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If This Is True, We're Heading For Trouble

  • 16-02-2008 1:35am
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11


    I found this message on another Board, and thought the whole idea was interesting and convincing. This was the message I came across:


    WARNING!
    The information in the linked article is of the sort that could cause one to be overwhelmed by fear. I do not want to cause that and I feel like I need to apologize for even posting this, but it needs to be looked at. As you read, the scope of the thing will slowly hit you.

    THE GREAT ABYSS
    THE LORD'S GREAT LAKE OF FIRE
    AN ENTIRE CONTINENT BURNING
    THE VERY CONCEPT OF HELL

    IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE U.S GOVERNMENT HAS HAD ITS MILITARY, ITS BEST EXPERTS, SCIENTISTS FROM AMERICA'S BEST UNIVERSITIES, AS WELL AS EXPERTS FROM THE CHEVRON OIL COMPANY, EXAMINE WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ, AND NOT ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN ABLE TO DISPROVE ANY PART OF IT !! THEY KNOW IT'S TRUE, BUT THERE'S NO SOLUTION, SO THEY DON'T DARE TELL YOU !!

    The Two articles are Centralia and The Great Abyss.


    AnaA


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Global warming?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,534 ✭✭✭Soul Winner


    AnaA wrote: »
    I found this message on another Board, and thought the whole idea was interesting and convincing. This was the message I came across:


    WARNING!
    The information in the linked article is of the sort that could cause one to be overwhelmed by fear. I do not want to cause that and I feel like I need to apologize for even posting this, but it needs to be looked at. As you read, the scope of the thing will slowly hit you.

    THE GREAT ABYSS
    THE LORD'S GREAT LAKE OF FIRE
    AN ENTIRE CONTINENT BURNING
    THE VERY CONCEPT OF HELL

    IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE U.S GOVERNMENT HAS HAD ITS MILITARY, ITS BEST EXPERTS, SCIENTISTS FROM AMERICA'S BEST UNIVERSITIES, AS WELL AS EXPERTS FROM THE CHEVRON OIL COMPANY, EXAMINE WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ, AND NOT ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN ABLE TO DISPROVE ANY PART OF IT !! THEY KNOW IT'S TRUE, BUT THERE'S NO SOLUTION, SO THEY DON'T DARE TELL YOU !!

    The Two articles are Centralia and The Great Abyss.

    http://www.theamericannightmare.org/99_centralia_A-D.html


    AnaA

    Too much to sift through. Please copy and paste relevant points thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,845 ✭✭✭2Scoops


    Too much to sift through. Please copy and paste relevant points thanks.

    To paraphrase:
    The United States of America sits atop a massive, uncontrollable fire that has the potential to consume the entire country. If that were to happen, the situation closely mirrors a place that God is prophecized to destroy in the Bible.

    More likely, it's the work of the Guidestone people, finally re-emerging to eradicate 90% of the world's population.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭Asiaprod


    AnaA wrote: »
    I found this message on another Board, and thought the whole idea was interesting and convincing. This was the message I came across
    AnaA
    Bad first post.
    I hope your next post contains something you would like to say.
    I have removed the URL.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭hairyheretic


    Kinda reminds me of spam / virus mails I get every so often.

    BIG THREAT WRITTEN ALL IN CAPS

    Then various officious sounding organisations to lend credibility to whatever they're trying to say.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭eoin5


    Too much fire and not enough brimstone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,980 ✭✭✭wolfsbane


    Kinda reminds me of spam / virus mails I get every so often.

    BIG THREAT WRITTEN ALL IN CAPS

    Then various officious sounding organisations to lend credibility to whatever they're trying to say.
    Exactly. Not to impune the motives of the poster, who may be open to 'old wives tales' but sincere nevertheless.

    I heard something like it before - drillers hearing the cries of the damned from their deepest shaft. Pity the gullible folks don't check the Bible first, where they will find Hades is presently occupied by bodiless souls, with no access to the physical world. That would include the sound waves used in speech.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    It's not true, but we're still headed for trouble anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 AnaA


    Asiaprod wrote: »
    Bad first post.
    I hope your next post contains something you would like to say.
    I have removed the URL.

    Well, I can hardly discuss it if you removed the link.

    If you don't thing the energy companies are causing a huge underground mess, then why the explosion yesterday at an oil refinery in Texas?

    AnaA


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 AnaA


    wolfsbane wrote: »
    Exactly. Not to impune the motives of the poster, who may be open to 'old wives tales' but sincere nevertheless.

    I heard something like it before - drillers hearing the cries of the damned from their deepest shaft. Pity the gullible folks don't check the Bible first, where they will find Hades is presently occupied by bodiless souls, with no access to the physical world. That would include the sound waves used in speech.

    That's ridiculous. Judgment Day hasn't occurred yet.
    AnaA


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 AnaA


    The Two articles are Centralia and The Great Abyss.

    http://www.theamericannightmare.org/...ralia_A-D.html

    Too much to sift through. Please copy and paste relevant points thanks.

    here's the link, above.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    AnaA wrote: »
    Well, I can hardly discuss it if you removed the link.

    If you don't thing the energy companies are causing a huge underground mess, then why the explosion yesterday at an oil refinery in Texas?

    AnaA

    It only happened yesterday. They're still investigating.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭Evolute


    I gotta say that mods you may have removed the link from the original post but not from the quote on this page. Also I would like to say that alot of information on that website is what seems like alot of their own interperatation of the old testament and is looking at disasters that some of the companies have in advertently made themselves.
    Seems like a very god fearing scaremonger to be honest

    Ps: This is not directed at the OP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,523 ✭✭✭✭Nerin


    Seems like a very god fearing scaremonger to be honest
    true.
    how many more freakin times is it gonna be the end of the world?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭Evolute


    nerin wrote: »
    true.
    how many more freakin times is it gonna be the end of the world?

    According to the website not the end of the world just the end of the United States so its a little bit of a new one but probably a load of babble and B.S:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,523 ✭✭✭✭Nerin


    the US is always doomed, just look at all those action movies. we all know steven seagal or the like is gonna save them at the last minute.

    seriously though,alot of traditions and religions have end time warnings and stuff.
    its logical to think humans are going to destroy life as we know it jim.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Before the tribulation, the Bible predicts a global totalitarian cashless society. We are already heading straight into it. One would want to be blind not to notice the amount of CCTV cams popping up throughout the city and country, (and every other city in the world), in public transport, atms, shopping malls, public parks, night club floors, dumps, cross roads etc. Along with RFID chipped transit cards, passports and chipped licences, mobile phone records etc you will not be able to budge anywhere without being tracked........ This is what I call real trouble. http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=7881310


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,523 ✭✭✭✭Nerin


    CCTV cams popping up throughout the city and country, (and every other city in the world), in public transport, atms, shopping malls, public parks, night club floors, dumps, cross roads etc.
    em....yes.
    but isnt that there to record the evil thats happening already?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    nerin wrote: »
    em....yes.
    but isnt that there to record the evil thats happening already?
    In theory yes but in reality :eek::eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,523 ✭✭✭✭Nerin


    but in reality
    proof???
    anything concrete? at all?
    and sci fi/conspiracy theories don't count.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    nerin wrote: »
    proof???
    anything concrete? at all?
    and sci fi/conspiracy theories don't count.
    Look at the way the London Metropllitan police tracked down Jean Charles de Menezes movements through CCTV footage and oyster card records prior to their final move on him which cost him his life. They then tried to cover it up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Charles_de_MenezesThis is an example of this system at its worst. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4800490.stm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,523 ✭✭✭✭Nerin


    through CCTV footage and oyster card records
    thats a good point,because i'd have to be mad to argue with you over it.

    neh, ok, yes,that whole incident was bad,but what if he had have been a terrorist and they didnt stop him. of course thats no excuse for his death,but his death is not what you are arguing about, what your doing is scare mongering.
    now im a fan of believing the people in charge are up to no good, but seriously, taking it a little overboard.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Before the tribulation, the Bible predicts a global totalitarian cashless society.

    Except it doesn't actually predict any of that. That is simply one interpretation that to be honest is stretching it quite a bit to make it fit the use of modern technology, when in fact the passages have far more to do with the ancient systems of commerce than any modern one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,523 ✭✭✭✭Nerin


    wait what???theres nothing in the bible about futuristic technology??? awww


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    nerin wrote: »
    thats a good point,because i'd have to be mad to argue with you over it.

    neh, ok, yes,that whole incident was bad,but what if he had have been a terrorist and they didnt stop him. of course thats no excuse for his death,but his death is not what you are arguing about, what your doing is scare mongering.
    now im a fan of believing the people in charge are up to no good, but seriously, taking it a little overboard.
    I trust no one. Right down through history we had corrupt dictatorships who started off as the good guys helping out in the interest of the people but turned out to be the bad apples :eek:.

    Caesar, Nero, Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin would all have giver their right arms for such an integrated surveillance and tracking system we have to day. Think how easy it would be able to track down anyone who would dare speak out against it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,523 ✭✭✭✭Nerin


    i regularly make fun of world leaders. im still here.
    so are you,and your talking about their top secret plan to use nightclub security cameras to get us!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Wicknight wrote: »
    Except it doesn't actually predict any of that. That is simply one interpretation that to be honest is stretching it quite a bit to make it fit the use of modern technology, when in fact the passages have far more to do with the ancient systems of commerce than any modern one.
    That is if you are reading from any of the Modern perverted Bibles which states that a mark is on the hand is required for a commercial transaction. A mark on the hand or forehead could suggest anything from a blob of paint or a scar etched into the skin with a knife, such a system could have been easily been feasible back then and would have been wide opened to abuse and no way could have been effectively enforced.

    However the ancient texts state that the mark is in the hand or in the forehead suggesting something far more advanced and sophisticated such as an inserted RFID chip. Even the Catholic Douhay Rheims version correctly states that one must have a character in their right hand or forehead in order to make a commercial transaction. http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/30927/eVerseID/30927) How could this be feasible back at the time of Nero? no track and trace, biometrics, portal scanners, CCTV etc, I don’t think they even had hypodermic needles back then :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Why did you mention ancient texts and then give a link to the King James Bible? Isn't that a relatively recent version?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    That is if you are reading from any of the Modern perverted Bibles which states that a mark is on the hand is required for a commercial transaction.

    These would be the "modern perverted" Bibles that went back to the original text would it ...
    However the ancient texts state that the mark is in the hand or in the forehead suggesting something far more advanced and sophisticated such as an inserted RFID chip.
    No, the King James Bible says "in the hand", the ancient texts say "on the hand", which is why modern Bibles that went back to the ancient texts also say that.

    Of course this has still got nothing to do with "cash-less" society. There is no part of the Bible that says cash is not used.

    It most likely has to do with authorized trading, which would have been common concept in John's time. The purpose, in ancient times, of a mark or symbol to allow trading was to limit the buying or selling of goods to State approved people, for example to stop slaves buying good without permission from their masters. Given the repressive nature of that system it is not surprising that early Christians would assume that Satan, if he arrived on Earth, would implement a similar system for everyone.

    So forget cash-less society. That isn't mentioned and is in fact missing the whole point of the passage! Bar codes don't limit authorized trading, anyone can develop a bar code. Same with chip and pin systems. Anyone can apply for a chip and pin system.

    When the government actually starts limiting who can legally purchase items, get back to me :rolleyes:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    humanji wrote: »
    Why did you mention ancient texts and then give a link to the King James Bible? Isn't that a relatively recent version?
    The King James 1611 is possibly the closest version to the "Textus Receptus" i.e. the original Greek. It is modern compared to the approximately 40 corrupt Bibles that have sprung up in the last centuary based on the distorted Alexandrian texts, Satan is working overtime perverting the word of God and is using the likes of Billy Graham to promote these modern Bibles.

    You must also remember that the Church of Rome hid the truth for centuries by forbidding the translating the Bibles into any native tongue. It was kept in from Latin until the reformation until Martin Luther let the cat out of the bag. It was only since the 16th century with the invention of the Guttenbourg press that it made it possible for the scriptures to be published in quantity, prior to this only the Vatican and the very privilaged would of had access to them also the majority of the populations would have been illiterate and would have no choice. Prior to the reformation dealing in Bibles other than through the Catholic Church would have been a more serious offense than dealing in smack or coke to-day because one could have been burned at the stake if caught.. :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    The King James 1611 is possibly the closest version to the "Textus Receptus" i.e. the original Greek.
    The "Textus Receptus" was published in 16th century, based on a small selection of Greek manuscripts from 12th Century or later that followed the Byzantine text-type, and the Textus Receptus translation differed from even those, so even defenders of the Byzantine text type don't regard the Textus Receptus very highly. It was certainly not the original Greek.

    Heck he didn't even have a full Greek copy of the book of revelations, translating it from Latin back into Greek.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,980 ✭✭✭wolfsbane


    AnaA wrote: »
    That's ridiculous. Judgment Day hasn't occurred yet.
    AnaA
    Yes, that story is ridiculous. No contact with the damned is possible.

    But there are even now souls in Hades. It is a sort of remand prison, where the guilty are held pending sentence on Judgement Day:

    Luke 16:19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
    24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
    27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,980 ✭✭✭wolfsbane


    Wicknight wrote: »
    The "Textus Receptus" was published in 16th century, based on a small selection of Greek manuscripts from 12th Century or later that followed the Byzantine text-type, and the Textus Receptus translation differed from even those, so even defenders of the Byzantine text type don't regard the Textus Receptus very highly. It was certainly not the original Greek.

    Heck he didn't even have a full Greek copy of the book of revelations, translating it from Latin back into Greek.
    Wickie is basically correct.

    An argument can be made for a Majority Text vs the eclectic text used by most modern translations, but the Textus Receptus differs from it too. To me, the TR was the eclectic text of its day, a better source than the Latin, but inferior to those formed from the great number of texts subsequently discovered.

    The danger for modern versions is that the choice of text is usually based on its early date, regardless of numerical witness. The question one must ask is why such an unrepresentative text survived - because it was a reject and thus unused, or did we just strike it lucky and find an authentic earlier copy?

    Most recent finds tend to support the authenticity of the majority.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    wolfsbane wrote: »
    The TR was the eclectic text of its day.
    And still is :)

    Modern translations are not just simply different versions of the King James Bible written in contemporary language. These perversions are different Bibles entirely. Their foundation is not the God-preserved Textus Receptus of the New Testament. Instead, they are based on contaminated manuscripts which had been rejected by the early church fathers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,980 ✭✭✭wolfsbane


    And still is :)

    Modern translations are not just simply different versions of the King James Bible written in contemporary language. These perversions are different Bibles entirely. Their foundation is not the God-preserved Textus Receptus of the New Testament. Instead, they are based on contaminated manuscripts which had been rejected by the early church fathers.
    Indeed modern versions based on a very few old texts can be criticised as you say. But that does not mean the TR is the best text group. Even the AV-only Free Presbyterians defend it on the basis that it is closer to the Majority Text than the modern eclectic text.

    Remember, we defend the infallibility and inerrancy of the originals, not the copies. God has preserved His word in the consensus of texts we have, so we always have enough to know all that He wants us to know. There is no one copy of the whole Bible that can be claimed as perfect.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭Húrin


    That website's assertions rest on the assumption that America is the tribe of Ephraim on the west side of the atlantic.


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