printing on lan

invisimage

I have XP on the pc that is connected to the printer and vista home premium on the other pc. Both connect to internet through the same router. What do I need to have them both 'see' each other so that files on the one that is not connected to the printer can be printed without having to manually copy them to a removable usb key and copied to the printer pc

Thomas_S_Hunterson

You need to set up a Workgroup.

invisimage

Sean_K wrote: »

You need to set up a Workgroup.

A network card like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_card? is that the same as pcmcia card connecting xp pc to wireless router? Or ethernet card

Which pc do i set it up the workgroup on or does it matter/

Sherifu

If they're both already connected to the internet through the router, it means they both have network capabilities and setting up the network shouldn't be hard. Find the ip of 1 and try to ping it from the other. "ipconfig /all" from the command line will give you the network config of each machine.

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rkm wrote: »

If they're both already connected to the internet through the router, it means they both have network capabilities and setting up the network shouldn't be hard. Find the ip of 1 and try to ping it from the other. "ipconfig /all" from the command line will give you the network config of each machine.

I have an 1pv4 address on one Wireless LAN adapter wireless network connection but the other. Ping the ipv4 address get request timed out packets lost. It is only a local address I think 192.168.1.2? Is that what i should be pinging?

ethernet adapter local area connection says media state: media disconnected. They are both on the internet now through the same router

netbios over tcp is enabled

Sherifu

Yes exactly 192.168.2.* is your local network between router and 2 pcs.
Each one has an address as above? yes?
Timing out: are there firewalls in play?

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rkm wrote: »

Yes exactly 192.168.2.* is your local network between router and 2 pcs.

OK

Each one has an address as above? yes?

only one has address, this one the vista

Timing out: are there firewalls in play?

xp one has a zonealarm firewall and this one has comodo firewall. What do i need to do allow them to connect through firewall?

Sherifu

They each should have an ip like 192.168.2.*, if you run the command above on xp, you should see an address like this.
You need to add the ip addresses of each machine to the other machine's firewall configuration. Set them as trusted ips.

invisimage

rkm wrote: »

They each should have an ip like 192.168.2.*, if you run the command above on xp, you should see an address like this.
You need to add the ip addresses of each machine to the other machine's firewall configuration. Set them as trusted ips.

ok i see my router address is blocked by the comodo firewal how can that be when I am on internet? EDIT I can ping each one from the other now but i have not changed firewall. The vista is 192.168.1.1 and the xp is 192.168.1.2 Thank you for your help

Sherifu

Your router address is blocked? What do you mean? Connections from the other pc are blocked I imagine, that's why the ping fails.
Lets not create problems where there are none. You have net so there's no problem with the router.

You need to add 192.168.1.1 to zonealarm and 192.168.1.2 to comodo.

invisimage

rkm wrote: »

Your router address is blocked? What do you mean? Connections from the other pc are blocked I imagine, that's why the ping fails.
Lets not create problems where there are none. You have net so there's no problem with the router.

You need to add 192.168.1.1 to zonealarm and 192.168.1.2 to comodo.

I have checked both firewalls.Both already have each other's ip in the trusted zone

Sherifu

Ok, I missed the edit where you said "I can ping each one from the other now". Weird that it just started working but anyway. Now you need to enable file sharing on one or both so you can access documents for printing.

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rkm wrote: »

Ok, I missed the edit where you said "I can ping each one from the other now". Weird that it just started working but anyway. Now you need to enable file sharing on one or both so you can access documents for printing.

This is my aim:-
1 type material on the vista i.e 192.168.1.1
2 be able to print it from the xp 192.168.1.2
3 If possible print while sat at vista
4 So do i have to enable file sharing on one or both? If one then which one?

Am I exposing myself in anyway to hackers no? I am only changing what happens my side of the router yes?

Thanks again

Snowbat

Can be either one:
Create a document in Vista, save in a shared Vista folder, open from XP machine and print.
Create a document in Vista, save in a shared folder on the XP machine, open on XP machine and print.

You may like to set up shared folders on both machines for flexibility.

You can also set up printer sharing on the XP machine and (provided a driver for your printer is available in Vista) you can intall it as a network printer in Vista and print to it as if it was directly attached.


A NAT router will by default block access to your shares from the internet side.

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I have folowed this link http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspx but when I try to share I get a mesage your file could not be shared. Only some files can be shared? In XP the files under my documents can't be, so I have to create a special folder for shared files?

Snowbat wrote: »

Can be either one:
Create a document in Vista, save in a shared Vista folder, open from XP machine and print.
Create a document in Vista, save in a shared folder on the XP machine, open on XP machine and print.

can i create in vista save in vista and print from vista? I am set now to share printer as well. But when i tried to share a file i got this file cannot be shared. Sharing is on on vista and on by default in xp

You may like to set up shared folders on both machines for flexibility.

Yes

You can also set up printer sharing on the XP machine

ok

and (provided a driver for your printer is available in Vista)

how do i know if there is?

you can intall it as a network printer in Vista and print to it as if it was directly attached.

wirelessly?

A NAT router will by default block access to your shares from the internet side.

OK

invisimage

OK update

I cannot see the xp from the vista. I can see the vista in the XP workgroup folder but cannot connect to it.

It says vista is not accessible.. you might not have permission to use this network resource...the network path was not found

On the vista I am told my file is shared and given the path.But when I try type that path into the XP just to see it says windows cannot find the file
I cannot find where in zonealarm to configure to let the connection through if that is what is stopping it. I was able to configure comodo

Snowbat

If these were my machines, I'd uninstall the firewalls temporarily while setting up the file and printer sharing. Vista permissions are awkward enough to get your head around without adding firewall issues into the mix. I don't have any Vista machines here so I can't help much. You're making progress though. Is your XP username and password the same on the Vista machine? Have you reviewed the permissions on the Vista share?

For the printer, go to the manufacturer's website and look for a Vista driver for your model of printer. Printer drivers vary but during installation it may ask if the printer is a local or network printer, or you may need to change the port to the network path after installation. I'd concentrate on getting Vista to see your XP share first though - whatever is blocking that will likely block access to the printer too.

invisimage

Is your XP username and password the same on the Vista machine?

I do not have a username or password as these pcs are not used by anyone but me and it is a home LAN

I'd concentrate on getting Vista to see your XP share first though - whatever is blocking that will likely block access to the printer too.

Good idea. Thanks

Fourth screenshot down big red X at http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/wxplanus.html is similar to what i get

invisimage

Do I have to be on internet to share fle on LAN? I turned off firewall in xp to see if i could access the network. I had nothing in my network place or my workgroups. So I enabled the xp firewall and put both pcs on internet and then I could see the vista from xp but cannot connect to it.

And I am back to getting file could not be shared

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/298804 might be problem

Sherifu

I would disconnect from the net[then disable firewalls], and try to set up printer sharing as Snowbat suggested. Go into the control panel on the vista machine, printers and faxes and try to add a printer, networked printer, see if you can browse to the xp machine for the printer attached.

Don't forget to turn on the firewalls after.

rockal

You need to install LLTD on the XP machine for Vista machine to 'see' it, as per http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=4f01a31d-ee46-481e-ba11-37f485fa34ea&DisplayLang=en

Snowbat

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspx

Windows Vista by default does not allow simple file sharing. Access to shared folders, including the public folder (if shared), requires a user name and password. Simple file sharing is enabled by default in Windows XP Home Edition.

That means you'll need to either:
a) Find your XP username (you do have one - it is the name that appears after C:\Documents and Settings\ when you click Start > Run and open cmd), add this user on Vista, and make sure this user has permissions to access the folder and files you want to share
or
b) Change the Vista default to allow simple file sharing

Both machines will need to be connected to the router for your local network to function. You can disconnect the phone cable (for combo modem/routers) or disconnect the WAN cable (for standalone routers) if you are paranoid about security, but a NAT router will by default block all incoming connections except ports you have set up port forwarding on and works as a firewall. The firewalls on your machines are only blocking local traffic from each other (extra security but not really needed).

invisimage

Right. I disconnected from net, both firewalls off. I have browsed to control panel/printer faxes. Ther is no printer found on my search for a netwoked printer. Printer is on and connected to XP. Local printer does not have my printer in its list
Do i have to uninstall the firewalls or just disable them?
I get this computer is not connected to a network. Tuen on network discovery. When i try to do that the only connection is the internet connection. when I connect to the net network discovery come on. So do you have to be on the net to file share on a LAN. I went to control panel while on the internet and still no printer found and my file could not be shared
Should ip routing be enabled?

Snowbat

Have you shared the printer in XP?

I've seen a disabled firewall still blocking traffic - that's why I suggested uninstall them and reinstall+configure later when you've got the file and printer sharing working.

You don't have to be connected to the internet to share on a LAN. You'll need to be connected to the router though. How are you connecting and disconnecting from the internet - enabling and disabling the network interface on each computer? If yes, that is also enabling and disabling your connection to the router.

Sherifu

I have experience with sharing with zonealarm installed and once I disabled it everything went fine. That's why I just suggested disabling it. As for commodo I only used it once so i'm not sure about it.

invisimage

Snowbat wrote: »

Have you shared the printer in XP?

yes and i got a warning i may be at risk because i did not use the wizard

Snowbat wrote: »

How are you connecting and disconnecting from the internet - enabling and disabling the network interface on each computer? If yes, that is also enabling and disabling your connection to the router.

Yes so how do I connect to the router and not internet?
Thanks for all the feedback will take all into account on next attempt

Sherifu

Plug out the phone/external line from the router. If you disable the network on the pcs you'll never be able to connect.

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rkm wrote: »

Plug out the phone/external line from the router. If you disable the network on the pcs you'll never be able to connect.

OK thanks and do i have to do that each time i want to go on LAN but not internet?

Sherifu

No this is just to make it easy to get it working, afterwards you can set up the firewalls and stay connected.
As Snowbat said with the router you're not at too much risk if you don't disconnect from the net but to be sure and safe you should.

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rkm wrote: »

No this is just to make it easy to get it working, afterwards you can set up the firewalls and stay connected.
As Snowbat said with the router you're not at too much risk if you don't disconnect from the net but to be sure and safe you should.

OK thanks snowbat you too will post back later when I have a chance to try all these suggestions

invisimage

Snowbat wrote: »

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspx

That means you'll need to either:
a) Find your XP username (you do have one - it is the name that appears after C:\Documents and Settings\ when you click Start > Run and open cmd),

Oh that username I understand now;)

invisimage

I have installed LLTD on Vista and rebooted. And I found XP username and added on Vista with permission to share file. It is in the drop down menu under file sharing choose people to share with.In my networks I had Netopia Smart Modem. Now it is gone I have Netopia 2247NWG as router. In work groups on xp I have only the XP and properties says it is professional but have home. I cannot see xp from vista and can see any printer.

On local aera connection properties should I have "allow other network users to connect through this computers internet connection" ticked on advanced tab? When I try I get "internet connection sharing cannot be enabled due to an ip addess conflict on the network. ICS requires the host be configured to use 192.168.0.1. Please ensure that no other client on the network is configured to use it

A ballon in the tray says "There is an ip address conflict with another system on the network

Now what ever else I have done I cannot go on the internet in vista, local access only, so I am typing this in xp. How can i get vista back on the internet? Thanks any help really appreciated. OK Vista now back online I turned off allow other network users to connect through this computers internet connection on vista

rockal

invisimage: I have installed LLTD on Vista and rebooted. wrote:

LLTD should be installed on XP machine only.

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rockal wrote: »

invisimage: I have installed LLTD on Vista and rebooted. wrote:

LLTD should be installed on XP machine only.

Sorry meant XP only

invisimage

I have now been able to 'see' files in the shared folder in xp but they are not visible in vista. My network places has some unimportant test files but is in the internet zone?

In XP the printer has a little hand underneath palm up is that not the shared file ?

One of my vista files appears to be shared,** it has two little people at bottom left and security tab in properties it has the xp name under group or user names but under permissions in advanced security settings it says not inherited? I still cannot find it in xp.

Thanks for the tips

**Only shared with the username of the xp which i set up on the vista. Vista shared with vista not with xp

invisimage

I am set up except printer will not work from vista to xp. I have dissconnected and reconnected it, turned it on and off, rebooted both computers. In the network and sharing centre on vista it says no printers are installed even though i installed the printer as a network printer. Turn on printer sharing is greyed out

I also installed drivers from the printer web page on to vista. Do these need to be installed on XP to run a local print from xp to physically connected printer or is thereno local prints anymore all network?

Also printing direct from xp where the printer is physically connecte to the printer will only print one page and has to be turned on and off between pages