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Known to the Gardai

  • 13-02-2008 3:06pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭


    There is a small portion of westbound Navan Road that is a 24 hour cycle track/lane with a solid white line on the edge. I often encounter a car (different each time) parked there.

    On Tuesday evening, while waiting at the lights at the Baggot Road junction, I saw a small car parked on the cycle lane. I saw a Garda car on Baggot Road and wondered if it would turn left so I could flag it down.

    I stopped behind the car, took a photo and then made my usual call to Cabra Garda station to report the situation. I then saw the squad car and flagged him down and mentioned the 24 hour status of the cycle lane and asked if he could do something.
    The Garda said he was heading to to a robbery. He asked me my name and said he recognised it from my frequent calls to the station :p
    The car owner came out and the Garda asked her to move it as it was causing an inconvenience to me.
    I told her that she could park in the driveway. She said she was "just" dropping her mother back from the hospice and that parking on the cycle lane was "easier". "Not for me," I replied.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,391 ✭✭✭markpb


    Was the Garda there when she said that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,278 ✭✭✭kenmc


    Hmmm isn't that what they say whenever a druggie gets shot - "The victim was known to the Gardaí". Sounds like a death-curse to me. Thankfully I don't know any.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,386 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    kenmc wrote: »
    Hmmm isn't that what they say whenever a druggie gets shot - "The victim was known to the Gardaí". Sounds like a death-curse to me. Thankfully I don't know any.
    :) Yep! it is the PC way of the news man saying the dirty scumbag deserved to be shot, and it was scum shooting scum, so sleep easy.

    Anybody illegally parked always seems to be doing some good deed for an invalid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    I hope she had her hazards on. Its like diplomatic immunity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,995 ✭✭✭✭blorg


    You should try the cycle lane in Ranelagh during it's hours of "operation" (07-10 and 15-19.) Completely impassable.

    The clampers have started clamping on occasion, but it's not exactly a clear thing to any of the people parking there, who express bewilderment. You would think posting "NO PARKING 15-19h" on the parking meter would be an idea.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    blorg wrote: »
    You should try the cycle lane in Ranelagh during it's hours of "operation" (07-10 and 15-19.) Completely impassable.

    The clampers have started clamping on occasion, but it's not exactly a clear thing to any of the people parking there, who express bewilderment. You would think posting "NO PARKING 15-19h" on the parking meter would be an idea.

    But I wasnt there between 15 and 19 officer... I was there at 5pm!

    *hits with spanner*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭Gavin


    blorg wrote: »
    You should try the cycle lane in Ranelagh during it's hours of "operation" (07-10 and 15-19.) Completely impassable.

    The clampers have started clamping on occasion, but it's not exactly a clear thing to any of the people parking there, who express bewilderment. You would think posting "NO PARKING 15-19h" on the parking meter would be an idea.

    I've seen coppers go along there, rousting people. It's usually empty in the mornings & it's not too bad in the evenings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,386 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    I was asking before in the legal forum about letting air out of tires, no real response about it. I just wonder if somebody's car was vandalised, or just air let out, would they report it? and what would the cops do?

    They will obviously ask where it was parked? then do they get fined the €80, get points or whatever, and would the cops give a damn, or would just be concerned with reprimanding the idiot who came in admitting their own crime?

    You could argue you are trying to deter them from leaving the scene of the crime, trying to make a citizens arrest or something.

    I would still love to do my plan, get a rake of old scrap bikes and lock them to some kunts bmw who is parked on a cycletrack.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭daymobrew


    markpb wrote: »
    Was the Garda there when she said that?
    No, he was running back to his car at that point.
    rubadub wrote: »
    I was asking before in the legal forum about letting air out of tires, no real response about it. I just wonder if somebody's car was vandalised, or just air let out, would they report it? and what would the cops do?
    I think that it is simply vandalism (though the action has crossed my mind).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 882 ✭✭✭cunnins4


    Gardaí and the ole bike lanes are great - a while ago I saw a Garda jeep parked in the bike lane outside the botanic gardens, garda inside on his mobile and across the road, low and behold, his buddy was getting a haircut!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 757 ✭✭✭milod


    Gardai are like robots - they're directed what to do by a sergeant or superintendent at the station. You shouldn't expect any initiative or consideration from them, as they are clearly involved in much more important duties (e.g. causing traffic jams while they look at tax discs).

    If you have a complaint, it's best to write or call to your local TD/City Councillor and kick up a fuss, or try to get to see a superintendent. The local gardai won't prioritise an issue until they're told to...

    I recently had an argument with a garda because I thumped the side of a van. The reason I did was that the van veered into the cycle lane right beside me to get round a car turning right. He clearly didn't look, or didn't care, so I alerted him to my presence by banging the side of the van. The Van shot off leaving me half off the bike with one leg on the pavement when the intelligent garda approached me and said "you should be more careful, and there's no need to be hitting cars..."

    I'm still not sure how I kept my cool on that one...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,278 ✭✭✭kenmc


    milod wrote: »
    Gardai are like robots - they're directed what to do by a sergeant or superintendent at the station. You shouldn't expect any initiative or consideration from them, as they are clearly involved in much more important duties (e.g. causing traffic jams while they look at tax discs).

    If you have a complaint, it's best to write or call to your local TD/City Councillor and kick up a fuss, or try to get to see a superintendent. The local gardai won't prioritise an issue until they're told to...

    I recently had an argument with a garda because I thumped the side of a van. The reason I did was that the van veered into the cycle lane right beside me to get round a car turning right. He clearly didn't look, or didn't care, so I alerted him to my presence by banging the side of the van. The Van shot off leaving me half off the bike with one leg on the pavement when the intelligent garda approached me and said "you should be more careful, and there's no need to be hitting cars..."

    I'm still not sure how I kept my cool on that one...

    Thats one reason I like having bar-ends on my bike, they would allow me to lean into a car cutting me up like that without my hands getting squished (I usually ride inside the barends). I've not had to use them yet thankfully, and hopefully I never will, but I feel safe in the knowledge that it's a backup - rather than having to take one hand off the bars to alert my presence I can concentrate on keeping the bike upright and getting it stopped. And of course if *s/he* hits *my* barends then it can't be classed as vandalism on my part either.... whereas a u-lock through the window :( .....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,995 ✭✭✭✭blorg


    Verb wrote: »
    I've seen coppers go along there, rousting people. It's usually empty in the mornings & it's not too bad in the evenings.
    It's better in the mornings all right but I don't think I have _ever_ had a free run in the evenings (talking about the left side headed towards town here, where the parking is.)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,038 ✭✭✭penexpers


    blorg wrote: »
    You should try the cycle lane in Ranelagh during it's hours of "operation" (07-10 and 15-19.) Completely impassable.

    The clampers have started clamping on occasion, but it's not exactly a clear thing to any of the people parking there, who express bewilderment. You would think posting "NO PARKING 15-19h" on the parking meter would be an idea.

    Right beside the sign that indicates the hours of pay parking, there's a sign that indicates the hours of operation of the clearway. But it's still pretty bad, I think in approx. 18 months of cycling that road, I've had a clear run at it maybe once or twice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,644 ✭✭✭SerialComplaint


    cunnins4 wrote: »
    Gardaí and the ole bike lanes are great - a while ago I saw a Garda jeep parked in the bike lane outside the botanic gardens, garda inside on his mobile and across the road, low and behold, his buddy was getting a haircut!

    Did you have a mobile phone camera with you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,386 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    daymobrew wrote: »
    I think that it is simply vandalism (though the action has crossed my mind).
    I am not so sure if you just deflate the tyre and cause no damage. Vandalism if it is damaged for sure, I am just wondering if most gardai would give them any time. e.g. if a burglar came in my home and I battered him, and he tried to prosecute me for GBH I could imagine the gardai saying "so he fell over", ;);) "what a clusmy fellow"

    But unfortunately I think most gardai do not give a damn, and most are ignorant of the law.

    Apparently you can get a tool to deflate a tyre in 2 seconds. Have a read of this
    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1010-04.htm
    SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them
    A clandestine group lets air out of tires as a form of protest. The vehicles' owners are not amused.
    by Sebastian Rotella


    PARIS - If the French marauders known as The Deflated waged their brand of urban subversion in Southern California, the mecca of the sport utility vehicle, by now they would probably have been jailed, beaten, shot or at least sued.

    But five weeks after the clandestine crew of environmentalists launched a low-intensity war on SUVs in Paris, there are no casualties to report. Except, of course, for dozens of deflated gas-guzzling vehicles, said Sous-Adjudant Marrant (Sub-Warrant Officer Joker), the mysterious, masked leader of Les Dégonflés.

    Under cover of night, Marrant's troops target Jeep Cherokees, Porsche Cayennes and other four-wheel-drive vehicles parked on the tree-lined avenues and cobblestoned lanes of wealthy neighborhoods. The eco-guerrillas deflate tires without damaging them, smear doors with mud and paste handbills on windshields proclaiming that the vehicles are dangerous, polluting behemoths that do not belong in the city.

    "We use the mud to say that if the owners will not take the four-wheel-drives to the countryside, we will bring the countryside to the four-wheel-drives," said Marrant, 28, who uses an alias because angry drivers deluge his website, http://degonfle.blogg.org with e-mails threatening mayhem and questioning his manhood.

    Although his nom de guerre was inspired by Subcommander Marcos, the masked Mexican guerrilla revered by leftists, Marrant insists he is not violent or even particularly serious. "Deflated" is a self-deprecating name that also means "coward" in French. The group wants to send a mischievous message while avoiding damage to the vehicles, injury and prosecution, the thin, mop-haired activist said during an interview in a corner cafe on the Seine's left bank, longtime turf of radicals and revolutionaries.

    "We emphasize the comic, the burlesque side," Marrant said with the earnest, wide-eyed look of a prankster trying to keep a straight face. "It would be hard to take us to court. We don't slash tires, we deflate them. Air doesn't cost anything. As for getting cars dirty, that's nothing. I would plead guilty to that. Our rules are to never run from the police. And always run from the owners."

    The rise of anti-SUV activism in France shows that one man's vandal can be another man's avenger. The deflators are on the fringe of a movement that has considerable support at City Hall, which is governed by an alliance of the Socialist and Green parties.

    Christophe Delabre, the president of a French association of SUV owners, has appeared in a television debate with Marrant, who wore sunglasses, a baseball cap and a bandanna to conceal his identity. Delabre does not find his adversary amusing.

    "It's comparable to extremism, to discrimination, to inciting hate," Delabre said. "You can't stigmatize a category of the population with impunity under the pretext that they drive a kind of vehicle…. [The Deflated] put others' lives in danger, and that's unacceptable. It's out of the question that this kind of action is tolerated in France. I don't understand how the police can arrest deflators and let them go a few hours later."

    Although city leaders don't condone vandalism, officials have gone as far as proposing that Paris ban sport utility vehicles. Deputy Mayor Denis Baupin, who oversees transportation programs, has called the SUV "a caricature of a car."

    Baupin spoke during a recent rally of about 200 activists at a Jeep dealership where the manager had agreed to shut down early for the day. The decision drew cheers from children wearing cow and buffalo masks, cyclists hoisting bikes triumphantly aloft.

    "An SUV is totally useless for Paris," Baupin said in his speech, blaming the recent devastating hurricanes in the U.S. on climate change caused by pollution. "The situation is striking: The country that refused to sign the Kyoto Protocol suffered from a climatic catastrophe…. We all feel sorry for the dead in New Orleans. But now maybe the United States should start considering that their development pattern is not to be repeated worldwide and that it causes environmental problems."

    In the United States, sport utility vehicles account for one of every four automobiles sold, but in France, SUVs represent only about 5% of the market. The prices are high for middle-class families, but sales jumped about 20% last year.

    Overt official hostility has encouraged antisocial attacks masquerading as activism, Delabre charged.

    "This reflects the impact of the statements made during the last two years by Mr. Baupin," he said. "He has told anyone listening, and the media helped him a lot, that four-wheel-drives should be banned. I criticized him because that kind of talk surprised me coming from an elected representative."

    Like other historic European capitals, Paris struggles with overwhelming traffic that challenges even the smallest cars and steeliest drivers. Double-parked delivery trucks block narrow streets. Swarms of motorcyclists zoom the wrong way on congested boulevards. Parking garages, impossibly small, seem designed by sadists.

    Spurred by the take-back-the-streets attitude of the Greens, City Hall is trying to discourage cars in favor of mass transit, biking and walking. In addition, the national government has imposed a new tax on high-polluting vehicles that works out to about $300 per owner, but varies depending on emission levels.

    And the Deflated are stepping up their stealthy fight. Marrant is writing a children's song as an anthem for the cause. He also hopes to record a dance-mix version before Saturday, when activists plan an international wave of anti-SUV operations — by daylight, this time — in France, Britain, Canada and Australia.

    "The point is to focus on consumers," he said, spewing smoke from a Gaulois cigarette into the haze shrouding the crowded cafe. "We have to get past the idea that there's always a single, identifiable villain: the president, the corporation, the chief executive. Our campaign has to be very marketing, shocking, provocative. I want to make it fashionable to be anti-4X4."

    Marrant is unemployed, though he has dabbled in journalism. His brother works for a major European corporation. His group numbers about 20, he said. They come from a mix of middle- and working-class backgrounds and anti-globalization and environmental groups.

    The Deflated have made contact with like-minded activists in the United States. Marrant is familiar with the U.S. television advertising campaign that equated buying an SUV with financing Islamic terrorism. But he finds it too gloomy.

    He says the French public supports his group's approach. People send e-mails asking to participate or suggesting tactics, such as a special tool the activists now use for lightning-fast deflations.

    "It's a kind of key that deflates a tire very fast and completely, in two seconds," he said. "A mechanic sent an e-mail telling us about it. He said, 'You can do better than you have been doing.'
    "

    Delabre, meanwhile, fears an eventual confrontation.

    "I put myself in the place of an owner of a four-wheel-drive who sees people messing up his vehicle," he said. "I worry that things will get out of control. We can't accept that in our fine democracy. People have died for the freedom we have today."

    I would imagine you could make something from a dustcap, cut the top partially off and have a spike in it, screw it on and cycle off.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭Gavin


    blorg wrote: »
    It's better in the mornings all right but I don't think I have _ever_ had a free run in the evenings (talking about the left side headed towards town here, where the parking is.)

    Ah yeah, you're right too. Sorry, I'm going the other way in the evenings.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 882 ✭✭✭cunnins4


    Did you have a mobile phone camera with you?

    Yeah, but it's a piece of shíte so wasn't bothered taking one. Probably should've though.


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