. I didn't see this discussion.

I liked the darker aspects that Dalton brought to the role. Craig has shown some of this, so he fares well, in my opinion. Connery started out great, but gradually went downhill, as did the franchise, which reached a nadir with Moore's series of films, many of which were little above farce. Brosnan did reasonably well, but the scriptwriting let him down somewhat.

Interestingly, the first film I saw was OHMSS, and for years I thought Lazenby was the original Bond. It is still my favourite film. It has a decent storyline and the minimum of silly effects (flying car, anyone?), and, very importantly, the classiest Bond lady by far.

To the guy who said Connery looked too old in the role: you do realise Moore is older than Connery. Moore was already 45 when he started out in the role, while Connery was only 41 doing Diamonds are Forever.

Blackthorn1011

plastic membrane wrote: »

No. I think i could make a valid argument for The Living Daylights as the best Bond movie (plot was more complex than a regualr Bond movie, stunts were great (that mid-air fight at the end is jaw dropping) and Maryam D'abo (HUBBA HUBBA) is just gorgeous) and Dalton takes to the role like a pissed off Sean Connery.

Dont forget the 1987 V8 Vantage....