animal cruelty in dog groomers cork!!!

grantfox

DO NOT go to the (named removed) dog grooming parlour in (town removed) cork as they are awful to the animals. The groomer made a dog yelped as he wouldn't sit still and hit another dog for being scared. I could see through the window as they thought the shop was empty. My dog came out completely scared and i think it's disgrace that they say they are dog lovers if they treat the dogs like this. Please pass on the word, they should not be allowed to treat dogs this way and make money doing so.

denashpot

thats a disgrace! if that happened to my dog i would lose it! did you contact any animal cruelty agency??

Whispered

Yes, did you contct an animal cruelty agency? What did they say?

peasant

Is there even such a thing as an "animal cruelty agency" ?

Whispered

You know what I mean, I ask because I'd be a bit worried about just saying "yeah ok, I'll never go there, I'll tell people to avoid it" based on one post and what the poster saw through a window. I just wanted to see if she has reported it anywhere but on a public internet forum.

peasant

Where would you report it to?

I think that you will find that unless dogs come running out that salon bleeding and with limbs missing nobody will be able to do anything under current legislation.

Trading standards would probably be a better bet than the ISPCA or some such organisation.

Whispered

peasant wrote: »

Where would you report it to?

I think that you will find that unless dogs come running out that salon bleeding and with limbs missing nobody will be able to do anything under current legislation.

Trading standards would probably be a better bet than the ISPCA or some such organisation.

Good point - OP report it to a trading standard agency
I would imagine a groomers like that will not stay in business for long. People will not send their dog back if they obviously had a bad experience.

houndsoflove

Hi Grantfox, Thats awful if i were you i would ring the groomers and say what you heard and say you dog is in distress from it. I would like to know what they would say.

I am a dog groomer and i wouldn't have the heart to yell or slap a dog. I can honestly say the dogs always go out tails wagging and happy

The problem is people are paying big money to do a 3-5week grooming course and being told they can set up their own business afterwards. They open up a grooming business and don't have enough experience in handling dogs and they use the "skills" they have seen such as shouting slapping etc and think thats right because they haven't been showing how to handle a dog properly. :mad:

When i was on work experience when training to be a dog groomer i saw some shocking things dogs been sedated without the owners being told, dog slapped kicked yelled at etc... I was told i was too soft to be a dog groomer!

maryoshea

Hi hounds of love hope you are feeling better and are you back at work? Little terry my westie missed you at xmas time when you were out of work.he had a terrible time at a groomers! Shaved down to the skin and shaking with fear coming home is how i would sum it up.

I'll PM you.

sarahpetstop

thats terrible to hear about the treatment that you received i myself do dog grooming and i would never have the heart to treat an animal like that you should contat the ispca

andrawolf

I am just setting up a mobile van dog wash because I have heard of these stories. Dog in all day at a groomers stuck in a cage and cut to bleed when they come out shacking like a leaf. but people still take there dogs there. When I got my huskies I bought them as I was fit for them. My husband gives of as I got a new bath room fitted and the frist things washed in it was my dogs.:D I believe a dog should enjoy a wash my sheltie would craw over you if you lifted a brush. he just loves being brushed. and so do the huskies they fight over who can get to my feet first.:D:D

grantfox

of course they denied it when i said it to them.they deserve all the misfortune that comes their way. will try the trading standards agency, thanks

grantfox

i think it's important to let people know that (name and location of business removed) apparently he is known for being rough to the dogs.

grantfox

hi hounds of love where are you based as you seem like a decent dog groomer? you seem like what all dog groomers should be; a dog lover.

houndsoflove

Hi Grantfox, thank you i do love dogs i also look after 12 of my own cats! They don't know what it is to be hungry I can't believe its that groomer in Cork and he has 20 yrs experience! He runs courses too. :eek: Go to www.ipdga.com Irish Professional Dog Groomers Association. You can report the groomer or any groomer there.

Our man in Havana

@ OP: Do not continue to name the business involved.

Next time the ban hammer will be used.

peasant

@ grantfox

Why don't you groom your dog yourself ?
The equipment as about the price of one to two visits to the groomers

GA361

Good point Peasant,I groom my dog about twice a week.You get to spend more time with the dog and the dog's general behaviour for you improves.

stevoman

how do we really know the OP just has a major problem or a personal vendetta with the grooming service in Cork and whats to destroy its name?

what happened to innocent until proven guilty? im not trying to start a massive debate here but i think its a bit dodgy that somewhon arrives in boards and their 1st post is naming and shaming a business. This could in fact really do damage to his business and all we have to go by is just somebodys "account" of seeing something through the window. maybe it did happen, maybe it didnt happen but theres NO PROOF!!!

Our man in Havana

The OP is on notice that he will be banned if he keeps it up.

stevoman

thanks for seeing my point

grantfox

yes steveoman, i would make up an animal cruelty case just for the fun of it..

There is nothing funny about groomers abusing animals; especially when people trust them with their dogs, expecting them to be well cared for and something that they should enjoy, not endure.

I DO groom my own dog and I brought him to this groomers as a treat. It won't happen again after the way he was treated.

I wanted to make people aware that this groomer should not be trusted with people's dogs as i have seen myself how he treats them.

I'm not going to waste my time convincing; it's up to the individuals themselves whether to trust this groomer with their dogs or not.

cowzerp

If he is bad to the dogs the word will spread, dog lovers wont bring there dog to him and he'll either have to change his ways or go out of business, tell everyone you know about him and it will spread like wildfire..

ioshmearse

peasant wrote: »

Trading standards would probably be a better bet than the ISPCA or some such organisation.

ISPCA is the only relevant body in this case isnt it?

Isnt Trading Standards a UK authority? It would be great if we had them here but I dont think so. If we do have an equivalent please let me know.

EGAR

http://www.consumerconnect.ie/eng/Get_Your_Rights/ ??

ioshmearse

Thanks for the link EGAR.

the grooming pa

grantfox wrote: »

DO NOT go to the (named removed) dog grooming parlour in (town removed) cork as they are awful to the animals. The groomer made a dog yelped as he wouldn't sit still and hit another dog for being scared. I could see through the window as they thought the shop was empty. My dog came out completely scared and i think it's disgrace that they say they are dog lovers if they treat the dogs like this. Please pass on the word, they should not be allowed to treat dogs this way and make money doing so.

:cool:Hi, I am a groomer in Dublin and am a member of the Irish Professional Dog groomers assocaition and Pet Care trust in England, if you have any complaints about groomers that are in these associations you should contact them, most groomers do not treat dogs badly, some dog yelp for no reason at all other than it is their way of talking to you to say they are not sure of what you are doing, it is the groomers job to reasure them and let them know it is ok, they will not be hurt. I dont know of any groomer that would hit a dog, and would not do it myself.but I do know of many dogs that have bitten groomers.
I hope this is of some help to you,
the address of the groomers association is www.ipdga.com I hope this is of help to you

convert

If you know your dog is going to be in a cage all day at the groomer's why would you bring it there if you couldn't pick it up when the groomer was finished?

I know my dogs would lose their lives if I brought them to have a stranger groom them. They dislike the vet enough on home visits. They love when I groom them and love the attention. It makes them feel extra special that I groom them and helps in their behaviour, too.

star-pants

barca girl wrote: »

They dont believe in keeping dogs in cages for more than a few minutes so they will text you if your dog is ready early..! I must say i was delighted with the price and my dog had never been so clean,he had really been given the full groom,with his teeth.ears,nails and they even did his anal glands which i was suprised at as most groomers dont do it, his cut was fab as well they really listen to what you want!!!! We have to stop the animal cruelty that is going on and to be honest you dont know how your dog is being treated anymore by dog groomers because there is so much competition..!!!

I should hope you're not pushing this salon.

Also my groomers does a proper job - they're supposed to do their ears/nails/anal glands, check their teeth, everything. You should always check in the groomers for qualifications.

clare1

I am a dog groomer too and when I did work experience I seen some terrible things - dogs smacked and sedated without owners permission!! And that was at a vets. I too was told I was too soft a person to groom dogs. Well now I have my own dog grooming business and it's all about patience and being kind that dogs respond too

goat2

peasant wrote: »

Where would you report it to?

I think that you will find that unless dogs come running out that salon bleeding and with limbs missing nobody will be able to do anything under current legislation.

Trading standards would probably be a better bet than the ISPCA or some such organisation.

i do all the grooming of my pets, always did, as i have heard of stuff like this in the past, the equipment is easy come by, and it only have to be bought once, which is great, as i would not like to worry my pets, so best done at home

teacherspet

The best way to insure your dog is being treated well is to ask the groomer can you stay and watch. If they say no, well then what are they hiding. If they say yes no problem at all, then you can be assured they are looking after your dog well.
I am also a dog groomer and I don't have a problem with any owner staying to watch. Some times it also helps to reassure a nervous dog to have the owner there.

morganafay

teacherspet wrote: »

The best way to insure your dog is being treated well is to ask the groomer can you stay and watch. If they say no, well then what are they hiding. If they say yes no problem at all, then you can be assured they are looking after your dog well.
I am also a dog groomer and I don't have a problem with any owner staying to watch. Some times it also helps to reassure a nervous dog to have the owner there.

It definitely reassures a nervous dog to have its owner there. But some dogs will play up more with their owners there, they know they can get away with from their owners! If the owners aren't there they seem to stay still and be good.

I did a dog grooming course and some dogs would be good as gold, but when they saw their owner outside the window they'd start messing around.


I wouldn't hit a dog or make it yelp though (well some dogs yelp if you brush them!). It wouldn't help to hit a dog, just be firm and calm with them and they'll hopefully get the message.

the grooming pa

I would never hit a dog, some of my customers dogs drag their owners into my shop when out for a walk lol. If you come into my shop you can see me groom the dogs, I think it is reassuring for owners seeing dogs being groomed, saying that, some dog in fact most will jump around when the owner is there, its natural for them to be with the one they love. There are owners that bring their dogs in totally matted to the shin and say they groomed them yesterday, but as a groomer I know this is not the fact and some of these dogs have to get a smoothie (clipped sort all over) for health reasons and to avoid pain trying to get the matts off. I dont do pain when grooming, I have two dogs and a cat, LOVE animals and cant understand any groomer that has to handle a dog badly.
If you have a complaint WRITE to the IPDGA and they can approach the groomer in question. For all those new owners it is really important to get your dog used to grooming from a very young age. Pop them on a table with something underneath them so they will not slip and gently brush them, talk calmly and reasure the puppy, but do not play, its not play time, just 5 mins a session to start with and a treat afterwards works wonders, keep up the groming, people dont seem to understand how uncomfortable dogs gets with matts and tangles and keep them cool in the warm weather.

Ancient Astronaut

Early one morning I was in with one of the local vets which also has a groomers attached,which unfortunately seems to be becoming the norm these days,when I overheard the nurse who was taking this tiny dog in for a shave and his nails clipped saying "Now he should be ready at 3.30pm for collection".
I'm then thinking to myself frickn hell it's 8.30am in the morning,how long is it going to take to clip this tiny dog's nails & shave him all over?]
I'm guessing a professional groomer could do it all in 5-10mins?
So what's that poor dog going to be up to for the rest of his long compulsory stay?
I dread to think.

Our man in Havana

I do agree that keeping a dog on premises for 7 hours for a grooming is a bit OTT.

andreac

Ancient Astronaut wrote: »

Early one morning I was in with one of the local vets which also has a groomers attached,which unfortunately seems to be becoming the norm these days,when I overheard the nurse who was taking this tiny dog in for a shave and his nails clipped saying "Now he should be ready at 3.30pm for collection".
I'm then thinking to myself frickn hell it's 8.30am in the morning,how long is it going to take to clip this tiny dog's nails & shave him all over?]
I'm guessing a professional groomer could do it all in 5-10mins?
So what's that poor dog going to be up to for the rest of his long compulsory stay?
I dread to think.

How do you know the owner wasnt dropping it in first thing before work or something? The groomer could have had other dogs to groom before that one so it was further down the list to do.
The dogs have to be washed, dried, clipped, tidied up etc, trust me, it takes a lot longer than 10mins, even if you are a professional. Most groomers have kennels and crates for the dogs to go into while they are waiting to be done/collected.

andreac

Haddockman wrote: »

I do agree that keeping a dog on premises for 7 hours for a grooming is a bit OTT.

Some big dogs like saint bernards, newfoundlands can take 3-4 hours to groom. It can take nearly an hour to wash/shampoo and condition them due to all the hair they have.
Then it can take 1-2 hours to dry them fully and then whatever time it takes to clip and style them too so its not just as simple as a quick half hour, believe me ive been around when a saint bernard was done from start to finish, it takes hours.

Our man in Havana

What about a jack russell or other such small dogs? Fair enough in the case of a large dog where it is being attended to for most of the time.

Do groomers not operate an appointment system?

Ancient Astronaut

andreac wrote: »

Most groomers have kennels and crates for the dogs to go into while they are waiting to be done/collected.

Could you imagine what the poor animal thinks or feels about this.
Especially if they are never locked up in small boxes or cages except when at the groomers or vets.
Someone wrote above (I think) about the dogs coming out of the groomers with their tails wagging,like this experience is the best thing in their lives.
It must be hell on earth for the poor creatures being given to some stranger who sticks them in a box,or even worse,a cage which they can see through to their fellow species being man-handled,washed,clipped,brushed the way that they are at the groomers,and then put in a noisy cell of their own.
But hey,At least they smell and look good while being kept in their box,waiting for their selfish lazy owner to come back soon.

andreac

Haddockman wrote: »

What about a jack russell or other such small dogs? Fair enough in the case of a large dog where it is being attended to for most of the time.

Do groomers not operate an appointment system?

Im sure they do, but i know if i was dropping my dog to be groomed i could possibly be working that day so would have to drop them in the morning or something and might not necessarily be around to drop them in at the specific time if its later in the day and im sure that could be the same for a lot of people.

Zapperzy

Ancient Astronaut wrote: »

Could you imagine what the poor animal thinks or feels about this.
Especially if they are never locked up in small boxes or cages except when at the groomers or vets.
Someone wrote above (I think) about the dogs coming out of the groomers with their tails wagging,like this experience is the best thing in their lives.
It must be hell on earth for the poor creatures being given to some stranger who sticks them in a box,or even worse,a cage which they can see through to their fellow species being man-handled,washed,clipped,brushed the way that they are at the groomers,and then put in a noisy cell of their own.
But hey,At least they smell and look good while being kept in their box,waiting for their selfish lazy owner to come back soon.

Thats a bit harsh calling them lazy and selfish. It depends on the dog really, some dogs get very worked up and stressed if they are locked up in a cage but others, (like my dog for example), I know would just lie down and watch the world go by. I don't see whats so cruel with dropping a dog to the groomers and picking them up later if the dog is of the latter sort, surely some people lead busy lives and have to work?

A good groomer should never manhandle a dog, and Im not sure what you mean by 'brushed the way that they are at the groomers'? I have stood by my groomer and watched her with my dog and she has even showed my how to brush a dog properly (with a slicker brush), run it along your arm with the same pressure as you would brush a dog, if it digs into you too much you are using way to much pressure, it should just barely touch your skin as opposed to digging it in.

I think your idea of a dog groomer has been tainted, have you had a bad visit to a groomer as you seem so against bringing a dog to be groomed?

andreac

I know plenty of dogs that love being washed, groomed, trimmed etc and are happy to jump into the bath and stand while being groomed so dont know where you are coming up with the idea they are manhandled and hate it as most dogs really enjoy getting groomed, washed etc.

How is it hell on earth when they are getting lost of attention and being cared for by an experienced dog handler??
If a dog is wagging his tail then he is happy, not sure how you draw the conclusion that hes hating it.

Being washed, clipped, brushed is how a dog is supposed to be cared for, so how can this be a bad thing? I dont get your views on grooming, im guessing you arent a dog owner:rolleyes:

Also how is their owner selfish when they are looking after the dog by getting it groomed and washed?? Thats a good thing for a dog, not a bad thing.

the grooming pa

Ancient Astronaut wrote: »

Could you imagine what the poor animal thinks or feels about this.
Especially if they are never locked up in small boxes or cages except when at the groomers or vets.
Someone wrote above (I think) about the dogs coming out of the groomers with their tails wagging,like this experience is the best thing in their lives.
It must be hell on earth for the poor creatures being given to some stranger who sticks them in a box,or even worse,a cage which they can see through to their fellow species being man-handled,washed,clipped,brushed the way that they are at the groomers,and then put in a noisy cell of their own.
But hey,At least they smell and look good while being kept in their box,waiting for their selfish lazy owner to come back soon.

I am a groomer, I think your comments are a bit harsh, if you come into my salon you can see the dogs being groomed, they are put in individual cages for their own safety, in case other dogs may argue with them, to let them rest as they need to stand on a table to get groomed, and to have a drink, they are brought out to go to the toilet and they are not stressed or ill treated.
You also need to consider the health of the dog, many but not all owners, do not groom their dogs, they are matted, sores under this matting and have fleas, as I said this thankfully is not all dogs, grooming is an important part of your dogs health, you groomer will make you aware of any changes in your dog, as they get to know you dog. lumps, bumps, ingrown nails, infections in their ears. Skin problems to name but a few. You should be able to see where you dog is getting groomed if you want to. I dont have a problem with owners seeing their dog getting groomed, but in some cases, this makes the dog a bit giddy as they obviously want to be with their owners (as they should want)
Grooming a dog properly takes hours, you have to understand that it is not a quick job, the WHOLE body of the dog is groomer, nails clipped, ears cleaned, eyes cleaned, nose cleaned, Coat Brushed and dematted (if its not painful, I dont do pain while grooming) dead hair taken out, brush out, washed twice if not more, conditioned, dryed, trimmed, clipped and thinned or handstripped if necessary. I have to say I think you have a very poor view of groomers, perhaps from a previous experience.
If dogs are stressed or extremely upset with the grooming process, I expect the owner to be able to collect their dog or another family member at short notice. The health of the dog and happiness is most important.
Perhaps you should do a days grooming in a reputable salon, that way you will realise the hard work and dedication most groomers go through.
I show my clients how to groom their dogs if they are having problems with the coat, but will not dematt a dog over and over again if the owner is not willing to put the work in to make their dog comfortable and healthy.

the grooming pa

I am a groomer, I think your comments are a bit harsh, if you come into my salon you can see the dogs being groomed, they are put in individual cages for their own safety, in case other dogs may argue with them, to let them rest as they need to stand on a table to get groomed, and to have a drink, they are brought out to go to the toilet and they are not stressed or ill treated.
You also need to consider the health of the dog, many but not all owners, do not groom their dogs, they are matted, sores under this matting and have fleas, as I said this thankfully this is only some dogs, grooming is an important part of your dogs health, you groomer will make you aware of any changes in your dog, as they get to know you dog. lumps, bumps, ingrown nails, infections in their ears. Skin problems to name but a few. You should be able to see where you dog is getting groomed if you want to. I dont have a problem with owners seeing their dog getting groomed, but in some cases, this makes the dog a bit giddy as they obviously want to be with their owners (as they should want)
Grooming a dog properly takes hours, (not 10 mins) you have to understand that it is not a quick job, the WHOLE body of the dog is groomer, nails clipped, ears cleaned, eyes cleaned, nose cleaned, Coat Brushed and dematted (if its not painful, I dont do pain while grooming) dead hair taken out, brush out, washed twice if not more, conditioned, dryed, trimmed, clipped and thinned or handstripped if necessary. I have to say I think you have a very poor view of groomers, perhaps from a previous experience.
If dogs are stressed or extremely upset with the grooming process, I expect the owner to be able to collect their dog or another family member at short notice. The health of the dog and happiness is most important.
Perhaps you should do a days grooming in a reputable salon, that way you will realise the hard work and dedication most groomers have to do.