sick of jimmy magee?

maradona10

is anyone else on here sick of jimmy magee's commentary. its totally biased towards the irish lads, isnt in anyway objective and offers nothing constructive. he likes the sound of his own voice a bit too much also and insists on talking through the round intervals.

terry mac

He only see's one man landing punches.

cowzerp

Although jimmy likes boxing he knows nothing about it! he is very irritating, he said lee could give up boxing to knock down buildings with his power! he had not even hurt your man at this stage!!

jimmyboy

TBH I love Magee!!!

walshb

Jimmy can be bad, but McCauley is ful of sh*t...

He is constantly talking up the
opposition with his 'world class, world class'...

McCloskey fought a very very average JOE and
listening to Dave boy, you would think the
opponent was from another planet.
They did this sort of thing with Dunne too.
Always making out that Dunne was fighting real
talent..

Lee did very well against a real spoiler. He looked
impressive...

stagolee

Both of them need to go in my opinion. Magee needs to go to some sort of home for the bewildered. He is unintentionally hilarious at times with his Alzheimer's patient style stream of consciousness rants but it is annoying to hear the fight called badly by him any time he is actually looking at whats happening in the ring.

He had us all in stitches with his comment on Saturday which was something like "Its like the old story of the rabbit and the..... the hare"

alanceltic

Lets face it lads, if your posting oh here then u have more than a passing interest in the sport, jimmy doesn not tick the boxes for a discerning boxing fan but to those on the sidelines watching rte on a sat night he is a household name and bridges the gap to sports fans in general who would not be very familiar with the sport, jimmy is a legend but i can see how he irritates some. RTE blew their lot when they got rid of collins (or rather after his own personal side show in the stadium one night) as he is a very good pundit in my opinionand calls it as it is, always find him to be very knowledgable....now dont get me started on mick dowling :mad::mad:

theone

I like jimmy he's no where near as bad as larry merchant on hbo,I said it in another thread about McCauley comparing McCloskeys style to ali i thought that was funnier than anything jimmy came out with.

stagolee

theone wrote: »

I like jimmy he's no where near as bad as larry merchant on hbo,I said it in another thread about McCauley comparing McCloskeys style to ali i thought that was funnier than anything jimmy came out with.

That was very funny as well which is part of the reason I think they both should go, it wouldn't be right to break up a comedy double act like that.

Benazir Bhutto

the Murray Walker of rte.

c1979

Jimmy is ridicolous with his statements. But at least he's not as bad as that wimp on HBO max kellerman (i really hate that guy)

Grace-xxxxxxx

cowzerp wrote: »

Although jimmy likes boxing he knows nothing about it! he is very irritating, he said lee could give up boxing to knock down buildings with his power! he had not even hurt your man at this stage!!

U know its so strange , i sat beside jimmy @ the sports awards only last week, he is a lovely man ...really quick witted and had me in stitches ......

But!

Watching the Lee fight i was going insane !! had a pillow over my head laughing @ the rubbish he came out with ....

I mean isn't commentary usually done that if you were in the other room you could still tell what was going on ?? ... If i was blind i would picture Mr. Lee to have arms like tanks ...considering Jimmy recons that he will demolish houses with them .... awwww the comedy .... I laughed my ass off ...

They need to have a look at the meaning of commentating

Funny stuff!

Running Bing

theone wrote: »

I like jimmy he's no where near as bad as larry merchant on hbo,I said it in another thread about McCauley comparing McCloskeys style to ali i thought that was funnier than anything jimmy came out with.

What? Merchatnt is incredibly knwoledgeable about boxing and is damn enternaining. Unbiased and not a bit obsequious he cuts right to the chase and tells it like it is. He's a million miles ahead of Magee who makes such stupid mistakes you wonder if he's watching the fight.


At the end of the ten round McCloskey fight "Were probably looking at a 60-54 scorecard". I dont know what is more annoying Jimmy's senility, Davey "Boys" incompetence or Dowlings complete air of arrogance and patronising of his peers.

The only one I can stand on it is Jim Rock. Hes not a great commentator by any means but he is honestand has a good idea what he is talking about. Its a shame because it is a pretty good show with some good fights....having said that from time to time I would like to see an actual fight rather than an Irish fighter dominating someone nobodies ever heard of:rolleyes:

Grace-xxxxxxx

Babybing wrote: »

What? Merchatnt is incredibly knwoledgeable about boxing and is damn enternaining. Unbiased and not a bit obsequious he cuts right to the chase and tells it like it is. He's a million miles ahead of Magee who makes such stupid mistakes you wonder if he's watching the fight.


At the end of the ten round McCloskey fight "Were probably looking at a 60-54 scorecard". I dont know what is more annoying Jimmy's senility, Davey "Boys" incompetence or Dowlings complete air of arrogance and patronising of his peers.

The only one I can stand on it is Jim Rock. Hes not a great commentator by any means but he is honestand has a good idea what he is talking about. Its a shame because it is a pretty good show with some good fights....having said that from time to time I would like to see an actual fight rather than an Irish fighter dominating someone nobodies ever heard of:rolleyes:

Exactly !! some quality proper fighters would be great .... but i suppose in fairness to the boxers its another fight on their records and a pay day

Big Ears

Grace-xxxxxxx wrote: »

Exactly !! some quality proper fighters would be great .... but i suppose in fairness to the boxers its another fight on their records and a pay day

If Peters put fighters in a 50/50 fight everytime he'd be killing his product pretty quickly and with that the interest in Irish boxing .

So instead he slowly brings fighters along till they meet their level and with this they build big followings and bank balances . From a promoters point of view he's doing the right thing .

Whether he should bring his fighters on that bit quicker is another question , but imo Brian Peters is fantastic at his job and Tómas Rohan is doing an excellant job as matchmaker .


One thing to their credit is that a lot of the mismatches are entertaining eg Dunne v Walstad , Duddy v Eastman was a good competitive fight , Haughian v Grassellini , Moffett v Heagney was a 50/50 battle between two Irishmen , and Katsimpas v Wawrzyczek was a 50/50 fight between two foreign fighters .Neil Sinclair v Francis Jones aswell .

I'm sure lots of 50/50 fights would be much more entertaining , but 50/50 fights kill of personalities and personalities are what people grow to and support .

Grace-xxxxxxx

Big Ears wrote: »

If Peters put fighters in a 50/50 fight everytime he'd be killing his product pretty quickly and with that the interest in Irish boxing .

So instead he slowly brings fighters along till they meet their level and with this they build big followings and bank balances . From a promoters point of view he's doing the right thing .

Whether he should bring his fighters on that bit quicker is another question , but imo Brian Peters is fantastic at his job and Tómas Rohan is doing an excellant job as matchmaker .


One thing to their credit is that a lot of the mismatches are entertaining eg Dunne v Walstad , Duddy v Eastman was a good competitive fight , Haughian v Grassellini , Moffett v Heagney was a 50/50 battle between two Irishmen , and Katsimpas v Wawrzyczek was a 50/50 fight between two foreign fighters .Neil Sinclair v Francis Jones aswell .

I'm sure lots of 50/50 fights would be much more entertaining , but 50/50 fights kill of personalities and personalities are what people grow to and support .

awwww don't get me wrong ... i understand why etc ..... to be honest i ain't that bothered ....i really like Brian Peters ....Ur 100% correct he is fantastic ....im just saying a guy we know of every now and again would be nice .... i understand its a long road..... im impatient !! lol

Anyways we don't have decent commentators to accommodate the better known boxers !:D

ODD-JOB

In fairness, you dont need a comentator to tell you what you're watching !
every commentator mixes in their own bias , whether they know it or not.

i watched mosley go to 11/1 to beat cotto going into the last round, all on the strength of brittish setanta commentry.

i was watching HBO , who had the fight evenly balanced . . . which was much more accurate reporting as the judges cards showed.

Jimmy mcgee is just entertainment ! and he is funny, the more silly things he says the better !!:)

Steve collin's was good, I loved when he called the dive of gomez against mc donagh.

imeddyhobbs

Jimmy the John Motson of RTE

I dont imagine he has much time left anyway,he must be in his mid 70's

"It looks like a one man show here, although there are two men involved"
John motson

Gang of Gin

Jimmy has become quite annoying, in terms of the innane ramblings, ie telling of some footballer's father who caught more than 15 fish with a hook and some thread on the banks of the shannon one Sunday morning, more notably over the last year or so. He's obviously pushing on but I'd say feels that he has a lot of clout as a pundit as feels it his right as he's put in so many years, and exercises this longevity as his right to be part of the bigger events. Clearly he's faltering when it comes to these occasions, for me in football, where his old-school, somewhat parochial commentary doesn't go down so well. It is nice, and well meaning nostalgic banter from time to time, but maybe it is time to pack it in, at least for the big occasion.

Latchy

when jimmie would be commentating on rte tv and it would go somthing like '' ah will ya look at the 3 seagulls in the air flying around the stadium '' while the oppisition would be battering the irish goalmouth .

Phillip greene was also like jimmy with his comentrys on boxing and football matches on tv and radio .They were hillarious at times .

Happy days

.

nacho libre

Jim Rock is the only one worth listening to on RTE'S coverage of boxing.
He doesn't engage in hyperbole like the others because it's irish fighters involved. He is impartial and gives a fair and mostly insightful assessement of the fighters based on what he sees- unlike the others who make out the opponents for the Irish lads' are world class fighters or have given world class fighters tough fights.

perhaps RTE feel they are on a to a winner with Jimmy Magee, as many people probably tune in just to see what he'll say next:)

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

If Peters put fighters in a 50/50 fight everytime he'd be killing his product pretty quickly and with that the interest in Irish boxing .

So instead he slowly brings fighters along till they meet their level and with this they build big followings and bank balances . From a promoters point of view he's doing the right thing .

Whether he should bring his fighters on that bit quicker is another question , but imo Brian Peters is fantastic at his job and Tómas Rohan is doing an excellant job as matchmaker .


One thing to their credit is that a lot of the mismatches are entertaining eg Dunne v Walstad , Duddy v Eastman was a good competitive fight , Haughian v Grassellini , Moffett v Heagney was a 50/50 battle between two Irishmen , and Katsimpas v Wawrzyczek was a 50/50 fight between two foreign fighters .Neil Sinclair v Francis Jones aswell .

I'm sure lots of 50/50 fights would be much more entertaining , but 50/50 fights kill of personalities and personalities are what people grow to and support .

He certainly is fanatstic at his job, if his job is to con people into thinking that he is staging top class boxing.......IMO, he's not really good for boxing and is bringing the standard down. The Dunne fiasco really showed us what Peter's is all about....

nacho libre

walshb wrote: »

He certainly is fanatstic at his job, if his job is to con people into thinking that he is staging top class boxing.......IMO, he's not really good for boxing and is bringing the standard down. The Dunne fiasco really showed us what Peter's is all about....

i can see your point but look at the coverage irish boxing is getting. who would have thought it a few year ago. any good promoter will handle fighters this way- you build a product and brandish it on peoples minds. it's frustrating for people like yourself but i think it's a worthwhile process for irish boxing and the talented boxers in this country in the end.

Grace-xxxxxxx

walshb wrote: »

He certainly is fantastic at his job, if his job is to con people into thinking that he is staging top class boxing.......IMO, he's not really good for boxing and is bringing the standard down. The Dunne fiasco really showed us what Peter's is all about....

I totally agree , he showed his true colours .....

But having said that its foolish for us to believe that he is an exceptional type of man that gives a damn about his boxers, and coning people is all part an parcel of this game

Do the fans who buy into this realise the reality behind it ??

In a lot of cases i believe not .....

But in fairness to him he fills stadiums and sells tickets ....so "Fantastic @ his job" would be about right

The other end of it doesn't really come into it unfortunately

yomchi

Was Collins axed over how he went on at the Gomez fight? I thought he was crazy that night heading off from his post to do an investigation! He was just passionate that night, I don't think he should have been axed over it - he was better than Rock is.

ODD-JOB

I think he wasnt recognised by some door-man , en route to the commentry box , and he turned him over after being refused entry.
dont really know.... somebody tell us

Big Ears

Jon wrote: »

Was Collins axed over how he went on at the Gomez fight? I thought he was crazy that night heading off from his post to do an investigation! He was just passionate that night, I don't think he should have been axed over it - he was better than Rock is.

One night on his way in to commentate he allegedly(and I stress this as I don't know what the legal situation is) hit a security guard who had refused to let him in as he didn't recognise him . Due to this RTE no longer employ him .

Walshb what exactly would you propose Peters do ? , what kind of fights should he make(examples would be the best way to show this) , after how long should he step fighters up etc .

For me he moves fighters at the perfect pace , now maybe you would say that's fine but don't move them at that pace and have them in front of cameras at early stages of their career in what are 'building fights' and pretend their competitive , which would be a fair point . But to sell a product it has to be well known , and familiarity with the product(fighter) is the only way to do that . So we end up seeing many learning fights for fighters , now if he acted like the opponent has no chance to win then a lot less people would watch , thus less exposure for his product and not only do less people watch boxing now but when that fighter is in a serious fight less people will watch too .

Those that go and see his promotions obviously enjoy them and most people(at least that I know) enjoy watching them on tv .
He has gotten regular boxing coverage on tv here in Ireland , had he not gone about it the way he did I doubt that would of happened(if the Dunne bubble burst earlier then we wouldn't have seen the Lee card last Saturday) .

As I said if you believe that there is a better way for him to do his job then I'd love to hear it, and I'm not being sarcastic here I genuinely would like to hear how you think things should be done .

Benazir Bhutto

well big ears, it basically goes like this:
If you got a great fighter on your cards , you wont worry about putting in against somebody half-decent. the better the competition , the bigger the purse. . . bigger crowd , better coverage, higher price of tickets etc.

if you got a average joe, you protect them for as long as you can, squeeze a financial return for as long as possible, .... before you got to resign them to fighting some quality opponent.

you'd hate to be warren's books wouldnt you,....... you wont get a decent match-up till your past your prime..... poor ol Joe Calzaghe could have been something great. now its far too late ,.... going to the big pay-day finally , first time in the states, against a 40-odd year old scalp ?

Manny stewert is probably ,..no definately going too quick with his programme, if he is keeping to the schedule posted.
Half the progress is made in your recovery period, a fight a month is no way to set out a break , and followed by a training programme designed to suit your oppont.
FATIGUE...... now thats a risk, some under-achieving journeyman with a fresh condition could destroy your grand-plan.


Tyson is not a comparable example in fairness . Tyson was 13 and a half stone when he was 12 years old... god threw all the genetic make-up his way,..... he was abnormal in an advantagious way, .. you could have brought him along 2wice as quick with the same results.

Big Ears

Benazir Bhutto wrote: »

well big ears, it basically goes like this:
If you got a great fighter on your cards , you wont worry about putting in against somebody half-decent. the better the competition , the bigger the purse. . . bigger crowd , better coverage, higher price of tickets etc.

if you got a average joe, you protect them for as long as you can, squeeze a financial return for as long as possible, .... before you got to resign them to fighting some quality opponent.

you'd hate to be warren's books wouldnt you,....... you wont get a decent match-up till your past your prime..... poor ol Joe Calzaghe could have been something great. now its far too late ,.... going to the big pay-day finally , first time in the states, against a 40-odd year old scalp ?

Manny stewert is probably ,..no definately going too quick with his programme, if he is keeping to the schedule posted.
Half the progress is made in your recovery period, a fight a month is no way to set out a break , and followed by a training programme designed to suit your oppont.
FATIGUE...... now thats a risk, some under-achieving journeyman with a fresh condition could destroy your grand-plan.


Tyson is not a comparable example in fairness . Tyson was 13 and a half stone when he was 12 years old... god threw all the genetic make-up his way,..... he was abnormal in an advantagious way, .. you could have brought him along 2wice as quick with the same results.

That is true , if you have an established prime great fighter on your hands you won't worry about putting these guys in with a real quality opponent , only none of them are established fighters in their prime , they are all prospects .

This is not HBO where the cream of the crop fight once a month , this is domestic Irish boxing which has only started recently and as such most of the fighters being televised are prospects who are not the finished article . Fighters who need learning fights before they can take on great fighters .

Now fights like Duddy v Prince Arron.........fights like that are extremely wrong but then again to be fair Arron was a replacement at 3 days notice and not the former World title challenger Duddy was meant to have been fighting .

I don't mind people making points like 'that guy X fought wasn't any good , he should of been fighting someone much better' once an example is given , because it's very easy to just suggest everyone should be fighting someone better without thinking of an actual opponent and what that would do in the devopment of a fighters career .

Frank Warren is very different to Brian Peters , Warren doesn't bring fighters on at the right pace he holds them back in a way that they are usually past their best by the time they take on a real challenge . Peters is going quite quickly with guys like McCloskey so he has shown that it's not just about protecting his fighters like Warren does but moving them at the right pace(for each one) .

Andy Lee is a 6'2 middleweight with a huge reach , that's pretty abnormal in a genetically advantageous way .

Lee had a very hectic schedule last year too and coped with it fine , the only difference now is the opposition is much greater . Manny also has him wisely taking a long break after(if it goes ahead) the Wright fight , before facing Pavlik .

pacman murphy

Magee is most deffo a "shot" commentator but who are RTE gonna replace him with.

Benazir Bhutto

Big Ears wrote: »

Manny also has him wisely taking a long break after(if it goes ahead) the Wright fight , before facing Pavlik .

Far too late IMO. Winky is top 10 p4p fighter.

joepenguin

Jimmy Magee is a legend!!!!!

Running Bing

Big Ears wrote: »

One night on his way in to commentate he allegedly(and I stress this as I don't know what the legal situation is) hit a security guard who had refused to let him in as he didn't recognise him . Due to this RTE no longer employ him .

Walshb what exactly would you propose Peters do ? , what kind of fights should he make(examples would be the best way to show this) , after how long should he step fighters up etc .

For me he moves fighters at the perfect pace , now maybe you would say that's fine but don't move them at that pace and have them in front of cameras at early stages of their career in what are 'building fights' and pretend their competitive , which would be a fair point . But to sell a product it has to be well known , and familiarity with the product(fighter) is the only way to do that . So we end up seeing many learning fights for fighters , now if he acted like the opponent has no chance to win then a lot less people would watch , thus less exposure for his product and not only do less people watch boxing now but when that fighter is in a serious fight less people will watch too .

Those that go and see his promotions obviously enjoy them and most people(at least that I know) enjoy watching them on tv .
He has gotten regular boxing coverage on tv here in Ireland , had he not gone about it the way he did I doubt that would of happened(if the Dunne bubble burst earlier then we wouldn't have seen the Lee card last Saturday) .

As I said if you believe that there is a better way for him to do his job then I'd love to hear it, and I'm not being sarcastic here I genuinely would like to hear how you think things should be done .

Lot of sensible stuff in there Big Ears but my biggest qualm is the amount of money it costs to go and see these one sided fights.

I understand he is building his product but If a father wants to take his two sons to see Andy Lee or Bernard Dunee fighting it costs an extortionate amount of money for what is practically an exhibition fight.

I think on the balance he has been good for Irish boxing and its nice to see the wider public taking an interest....but if your more interetsed in quality boxing over built up "superstars" I think it is very bad value for money.

Big Ears

Babybing wrote: »

Lot of sensible stuff in there Big Ears but my biggest qualm is the amount of money it costs to go and see these one sided fights.

I understand he is building his product but If a father wants to take his two sons to see Andy Lee or Bernard Dunee fighting it costs an extortionate amount of money for what is practically an exhibition fight.

I think on the balance he has been good for Irish boxing and its nice to see the wider public taking an interest....but if your more interetsed in quality boxing over built up "superstars" I think it is very bad value for money.

You're right it is very expensive , but Peters knows there will be enough people willing to pay the money to fill the arena.......I'm not saying that's right but it is what any business or business-man would do in the situation .
A lot of people in Ireland today earn vast sums of money and have plenty of disposable income , sure there is many of us that don't but there is enough people that do to drive the prices up of anything that can be considered 'entertainment' .

It's unfortunate but how life is .

jayroyal

Babybing wrote: »

Lot of sensible stuff in there Big Ears but my biggest qualm is the amount of money it costs to go and see these one sided fights.

I understand he is building his product but If a father wants to take his two sons to see Andy Lee or Bernard Dunee fighting it costs an extortionate amount of money for what is practically an exhibition fight.

I think on the balance he has been good for Irish boxing and its nice to see the wider public taking an interest....but if your more interetsed in quality boxing over built up "superstars" I think it is very bad value for money.

I'd rather pay money to watch a PETERS BOXING SHOW than watch ireland draw with cyprus don't ya think (LETS HOPE IT CHANGES NOW THOUGH:D) at least andy and the boys put on a show.