Snobbery towards Hibernia Grads.

BoozyBabe

I've posted this on another site too, but just wondering what the reaction would be to it here.

(Sorry if you're a visitor to both sites!!)

Ok, I was extremely angry on Tue night as a result of this.

Mf bf's sis works as an SNA & is thinking of moving into teaching.
You may or may not know that I plan on studying in Hibernia next Year.

So, basically what transpired was that the two of them were in their house having a conversation, I was at my house (thankfully) & my bf was texting me.

The conversation of her becoming a teacher came up.
She said "Hibernia's crap" & lots of stuff along those lines. I was livid because she has no idea what Hibernia is, & is spreading rubbish like that around. She's saying it because her principal told her this was the case. The principal has never allowed anyone with a Hibernia qual in through the doors or her school, so how the hell would she know how good the Hibernia grads were. Oh, I was SO angry.

Anyway, it turns out that the school in question hired a new teacher recently. They received lots of applications, but if they saw Hibernia written anywhere on the App, it automatically got thrown into the bin. They were more than qualified for the job, but it didn't matter. The principal didn't like the institute from which the candidate was awarded & therefore dumped their application.

Is that even legal? (I mean, I know if pushed, they could swing it to say the candidate wasn't suitable for other reasons, but as it stands, if someone is rejected for being trained in Hibernia only, is that allowed?)

Now, before I make this comment, please know that I feel once you're a fully qualified teacher, one qualificatin is as good as the other, so I mean nothing negative about this comment, but I'm wondering what the mindset of this principal is:-

17 year old comes out of school, not knowing what they want to do, but say sure what the heck, I'll stick teaching down. Get into one of the main 4 centres for this & have no more interest in teaching, it's just they'd no interest in anything else either.
In the principals eyes, they're more than suitable for the job.

Someone with a love for teaching goes to one of the 4 main centres. They're also suitable.

Someone else with a love for teaching but who didn't have the Irish needed goes to the UK. There they get taught a system that is different from ours. Irish has no part to play in their studies, nor has religion. They are completely suitable for the job in the principals eyes. (Like I said, I know this person will get all the necessary quals when they return to Ireland, so therefore I feel their qualification is equal to any of the Irish quals, but I'm just trying to make a point here)

Someone else with a love for teaching can't afford to go to the UK. Doesn't have the Irish, so they study after work every eve by themself, sit the exam & have put such an effort in that they pass. The go for an interview with Hibernia who see the effort that person is willing to make. They get accepted. Irish, religion & the proper Irish Education system is what this person is taught, just as in the 4 main colleges. The person gets maximum marks in every assignment they do. They get long term subbing positions while doing the course as well as their TP's. Come out with top awards. This person in the principals eyes is not at all suitable for the job & their application is thrown in the bin.

Can any of you tell me why this is the case?


DISCLAIMER: Please no one take offence of what has been posted above. If only wrote this to make a point. I honestly do believe that a person who studied in the UK & then got their SCG are every bit as good as some of those who may have done the whole Undergrad course in any of the big 4.

This just infuriated me when I heard it, so all opinions welcome.

spurious

Irish begrudgery.

There are some people who think a degree from one university is worth 'more' than another. There are some who think one method of getting to college (CAO direct rather than PLC first) is 'better' than another.

These are little people with little lives. The 'throwing in the bin' comment is just about their power limit. It's disgraceful of course, but would you want to work for someone like that?

They probably think there is such a a thing as one school (or type of school) being better than another, when anyone remotely connected with education will tell you it's the home that makes the difference.

If you get on the bus, all they want is your fare, whether your fare is in cents, tens, fives or twenties, they don't care, just that you have the required fare. That is the real world.

Good luck to all Hibernia (and other) graduates, the more people who WANT to be in teaching the better.

/rant

Enright

i have been involved in the hiring of primary teachers for a new expanding school over the last few years, i have had no hang ups hiring hibernia graduates, and having seen them in action, their teaching abilities are equally as good as graduates from a local teacher training college.

Their ICT skills are better. Their levels of oral irish might not be as good, but that might be more down to the indivudal canditates rather that their their training.

Best of luck, just remember that there will always be people with negative attitudes, dont let them put you down. Have belief in yourself

corcaighcailin9

I've met quite a few principals and teachers who get seriosly aggrevied with Hibernia students because of certain aspects of TP i.e. the amount of notice the inspector gives before a visit (as much as a week I've heard), the way the student makes a huge effort with amazing resources for that supervised lesson only (quite a common complaint, have seen this myself) and the way they don't stay for the full day once the three lessons are taught. Now that's prob not the norm with every Hibernia student but there you go. There will probably always be principals who believe a B.Ed or Post Grad from one of the training colleges (Pats, MaryI, Froebel and Marino) is the only acceptable qualification. Before you take offence, it's not what I think personally, just going on what I hear friends / colleagues say.

gogsy

corcaighcailin9 wrote: »

I've met quite a few principals and teachers who get seriosly aggrevied with Hibernia students because of certain aspects of TP i.e. the amount of notice the inspector gives before a visit (as much as a week I've heard), the way the student makes a huge effort with amazing resources for that supervised lesson only (quite a common complaint, have seen this myself) and the way they don't stay for the full day once the three lessons are taught. Now that's prob not the norm with every Hibernia student but there you go. There will probably always be principals who believe a B.Ed or Post Grad from one of the training colleges (Pats, MaryI, Froebel and Marino) is the only acceptable qualification. Before you take offence, it's not what I think personally, just going on what I hear friends / colleagues say.

Just a coupe of things-
first of all, we only know when one visit is to take place out of the possible 3 in any tp...so that ain't an entirely true statement
secondly, we have to stay in for the full days- we need to observe and it is a college requirement
Now- your facts are not quite accurate because we only teach 3 lessons on tp1, 4 at tp2 and full days for tp3....we are also encouraged to teach the lessons on tp 1&2 at different intervals during the day.

Now courses like Hibernia get a bad name when people don't know the full facts and come out with statements like the above......so even if you don't hold these negative personal views, you don't have the right facts and I think you should just be aware of them.

corcaighcailin9

Ok