Jet Blast: A thread for discussing anything A & A

Oilrig

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I often wonder how you "drivers" manage to get on with each other in the cockpit, CRM and all that...

Given that you slaughter each other and anyone else within range on forums like this...

(not aimed at any particular poster, just a general observation)

In my experience, the plank drivers are worse than the rotary guys.

... I expect to be hung, drawn, and quartered by someone who has a rehearsed reason to explain this behaviour...:rolleyes:

PS... hope my grammar is correct...;)

skybus

often wonder how you "drivers" manage to get on with each other in the cockpit, CRM and all that...

Yes it certainly comes across that way on this and other boards alright. It's actually very civilised in reality. The problem with discussions like these and others is that you often get a person throwing in complete inaccuracies and I suppose others take it upon themselves to try to set the record straight. Almost like a judge without jury type sceanario. The face behind the mask. Sometimes these can be made tongue in cheek. Sometimes not. I suppose I'm guilty of it here. I don' normally contribute to forums like these but we again see one of these type of people throwing in complete inaccuracies into a general discussion. I happen to know many people in Aer Arann and I can absolutely confirm that the gentleman above is completely wrong. It's just a pity he can't retract his rant and keep things civilised without chastising the community of people he works with.

I'm certainly not one to start ranting and raving other nothing.

And your right it also bugs me when I'm told my grammer and spelling is wrong

CelloPoint

skybus wrote: »

Yes it certainly comes across that way on this and other boards alright. It's actually very civilised in reality. The problem with discussions like these and others is that you often get somone people throwing in complete inaccuracies and I suppose others take it upon themselves to try to set the record straight. Almost like a judge without jury type sceanario. The face behind the mask. I suppose I'm guilty of it here. I don' normally contribute to forums like these but we again see one of these type of people throwing in complete inaccuracies into a general discussion. I happen to know many people in Aer Arann and I can absolutely confirm that the gentleman above is completely wrong. It's just a pity he can't retract his rant and keep things civilised without chastising the community of people he works with.

I'm certainly not one to start ranting and raving other nothing.

And your right it also bugs me when I'm told my grammer and spelling is wrong

I'd say your passengers would find it hard to distinguish your voice from an automatic speech generating computer.

You're like a child with a mechano set the way you're gluing bits of Irish Times-speak (the paper of record I might add) together.

cedar

Of course Im not going to ans your direct question,the fact you asked it on this forum shows contempt for me!!!But its the like of you that cause long nuisance tech delays and endless engineering expense....I suppose its clowns like you that keep me in a job but it the long run will close down many small operators.
Still not convinced you're(speaking of men behind masks) anything but a know it all pain in the a8rs f/o from the don who went into lingus where your sort of petulance is tolerated and you treat it like a posh flying club for you and your chums not a commercial operation that other people depend on for travelling and making a living out of.PLEASE GROW UP!

cp251

Being a pilot with a brother for an Engineer. I've had one or two 'discussions' over a beer or two not dissimilar to the one we have seen here. All in good fun though. I always win though, 'cos us pilots are great!

But the bitter Engineer is quite common, (a classic example to be found on this thread) usually dismissing the jumped up 'drivers' as arrogant and overpaid. (I'm neither by the way.) While there are pilots who meet that criteria. It's not the rule. On the other hand there are also arrogant Engineers but few overpaid.

It's unneccessary and stupid and Cedar should know better. The issue was nicely dealt with though. I have to say though that if there is too much pilot bashing going on, the pilots who frequent this forum will 'take off', so to speak. Rather an unfortunate situation for an aviation forum.

RoundyMooney

As I've always held, animated discussion is fine, in fact it's welcomed.

When it spirals into people calling each other clowns, it's time to call a halt though

Cedar's access restored early by the way.

FlutterinBantam

cp251 wrote: »

Being a pilot with a brother for an Engineer. I've had one or two 'discussions' over a beer or two not dissimilar to the one we have seen here. All in good fun though. I always win though, 'cos us pilots are great!

But the bitter Engineer is quite common, (a classic example to be found on this thread) usually dismissing the jumped up 'drivers' as arrogant and overpaid. (I'm neither by the way.) While there are pilots who meet that criteria. It's not the rule. On the other hand there are also arrogant Engineers but few overpaid.

It's unneccessary and stupid and Cedar should know better. The issue was nicely dealt with though. I have to say though that if there is too much pilot bashing going on, the pilots who frequent this forum will 'take off', so to speak. Rather an unfortunate situation for an aviation forum.

Regrettable maybe,but I'm sure we would be able to carry on;)

cp251

Regrettable maybe,but I'm sure we would be able to carry on

with only the dreamers, spotters, wanabees, flight sim aces and bitter Engineers. Great fun!:rolleyes:

It would be like serving soldiers being driven out of the military forum.

If you don't want pilots around, you only have to say so. You'd miss us though:D You really would.:(

I doubt if we'll see much of Skybus again.

FlutterinBantam

cp251 wrote: »

with only the dreamers, spotters, wanabees, flight sim aces and bitter Engineers. Great fun!:rolleyes:

It would be like serving soldiers being driven out of the military forum.

If you don't want pilots around, you only have to say so. You'd miss us though:D You really would.:(

I doubt if we'll see much of Skybus again.

Hey,there's a lot more to aviation than actual flying.

Nobody wants anybody out unless they are making a nuisance of themselves and the mods can handle that very well.
Aviation is a vast industry and you my friend are only a small, albeit important, cog in it.
Everybody plays their part and despite popular opinion amongst the flying aces, it is possible to have fun without actual flying.

Everybody is welcome here as far as I am concerned,but lets not fall into the trap of feeling that the absence of any particular group will diminish the forum and lead to deep stall.;)

Certainly not!!

cp251

Hey,there's a lot more to aviation than actual flying.

There is? I thought that was the whole raison d'etre of aviation, you know flying, going up in the air and travelling from place to place without the considerable inconvenience of having stay on the ground.

I disagree with you completely, the absence of any group would diminsh the forum. But pilots in particular. If you take away any group who work in or are involved directly with aviation from this forum, it would be diminshed. Be they pilots, engineers, air traffic controllers or others who look in.

Your mistake is to think that by pilot, I'm only referring to obvious airline pilots like skybus. Bear in mind that anybody in the above groups can be a pilot. I know engineers, ATC, accountants, lawyers etc who are pilots. Student pilots, private pilots, microlight pilots, CPL's, ATPL's. It's not just those of us who earn a living as a pilot who are pilots. Remove pilots and you lose a huge slice of potential contributors.

But then of course, maybe the sneering abuse and patronising comments by certain individuals here is actually directed at only those pilots who earn their living from flying. Who everyone knows have massive egos and need to be kept in their place?

pclancy

Skybus will and should be back I'm sure, he had a debate with two people that were then banned for getting too personal and showed their immaturity in their posts, but thats what often happens, thats the way it is on the net. Pilots on a whole were not insulted, its an aviation forum there's no way they would all disappear. In any industry there will be people that dont think much of others in their industry, if some tech people dont like pilots or visa versa, it shouldnt be so big a problem as people leave!

A lot us may just be here for the discussions, to learn a bit and have fun and are just useless wanabees but we dont all post pointless crap purely to antagonise people. Also spare a thought for those of us that will be studying for our PPLs one day and are only wanabees until then

Nobody is going anywhere because of one debate on one thread, if they do then sorry but that's just life on a net forum!

And cp251 i'm not directing this at you personally but it doesnt really bother me if you stay or go, you seem not to like much any input on this forum from anyone outside of the aviation industry but we've all got a right to post here about something we're interested in and nobody is doubting your experience or value of information to be contributed here.

If this were a real discussion I would now proceed to suggest that we all get drunk and forget about it.

FlutterinBantam

I was hoping this would not degenerate into the kind of thread you are dragging it into.
Quite frankly, you seem to have a quite exalted opinion of yourself, and try as I might, not to get personal, I feel you are epitomising the very attitude that the less well versed amongst us tend to expect from pilots.

You allude to fact that without people like you the forum would be diminished,and refer to other users in what I consider to be a disparaging and disrespectful manner.

You say you are a pilot,but as far as I am concerned you could be a chef posting in his jocks in the front room,I don't know,i don't want to know, and I don't care.

Please don't talk down to people who are genuinely interested in aviation,and dismiss their interest as non consequential.

People are not total idiots around here sir.

RoundyMooney

All are welcome here, once they don't dirty their bibs to the detriment of others.

Simple as that really. Pilots can provide valuable insight, as can techs, even spotters.

Without any of these demographics, and indeed some I forgot to mention, we'd lack a balanced exchange of views.

Boards might be a dictatorship, but this forum like many others, tends to the democratic, because everybody is equal.

damo

There are certain types of people around today who assume, because i have a pilots licence, that im an arrogant, full of myself gob****e, which certainly is not the case. It seems like some of those people are posting on this board, and from my experience those people tend to have far bigger chips on their shoulders than the arrogant pilots they associate me with.

cp251

And cp251 i'm not directing this at you personally but it doesnt really bother me if you stay or go, you seem not to like much any input on this forum from anyone outside of the aviation industry

Excuse me, exactly where have I made the slightest suggestion that I don't to like input from anyone outside the aviation industry? That is quite simply incorrect. Do a search using my user name and quote me any comments I made of that nature. You won't find any.

Flutterinbantam

Quite frankly, you seem to have a quite exalted opinion of yourself, and try as I might, not to get personal, I feel you are epitomising the very attitude that the less well versed amongst us tend to expect from pilots.

I don't have an exalted opinion of myself. Where did you get that from? Bear in mind that the I was simply commenting on the fact that at least three posters on this thread had a go at Skybus in large part because he is an airline pilot and thus has an exalted opinion of himself in their opinion. My original reply to your rather sarcastic comment was lighthearted in intent. Hence the smilies. Everything else is your interpretation.

Read everything I wrote again, at no point did I make any form of personal attack. Yet I received two? Odd that!

Let me tell you the arrogant pilot is very much the exception. They exist, particularly in certain airlines but they are rare and irritate the hell out of everyone including their colleagues. However in my experience, slagging off pilots is endemic in parts of the aviation business and outside it too.
Damo sums it up very well. You know, since I start working as a pilot, I usually avoid telling people what I do when asked. Either I change the subject or straight out lie. So much for arrogance.

pclancy

Lol, I would take your #47 above to be slightly suggestive of that. If I'm wrong, so be it, I dont really care!

I dont understand your last bit though. Where does this slagging and abuse come from in the real world? There's no way I'd ever hide what I did for a living from someone.

cp251

In 49 I said:

I disagree with you completely, the absence of any group would diminsh the forum.

That includes everyone.

The I said:

If you take away any group who work in or are involved directly with aviation from this forum, it would be diminshed. Be they pilots, engineers, air traffic controllers or others who look in.

No exclusions there. I also mentioned that anyone can be a pilot, so lose pilots and you lose a broad range of people.

The slagging does go on believe me, it's no big deal. But it gets tiresome. I suppose anyone involved in an 'interesting' job gets it. I'm sure Doctors get fed up with people asking them medical questions on a day off or lawyers, etc.

*Kol*

I enjoy reading anybodies input whether they are pilots, engineers, or aerosexuals in general. And the whole point of any forum is to disuss a particular subject where novices and knowalls alike can have an input (for me anyway before anybody sees that last statement as an invite to discuss what a forum is).

I thought the whole point of this particular furum was to discuss anything "A&A"??

Is this thread particularly reserved for back and forth polite bickering?

highlydebased

Jetblast is a pprune term. We are not pprune. Cant we use a different title........

RoundyMooney

Well suggest one, then.

The title has little relevance tbh.

highlydebased

..........

"The Holding Stack".......

Sounds like the name of a bar....or............

RoundyMooney

Well, suggestions welcome, it is your forum, guys.

This thread could be an interesting experiment, or a dismal failure. Either way, we'll give it a go.

Oilrig

Jeez, calm down guys...

cedar: (et al)

I'm not an aircraft engineer, (but have an engineering background) I don't work for EI, I've never been a "member" of the "Don". I first flew an aircraft in 1988 - still sporadically learning

I spent a while operating aircraft on behalf of my employer, time charters, wet leases, etc both fixed and rotary wing - globally.

No axe to grind. Just expressed an observation.

Roundy, sorry for the hassle mate, I'm sure you've enough to do without this... I should have seen it coming

RoundyMooney

There's no hassle at all. There was, and heads were (gently) cracked

I'd love to see a few more good debates here tbh. Your post just happened to be the first in that thread that fitted this one.

FlutterinBantam

cp251 wrote: »

In 49 I said:


That includes everyone.

The I said:


No exclusions there. I also mentioned that anyone can be a pilot, so lose pilots and you lose a broad range of people.

The slagging does go on believe me, it's no big deal. But it gets tiresome. I suppose anyone involved in an 'interesting' job gets it. I'm sure Doctors get fed up with people asking them medical questions on a day off or lawyers, etc.

jaysus, is this guy for real

RoundyMooney

He has a point. Just tell him why you think he's wrong.

cp251

Nice one Roundy, good idea. point made. Of course there is no real need for a jetblast type forum here. PPRuNe is specifically a professional pilots forum and jetblast was set aside for general comments and anything not specifically relevant to aviation. There are plenty of forums for that on boards.ie. But even jetblast doesn't tolerate personal attacks or ad hominen comments.

This isn't a pilots forum. It's an aviation forum so anybody can contribute if they wish. But there is no room for personal attacks and the snide one liners against any group.


Several contributors haven't exactly distinguished themselves. Ah but that's the internet!

jmayo

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

....
You say you are a pilot,but as far as I am concerned you could be a chef posting in his jocks in the front room,I don't know,i don't want to know, and I don't care.
...

Thanks to FlutterinBataam I now have an awful image in my mind of cp251 sitting at his keyboard sipping a newcastle brown ale, with nothing on but chefs hat and jocks :eek:

PS to some of my friends the problem with the likes of this forum is there are not enough people discussing real flying i.e. gliding, paragliding and hangliding
The type of flying where there are no go arounds and second chances.

FlutterinBantam

jmayo wrote: »

Thanks to FlutterinBataam I now have an awful image in my mind of cp251 sitting at his keyboard sipping a newcastle brown ale, with nothing on but chefs hat and jocks :eek:

PS to some of my friends the problem with the likes of this forum is there are not enough people discussing real flying i.e. gliding, paragliding and hangliding
The type of flying where there are no go arounds and second chances.

Well, we will never know will we;)


Ah ...thats the interweb for ya, you just don't know who you are dealing with:cool:

cp251

Thanks to FlutterinBataam I now have an awful image in my mind of cp251 sitting at his keyboard sipping a newcastle brown ale, with nothing on but chefs hat and jocks

PS to some of my friends the problem with the likes of this forum is there are not enough people discussing real flying i.e. gliding, paragliding and hangliding
The type of flying where there are no go arounds and second chances.

Ugh, doesn't bear thinking about. Besides I never wear jocks and as for Newcastle brown ale, nay lad. More of a wine drinker myself.

Somehow I thiink Flutter is the chef in jocks. :eek:

RoundyMooney

jmayo wrote: »

PS to some of my friends the problem with the likes of this forum is there are not enough people discussing real flying i.e. gliding, paragliding and hangliding
The type of flying where there are no go arounds and second chances.

Bring it on

It's all aviation.

jmayo

cp251 wrote: »

Ugh, doesn't bear thinking about. Besides I never wear jocks and as for Newcastle brown ale, nay lad. More of a wine drinker myself.

Somehow I thiink Flutter is the chef in jocks. :eek:

Yeah Transair don't do jocks.
Anyway this is more information than we needed to know thank you very much Cp251

Does anybody know what happened to the guys that were setting up a mile high club service in the UK ( http://www.milehighuk.com/ ) ?

Maybe service is wrong choice of word here.
Basically they flew a couple (or whatever rocks your boat) upto a mile and gave them x minutes of fun time, alone I assume.
They were supposed to use a Cessna Caravan.
First time you could say with any pride you did it in a caravan

I suppose they gave you a t-shirt to celebrate the achievement.

cp251

Ah I see the ambiguity. But to clarify would be to stray into TMI territory.:o