The Garthee

dresden8

Why do newsreaders when they're trying to sound posh say "Garthee"?

It's pronounced "Gardee" with a "d" you stuck up tossers!

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

I have never noticed that.

Jesus Wept

I've noticed it, Sharon does it, it's annoying.

Bob in Belfast

The-Rigger wrote: »

I've noticed it, Sharon does it, it's annoying.

I'd let Sharon eat biscuits in bed and it wouldn't annoy me.

WindSock

It's the irish way of saying it, is it not?

Rb

WindSock wrote: »

It's the irish way of saying it, is it not?

That was my thinking on it anyway.

Have to say it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

robz150

Its the "Goouurdee" on TV3

fuzzywiggle

robz150 wrote: »

Its the "Goouurdee" on TV3

Yeah I hear this way more often. So annoying

Dord

robz150 wrote: »

Its the "Goouurdee" on TV3

I fuppin' hate that! :mad:

jdivision

Sometimes it's a style thing as in it's official policy to pronounce it a certain way. However that still doesn't explain Paul Reynolds TBH

tolosenc

Gardaí:
Gar pronounced like "car", daí ponounced like "tea".

EDIT: pronounce the first consonants as g and d respectively.

Fremen

I think it sounds right actually.
If you remember back to secondary school, you'll find that the Irish word "gadaí" was pronounced with the same "th" sound- it sounds more like "god-thee" than "god-ee"

Same thing with the d sound in "fada".

dresden8

Fremen wrote: »

I think it sounds right actually.
If you remember back to secondary school, you'll find that the Irish word "gadaí" was pronounced with the same "th" sound- it sounds more like "god-thee" than "god-ee"

Same thing with the d sound in "fada".

You lie!

Now that I think of it that "fatha" sounds like Tony Curtis "Yonda lies the castle of my fotha!". I'm not from Brooklyn and neither is Sharon.

I'd kick her out of the bed if she was eating my crisps. After I'd done her of course.

me2gud4u

i'm a gaeilgeoir and they are right when they say "garthee". the last three letters are pronouced as "thee" it's actually only the first three letters which have two variations normally as in ""gor" or a more broad sounding "garr" depends on when you're from!

longshanks

how about when the same diickhead newsreaders pronounce taoiseach or tanaiste with a th sound? the t sound is supposed to be a harsh t sound, not the th sound preferred by pricks who think sounding english gives you class

Fremen

longshanks wrote: »

how about when the same diickhead newsreaders pronounce taoiseach or tanaiste with a th sound? the t sound is supposed to be a harsh t sound, not the th sound preferred by pricks who think sounding english gives you class

Maybe they're bilingual, and are switching between the two languages in the same sentence. Or something.

I've heard english news channels often employ Irish and Scottish newscasters because it's more difficult to tell whether they're middle or working class, and that allows a more general audience.

AlmightyCushion

longshanks wrote: »

how about when the same diickhead newsreaders pronounce taoiseach or tanaiste with a th sound? the t sound is supposed to be a harsh t sound, not the th sound preferred by pricks who think sounding english gives you class

Surely if they wanted to sound English they'd just speak with an English accent.

FlutterinBantam

longshanks wrote: »

how about when the same diickhead newsreaders pronounce taoiseach or tanaiste with a th sound? the t sound is supposed to be a harsh t sound, not the th sound preferred by pricks who think sounding english gives you class

I would beg to disagree there.

Thaoiseach and thainaiste are correct pronunciations in my opinion.

You are superimposing English grammar rules to irish words.

What would you call it TEESOCK.?

Note no "H" after the s .

Different languages ,while using the same letters , have totally different pronunciation, people can't seem to get their heads around this.

~Thalia~

Even worse. The add on the radio for the new series of "LAWST", not just plain old Lost.

Also the traffic correspondents on the radio, what's a 'rindabout'?

Hagar

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Thaoiseach and thainaiste are correct pronunciations in my opinion.

I don't agree. The Irish in general don't pronounce "th" a lot of the time and I believe this is a legacy from speaking Irish where the "th" sound is totally different. Take tháinig for instance, pronounced with an aspirated t as hawnig.
Therefore pronouncing Taoíseach as Thaoíseach is just an affected anglicisation and totally incorrect in my view.

DublinWriter

I love the way Micheal Murphy (the newsreader) says "Guwardi".

FlutterinBantam

Hagar wrote: »

I don't agree. The Irish in general don't pronounce "th" a lot of the time and I believe this is a legacy from speaking Irish where the "th" sound is totally different. Take tháinig for instance, pronounced with an aspirated t as hawnig.
Therefore pronouncing Taoíseach as Thaoíseach is just an affected anglicisation and totally incorrect in my view.

We will have to disagree then.

The 'h' in tháinig is in fact a bhuilte, as in irish, it would be written with a dot over the 't'.and as such 'h 'denotes that in English idiom.

saying that "Thaoiseach" is an Anglicisation is totally off the wall as far as I am concerned.

Any gaeilgóiri out there to help us out:D:D

Hagar

When I went school as a young child I used write Irish in the old Irish script and English in the Roman alphabet so I am probably more familiar with the concept of buailte, meaning struck, leading to a softened / aspirated letter, than many around here. Yes I am that old.:D

If anyone is interested in the old script Google for "Twomey Font". It's free to download. He also added the letters jkqvwxyz which don't exist in Irish for convenience.

phasers

female newsreaders are collectively a bunch of over tanned bints with faux-D4 accents

"Gorthee siezed eover one million eureos morth of cocaine in Clondawkin"

galwayrush

It dosen't sound posh to me, sounds stupid.:rolleyes:

faceman

dresden8 wrote: »

Why do newsreaders when they're trying to sound posh say "Garthee"?

It's pronounced "Gardee" with a "d" you stuck up tossers!

you watch the news???

dresden8

Yeah it helps me get angry and blow off some steam. Beside I have to check out Sharon's hair every day.

Catari Jaguar

I used to get really pissed off at the ad for Aquafresh and the Coco Pops one.

"Tiny babbless on your tangue. Aquafrasssh."

"Kalloggs Coco Popss, you learn samthing new avary daay."

It's just horrible, that 'ngA nga ngA' sound when they open their mouths and the stylised lisp. Die.

tolosenc

I'm a gaeilgeoir, le Gaeilge líofa, and I agree with Hagar. There is no [ð] in Gaeilge. Irish people are said to be unable to pronounce said sound, stemming from its absence in our native tongue. Possibly, FlutterinBantam, you speak with a dentalised [d], which is the sound in the Irish word, which to speakers with that impediment is exactly the same as [ð].

Also, on the topic of horrific pronounciation, wtf is with Rachel Allen's accent?

spurious

The 'T' in Tánaiste and Taoiseach is a palatised 'T'. **edit - bowing to obl's better knowledge, a dentalised sound.**

Is is a different sound altogether from 't' as in 'tent' or 'th' as in 'thinking'. It is not a sound found in English.
Irish people tend to say the 'th' sound of English as a palatised 't' as it requires less effort. This to a non-Irish person SOUNDS like we are saying 'tinking', but we're not.

There is also a palatised 'd' - the 'd' of 'Dún' - it sounds to non-Irish as if we are saying 'd' as in 'dark'.

Dey tink we sound funny and make us say 'tirty tree and a turd'. But we know better.;)

tolosenc

It's a dental plosive in Irish, but in English this sound doesn't exist. So it is realised by English speaking monoglots as an alveolar plosive or a dental fricative, sounds thar don't exist in Irish.

Wait a second, I am awake during Phonetics lectures...

FlutterinBantam

obl wrote: »

It's a dental plosive in Irish, but in English this sound doesn't exist. So it is realised by English speaking monoglots as an alveolar plosive or a dental fricative, sounds thar don't exist in Irish.

Wait a second, I am awake during Phonetics lectures...

Exactly!! tongue goes to the back of the front teeth,whereas in English it does not
A thick "T" as opposed to a thin one....:D:D

tolosenc

Yes, but not the /th/ you said it was.

FlutterinBantam

Never said it was "th" but just used "th" to try to phonetically describe the sound.

Anaway ,as the Tuam man might say, you seem to know a good deal more than me so I'll not argue.

Not in my nature to argue:D

faceman

did someone text ray d'arcy this morning about this thread?

Stephen

I hate the way they pronounce Portaloise. Who the hell pronounces the e at the end outside of RTÉ?

FlutterinBantam

Nobody....but they use the correct pronunciation.

As someone who is learning Irish, it's a bit off putting to hear words pronounced in several different ways.

But then again so few Irish words are actually used this way it's not such a big issue. Watching TG4 usually clears up any misheard pronounciations.

cock robin

robz150 wrote: »

Its the "Goouurdee" on TV3

Your bang on there robz150 especially when Grainne Seoige was a presenter. I could forgive her lots of things. But can you imagine lying there beside her basking in the warm after glow of a good old fashioned leathering,when suddenly Grainne say's i think I heard something down stairs.You better call the Gourdee. I'd be putting me trollies on so fast and abandoning her to whatever fate awaits her. The SNOBBY STUCK UP COW. It's GAR as in CAR & DAI as in dee. Or just help I'm being attacked.

faceman

cock robin wrote: »

Your bang on there robz150 especially when Grainne Seoige was a presenter. I could forgive her lots of things. But can you imagine lying there beside her basking in the warm after glow of a good old fashioned leathering,when suddenly Grainne say's i think I heard something down stairs.You better call the Gourdee. I'd be putting me trollies on so fast and abandoning her to whatever fate awaits her. The SNOBBY STUCK UP COW. It's GAR as in CAR & DAI as in dee. Or just help I'm being attacked.

im sure she'll be heart broken after reading this!

r3nu4l

Deleted User wrote: »

As someone who is learning Irish, it's a bit off putting to hear words pronounced in several different ways.

Isn't that mostly to do with the differing 'dialects'. Munster Irish versus Ulster Irish, mar shampla?

EDIT: Holy crapmobile Batman, a vaguely educational thread in AH??? This is the Jokers doing!

r3nu4l

r3nu4l wrote: »

EDIT: Holy crapmobile Batman, a vaguely educational thread in AH??? This is the Jokers doing!

"Careful now!" "down with that sort of thing!"