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New build - electrical certification

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  • 06-02-2008 1:04pm
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    c07
    Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭


    wonder can anyone advise me on what to do here!
    Basically, we are now at 2nd fix electric stage in new build.
    We had our light requirements listed out, and the wiring is in for all, however we have not bought all the lights for the house yet.
    Builder rang there now, to say that electrician will be back this week to finish electrics and asked if we had our lights yet. I didn't think certification could be held up if we haven't chosen our lights.
    Ok, we will have to source recessed spotlights, as they will have to be installed by a professional electrician as part of certification - that's ok, but we have no idea what other lights we want.
    I.e. rest are pendant lights, and mirror lights but haven't picked the lights themselves yet. Also, we have the option of wall lights, but don't want to put wall lights on, just yet.

    Surely, the electrician can obtain sign off without us purchasing all the lights for the entire house?
    What is the minimum we need to provide electrician for him to sign off and obtain certification?

    Thanks,
    Caz
    :confused:


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    Mr Magnolia
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,429 Mod ✭✭✭✭Mr Magnolia


    I don't know if the lights are required for certification either. The worst case; you have to purchase the cheap ceiling rose efforts costing a few quid. The electrician may even have some so don't sweat it either way. Some of the forum regulars will advise on this anyway I'm sure :)


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    c07
    Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭c07


    thanks mr magnolia. I thought it a bit odd in fairness. I'm thinking along the same lines as you - apart from recessed lights, opt for the standard pendant fixing on the remaining rooms (which i'm sure electrician has!). I assume these standard pendant fixings would accommodate most style light fittings (apart from recessed lights) later down the line?
    As you can tell, i'm not very knowledgeable on these things!:o


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    galwaytt
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    To do the cert, he has to test all circuits - if there are no lights fitted, he can't test. So, no test = no cert.

    You could stick up a bunch of cheap pendants, and change them afterwards.

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    eoghan.geraghty
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    As the lads say, stick in the ceiling roses, they should be included in the price anyway.


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    c07
    Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭c07


    brilliant guys.. thanks a mill... ;)
    based on what you all told me, i've been talking to electrician and he agreed that the roses will do for the certification. Panic over... cheers again :D


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    Darren R
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    Just get the sparks to fit pendants which as some one said he has already priced for and is part of the job to fit them.As for the wall lights if you dont want to fit them yet make sure your sparks puts them in obo boxes so there is no live cables left exposed


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    Keeks
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    galwaytt wrote: »
    To do the cert, he has to test all circuits - if there are no lights fitted, he can't test. So, no test = no cert.

    You could stick up a bunch of cheap pendants, and change them afterwards.

    What tests are preformed to get a cert?

    Is it a case of turn the light switch on and the correct light turns on, or are there actually measurements to be taken?


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    bertie1
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    Keeks wrote: »
    What tests are preformed to get a cert?

    Is it a case of turn the light switch on and the correct light turns on, or are there actually measurements to be taken?

    There are 7 main tests that have to be done, 5 before the cert is submitted to the recognised body ECSSA or RECI and they put it on the ESB computer system for ESB connection and 2 after the ESb is connected.

    Full details available at www.etci.ie


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    Keeks
    Registered Users Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭Keeks


    bertie1 wrote: »
    There are 7 main tests that have to be done, 5 before the cert is submitted to the recognised body ECSSA or RECI and they put it on the ESB computer system for ESB connection and 2 after the ESb is connected.

    Full details available at www.etci.ie

    Where on the site are those tests listed?

    Can't seem to find them?


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    Titainus
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    you shouldn't have to buy the lights. tell the electrician to put the tails into connectors
    spend a €5 on a few stripsand he can do the tests

    tbh the electrician is talking out his ass saying he cant test without lights


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    bertie1
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    Keeks wrote: »
    Where on the site are those tests listed?

    Can't seem to find them?

    Copy of the rules are available see http://www.etci.ie/safety/nationalruleselectricalinstallations.html

    It is section 6 of the regulations , there are other guidelines also available on that website , after reading them you might just see why the electrician needs to complete the job correctly before the supply is connected


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    fishdog
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    tbh the electrician is talking out his ass saying he cant test without lights
    Correct! In fact most new houses in housing estates come with some lights wired for, but the lights not fitted. The cables should be left in a junction box. It would be like an electrician saying he could not cert a house because the cooker is not there!


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