Global Warming Pissing Me Off

RandolphEsq

I'm sick to death of all the hype and the measures being taken to slowdown the onset of global warming.
Firstly; I do not care whatsoever about global warming even if it were true.
Secondly; I can't believe it's as bad as it is being made out to be.
Thirdly; Energy conservation is now intertwined with global warming. Bollox that, they are 2 different causes

jimmycrackcorm

I could do with some global warming as I just got my gas bill. I can't wait until the summer to use my patio heater and help get the world a little bit warmer.

Naos

*pats your back*

There a question to your rant?

Terry

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I could do with some global warming as I just got my gas bill. I can't wait until the summer to use my patio heater and help get the world a little bit warmer.

I don't care.

RandolphEsq

No question. I'm just sick of it and need to vent that in some avenue rather then drink it down deep inside

maxitwist

so, you dont believe in global warming.........
do you also think that god made the shotgun to kill the homosexuals?

rainbowtrout

there may be global warming in other parts of the world but it's not happening here

*looks out window*

...yep still snowing

don't think i've seen sunshine in this part of the country since June

RandolphEsq

'' so, you dont believe in global warming.........
do you also think that god made the shotgun to kill the homosexuals?''

I don't not believe in it but I believe it is exaggerated. The government and the EU are trying to tell us how to live our lives (which, in moderation, is what we need) and with this global warming hype they have crossed the line of what is acceptable interference and regulating of people's lives

humanji

maxitwist wrote: »

so, you dont believe in global warming.........
do you also think that god made the shotgun to kill the homosexuals?

That is the most idiotic thing I ever heard. God create the shotgun in case of a zombie plague!

PeakOutput

BrightEyes wrote: »

The government and the EU are trying to tell us how to live our lives (which, in moderation, is what we need) and with this global warming hype they have crossed the line of what is acceptable interference and regulating of people's lives

in what way are they regulating our lives exactly? i havnt been stopped doing anything i want to do that i can think of please tell me if you have.

global warming is fact. co2 emissions ****ing stuff up is fact. reliance on fossil fuels is going to completely **** us up if we dont change.

what im not convinced of is that we are the main cause of global warming we are the main cause of the other two as far as i can tell and luckily fixing the other two in theory will fix global warming so whats the problem?

also i think the fact you dont care either way is preventing you from having an informed opinion on the subject which is fine until you try and have a rant about the same thing you dont know anything about and have no interest in learning about

dsmythy

humanji wrote: »

That is the most idiotic thing I ever heard. God create the shotgun in case of a zombie plague!

I thought it was made to rob bookies.

Plan_D

maxitwist wrote: »

so, you dont believe in global warming.........
do you also think that god made the shotgun to kill the homosexuals?

I think that was God made AIDS.

Well done on being a &*&^ $%£$ ^&.

Yakult

maxitwist wrote: »

do you also think that god made the shotgun to kill the homosexuals?

last time i checked it was human kind which created the shotgun.;)

Pherekydes

In before lock (stock and two smoking barrels)

RandolphEsq

PeakOutput wrote: »

in what way are they regulating our lives exactly? i havnt been stopped doing anything i want to do that i can think of please tell me if you have.

global warming is fact. co2 emissions ****ing stuff up is fact. reliance on fossil fuels is going to completely **** us up if we dont change.

what im not convinced of is that we are the main cause of global warming we are the main cause of the other two as far as i can tell and luckily fixing the other two in theory will fix global warming so whats the problem?

also i think the fact you dont care either way is preventing you from having an informed opinion on the subject which is fine until you try and have a rant about the same thing you dont know anything about and have no interest in learning about

Yes

Agamemnon

I wish global warming would hurry up and get started in Ireland because it's ****ing freezing right now. I really picked the wrong day to go to work commando. My balls still haven't thawed out.

dresden8

God invented Global Warming so that poor people could be taken out of their cars and shot. Or at least stopped from taking long-haul flights or driving into city centres. Only rich people with their unlimited income can pay the green taxes and yet still kill the planet. Everything is good in the world.

Hurrah for the rich!

GhostInTheRuins

R_H_C_P wrote: »

last time i checked it was human kind which created the shotgun.;)

Yeah, I invented the shotgun.

Senna

'Global Warming' could be complete sh*te. But any attempt to stop people pumping toxic chemicals into the air cant be such a bad thing, its not like it good for ya.

randylonghorn

rainbowtrout wrote: »

don't think i've seen sunshine in this part of the country since June

Which might just suggest that "climate change" is a more useful term in this context than "global warming" ...

maxitwist

onw of the effects of global warming is that ireland will get colder, because the gulf stream gets shut off.

it snowed for the first time here in the 1st of feburary, isin't it spring now? tell the snow it was supposed to come in winter

dresden8

It never snowed in winter. Spring and Summer have always been our crappiest seasons. Ironically enough, apart from 1976 and 1984.

Jesus Wept

Global warming isn't working.
:mad: I'm fúcking cold. :mad:
They promised us warmth.

utick

its not global warming anymore, now its called climate change, so they can cover themselves anytime the climate is not exactly normal, but to be honest there never has been a normal climate it has always changed

tech77

This thread reminds me of the South Park episode that was on last night.
The one with all the smug hybrid car drivers creating all the smug.
OP could have a point

cournioni

Senna wrote: »

'Global Warming' could be complete sh*te. But any attempt to stop people pumping toxic chemicals into the air cant be such a bad thing, its not like it good for ya.

Stop farting then.

layke

PeakOutput wrote: »

in what way are they regulating our lives exactly? i havnt been stopped doing anything i want to do that i can think of please tell me if you have.

global warming is fact. co2 emissions ****ing stuff up is fact. reliance on fossil fuels is going to completely **** us up if we dont change.

Say that to Taxy McTax Gormly. Fskng greens screwing up my max engine size. /Shakes fist.

Secondly, it's not a fact it's a theory some have evidence against it some have evidence for it. Personally I'm not sold at all. We haven't spewed out enough of these emissions comparing to what one decent sized volcano can do in 15 minutes. Thinking that we are the cause imo is saying that we are much bigger then we actually are.

what im not convinced of is that we are the main cause of global warming we are the main cause of the other two as far as i can tell and luckily fixing the other two in theory will fix global warming so whats the problem?

Would agree there, at the very most we have possibly may have sped up a natural process. But I still remain skeptical.

rainbowtrout

layke wrote: »

We haven't spewed out enough of these emissions comparing to what one decent sized volcano can do in 15 minutes.

volcanoes don't exactly have control over their emissions

layke

That's not the point. The point is they have spewed much more crap into the atmosphere then we ever have without any significant change. Think of historical Volcanoes over the centuries.

Wertz

Volcanoes have a much more notable cooling effect than a warming effect, in the event of one single eruption event. Otherwise, continuous gas emissions by active or semi-dormant volcanoes is already a constant factor in our climate.

The fact remains that in the last 200 or so years we have unlocked vast stores of fixed carbon laid down over millions of years by organic activity. At the same time we are diminshing our planets coping mechanisms for re-fixing that carbon (deforestation, polluting seas)...burning the candle at both ends.
There are probably many more factors to the warming trend and perhaps a lot of them are outside our control. Termites are the sigle biggest producer of methane, a far more potent greenhouse gas...even if we truned off all our power sources tomorrow, termites would continue to pump it out. But like the volcnoes above, that's all part of a balanced system...our huge addition over a very short time frame (relatively speaking) could be enough to tilt the balance and throw systems that have taken billions of years to balance themselves into upheaval, simply because none of those systems have time to react and balance the changes.

I don't care that the OP doesn't care or believe in GW/CC.
I don't care about it myself, since it's to late to reaistically do anyhting to stop it. If I had kids I might care. If I owned seafront or low lying property I might care.
Just because I don't care, doesn't mean I don't do what I can to keep my personal impact to a minimum.
...and just because I don't care, doesn't mean it isn't happening or that I can really do a damn thing about it either way.

Pherekydes

dresden8 wrote: »

It never snowed in winter.

What are you spouting about? What about 8 January 1982?

FunkZ

This is the first I've heard of it in months man, thanks for reminding me...

Pepe LeFrits

layke wrote: »

Secondly, it's not a fact it's a theory some have evidence against it some have evidence for it. Personally I'm not sold at all.

The concensus amongst the climate community is that it is occuring; most disagreements are concerned with the rate and magnitude of it.

We haven't spewed out enough of these emissions comparing to what one decent sized volcano can do in 15 minutes. Thinking that we are the cause imo is saying that we are much bigger then we actually are.

Funny, there was an article on the beeb yesterday which had a doctor of geology explicitly stating that we emit considerably more CO2 emissions than volcanoes do.

Wertz wrote: »

There are probably many more factors to the warming trend and perhaps a lot of them are outside our control. Termites are the sigle biggest producer of methane, a far more potent greenhouse gas...even if we truned off all our power sources tomorrow, termites would continue to pump it out. But like the volcnoes above, that's all part of a balanced system...our huge addition over a very short time frame (relatively speaking) could be enough to tilt the balance and throw systems that have taken billions of years to balance themselves into upheaval, simply because none of those systems have time to react and balance the changes.

I don't disagree, but I don't think it is accurate to describe it as a 'balanced' system. There seems to be a general conception that plants, insects, animals etc are somehow 'natural' and working in unison to maintain our climate, while humans are 'unnatural' and destabilising it. Our climate is unstable, with or without our input; we're changing the climate in a negative way from our point of view, but the climate is always going to change anyway.

Wertz

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

I don't disagree, but I don't think it is accurate to describe it as a 'balanced' system. There seems to be a general conception that plants, insects, animals etc are somehow 'natural' and working in unison to maintain our climate, while humans are 'unnatural' and destabilising it. Our climate is unstable, with or without our input; we're changing the climate in a negative way from our point of view, but the climate is always going to change anyway.

Okay, maybe more of a precipitous balance and one that is always transitional.
I'm a big subscriber to the Gaian theory, and man, well, pre-industrial revolution man is indeed part of that balancing system.
It's the technology and need for power from carbon burning that's evolved so rapidly, combined with the effect that that has had on our ability to populate and consume more inacessible parts of the planet and in more extremes of heat/cold, that has ultimately pushed us out of the realm of "natural".
Our global climate isn't so much unstable, as just a chaotic system, balanced by many opposing factors...adjust or remove any or many of those factors and the chaos makes itself felt. In the grand scheme of things, it's not going to affect life (ie, all life, not just human life) and in fact in certain cases some systems and lifeforms are currently adapting well to the % rise in CO2 that we've seen in the last couple of centuries...but if you believe what scientists all over the place are saying, about rising acidity of sea water, or the changing mechanics of low level cloud formation at the tropics, amonst a myraid of other observed changes, life in general has an awful lot of catching up to do. Polar bear may be a case in point, albeit an obvious one.

fits

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

I don't disagree, but I don't think it is accurate to describe it as a 'balanced' system.

I think a system of 'dynamic equilibrium' is probably the best way to look at it.

Wertz wrote: »

I'm a big subscriber to the Gaian theory

Me too.

It's the technology and need for power from carbon burning that's evolved so rapidly, combined with the effect that that has had on our ability to populate and consume more inacessible parts of the planet and in more extremes of heat/cold, that has ultimately pushed us out of the realm of "natural".
Our global climate isn't so much unstable, as just a chaotic system, balanced by many opposing factors...adjust or remove any or many of those factors and the chaos makes itself felt. In the grand scheme of things, it's not going to affect life (ie, all life, not just human life) and in fact in certain cases some systems and lifeforms are currently adapting well to the % rise in CO2 that we've seen in the last couple of centuries...but if you believe what scientists all over the place are saying, about rising acidity of sea water, or the changing mechanics of low level cloud formation at the tropics, life in general has an awful lot of catching up to do. Polar bear may be a case in point, albeit an obvious one.

Good post. I have to say though that I believe everyone really needs to be making a serious effort to reduce carbon emissions. Every single person. I know it feels pointless when you look at the development of China and India, but there is definitely a collective responsibility here. A world where the mean temperature could potentially rise by 6C will have catastrophic implications for civilisation and human life (and its pretty definite at the moment that it will rise by 3C). I think that in their aim to get a global consensus on the matter, the IPCC are very much understating the potential risks and impacts over the next 100 years.

The reason why I have modified my behaviour in the last couple of years (although I will be the first to admit that I dont go nearly far enough) is because we really need to prevent this catastrophic rise in mean temperature (6C)... and limit it instead to a pretty serious one (3C), until we figure out how the hell to make our emissions carbon negative.

antodeco

I blame Al queda

ejmaztec

It's all these heated discussions screwing up the environment!

Fanny Cradock

layke wrote: »

Secondly, it's not a fact it's a theory some have evidence against it some have evidence for it. Personally I'm not sold at all. We haven't spewed out enough of these emissions comparing to what one decent sized volcano can do in 15 minutes. Thinking that we are the cause imo is saying that we are much bigger then we actually are.

You should look up what the use of the term 'theory' actually means in relation to scientific theory. A scientific theory is constructed around empirical observation and experimentation. It's not to be confused with the every day 'I have a theory' usage which is often based on conjecture or a 'funny feeling'.

Currently the scientific community supports the idea of global warming. Why? Are you ready? Well, global temperatures are rising - hence the 'Global Warming' bit. This observation isn't in question. What is in question is the cause. Now, if your exhaustive research has shown something that the IPCC and the likes don't know, you best get yourself to one of their expert meetings.

utick

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

You should look up what the use of the term 'theory' actually means in relation to scientific theory. A scientific theory is constructed around empirical observation and experimentation. It's not to be confused with the every day 'I have a theory' usage which is often based on conjecture or a 'funny feeling'.

Currently the scientific community supports the idea of global warming. Why? Are you ready? Well, global temperatures are rising - hence the 'Global Warming' bit. This observation isn't in question. What is in question is the cause. Now, if your exhaustive research has shown something that the IPCC and the likes don't know, you best get yourself to one of their expert meetings.

have you read the ipcc report? it seems they are not convinced of mans doing in climate change it is full of phrases such as 'more likely than not' not exactly a convincing report imo.

Unpossible

I prefer to refer to it as:

NONE LIKE IT HOT

fits

utick wrote: »

have you read the ipcc report? it seems they are not convinced of mans doing in climate change it is full of phrases such as 'more likely than not' not exactly a convincing report imo.

Have you?:D

Actually in the IPCC Report, they say theres a 'high degree of certainty' that climate change is anthropogenically caused. They even define their different levels of certainty... high certainty meaning greater than 90% certain.

thats the gist of it anyway.. www.ipcc.ch if you want to read it.

Blackpitts

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2003/nov/13/comment.research
The Global warming will make this country rainier and colder if the Gulf stream will stop. Remember last summer? it was the worst in the last 150 year. The part of the world which is going to be warmer is the one across the equator line. Don't expect any nice sunny day or carabbean beaches in Howth, it's your attitude that will make this worse than it is.

fits

Blackpitts wrote: »

The Global warming will make this country rainier and colder if the Gulf stream will stop.

At the moment, they think it will give us mild wet winters and dry summers. The latest thinking suggests that the gulf stream will slow down gradually, rather than switch off suddenly and seems to be less of a concern recently.

zuutroy

I think anthropogenic effects are ridiculously overstated, and LOL at anyone who suggests they have even the slightest clue as to what the local effects of climate change will be.

Fanny Cradock

utick wrote: »

have you read the ipcc report? it seems they are not convinced of mans doing in climate change it is full of phrases such as 'more likely than not' not exactly a convincing report imo.

I have read some of it. Those terms that you mention have statistical significance. Again, there is a marked difference between the common use of terms like 'high confidence' and 'very high confidence', which are non-specific, and the scientific meaning which has defined values. For instance, I believe that the IPCC defines the term 'likely' as having a 66% confidence level and 'very likely' is defined as having 90% confidence level.

dceire

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I could do with some global warming as I just got my gas bill. I can't wait until the summer to use my patio heater and help get the world a little bit warmer.

if you dont want to pay for your gas now, whats going to change in the summer! what do you run your patio heater on...love & hope?