3T limit for Lucan village

Clytus

I wonder would it be practicle to impose a 3 tonne limit for trucks entering Lucan Village and the strawberry beds??

Imo the village is too small to accommodate all the artics that seem to find thier routes take them via Lucan.

As far as the strawberry beds go,although not very often,theres been times where Iv found myself being forced as far onto the grass verge as I could possibly go in order to save my wing mirrors from artics that try navigating the beds.

Victor

Talk to your local council officials / councillors.

Is the risk though that the trucks just get replaced with more cars?

murphaph

The basic problem is the shortage of upstream river crossings on the Liffey. There's only ONE toll free river crossing entirely in county Dublin! Lucan.

jimmycrackcorm

I thought the 3T limit was reserved for bridges that aren't built to support the weight.

HydeRoad

There are industrial units down by the river that are served by heavy lorries. You cannot simply 'ban' them. Other than that, there is no logical reason for heavy lorries to use Lucan village - in fact there is every reason for them to avoid it, due to the regular congestion.

I drive the Strawberry Beds, regularly, for years. I have NEVER met an artic on that road. Not saying they don't use it, I'm just saying they are rare enough for it to be of little or no consequence.

If you are unlucky enough to meet an artic on such a road, I hope you would have the foresight to read the road ahead, be aware of his presence, and give him as much room and respect as possible. He is surely there for a good reason.

I hope you wouldn't treat him the same way you treat bus drivers on the N4. You might meet an odd idiot, but most of these are genuine working guys, trying to get out of your way as quickly as possible. Show them a bit of courtesy, and help them out where possible.

Victor

HydeRoad wrote: »

There are industrial units down by the river that are served by heavy lorries. You cannot simply 'ban' them.

Lots of residential areas have 3t limits. However, the limit doesn't apply for access or scheduled bus routes.

seamus

I think the issue is that you can't force commercial vehicles to take the toll bridge over the M50. As pointed out, the Lucan route is the only viable alternative to the toll bridge for crossing the liffey between SW and NW Dublin.

Victor

seamus wrote: »

I think the issue is that you can't force commercial vehicles to take the toll bridge over the M50.

Bear with me, but why not?

seamus

Victor wrote: »

Bear with me, but why not?

Because then they'd have to pay to use it without having an alternative. The rationale behind the toll being that you're paying to use and maintain the convenience of the bridge. If you don't want to pay, you can use the alternative. If there was no alternative, the bridge would have to be free because the government/council have a mandate to provide roads. Simple economics really.

Victor

So should the ferry across Waterford Habour be free, because there is no alternative.

Niall1234

Victor wrote: »

So should the ferry across Waterford Habour be free, because there is no alternative.

There was no alternative to that in the first place.


In the Lucan case, you would be actively withdrawing an alternative route.

Victor

Niall1234 wrote: »

There was no alternative to that in the first place.

Bring your own boat.

In the Lucan case, you would be actively withdrawing an alternative route.

Merely restricting it. You can still go via Dunboyne.


/feels like I'm trolling my own board. I'm playing deveil's advocate, not trolling.

Del2005

Victor wrote: »

Bear with me, but why not?

Victor wrote: »

Bring your own boat.
Merely restricting it. You can still go via Dunboyne.


/feels like I'm trolling my own board. I'm playing deveil's advocate, not trolling.

Is the M50 not in enough of a mess to be forcing more HGV's to use it? If they where forced by Dunboyne would they ban trucks also? Also with all the green issues now is it not silly to be forcing HGV's over longer distances then necessary?

lord lucan

one of the local councellors(derek keating i think) is proposing this,there was an article in the lucan gazette recently on it,unfortunately it's not online so i can't link it. it was in conjunction with building another liffey crossing but the 3T limit would be an immediate measure to help free up the village. to be honest,3T limits are rarely enforced. a new 3T limit was added to the road at the top of my estate(st. lomans road) but still i see artics using it as a rat run to avoid the N4,not sure why as the traffic through the estates is as chronic.

seamus

Victor wrote: »

So should the ferry across Waterford Habour be free, because there is no alternative.

I would imagine that the harbour crossing is the convenient route? There is probably a viable, though longer and most importantly free, route around the harbour? If they banned trucks from driving around the harbour would you continue to force them to pay for the boat?

Dunboyne is far from a viable alternative. It's about compromise - for the sake of the peace of some residents, you can't do serious damage to commercial interests.

I would be in support of a timed restriction, i.e. HGVs can only use the route 10am to 4pm, Monday to Friday only. That maintains the free alternative route but minimises the impact on residents and peak traffic.

Clytus

The reason Im raising the 3T limit idea for Lucan is for a couple of reasons. the frst is when HGVs try turning right off the roundabout at the top of the liffey crossing heading to the village. The painted roundabout is pretty small and regularly youll find cars stopping on the roundabout....this forces HGVs to stop because they cant get all the way around the roundabout without part of the vehicle crossing over the centre of the roundabout. Second is that the along with the 239 bus,alot of school coaches use this route and when a HGV meets an oncomming HGV in certain areas it can cause chaos...Newcastle RD at the lights beside Courtneys Pub is a prime example.

As regards Mill Bank industrial area....the majority of businesses down there would have no use for HGVs...so thats no argument.Id say theres 1 company whod have use for artics.

In the Lucan case, you would be actively withdrawing an alternative route

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Dublin City Council were guilty of that when they brought in the 5 axel ban,but business still carried on.

Also with all the green issues now is it not silly to be forcing HGV's over longer distances then necessary?

Trucks stopping and starting again and again will use far more fuel than a truck getting onto the motorway. I was talking to a truckie the other day who told me his 07 tractor unit gives him about 7 MPG whilst driving in Dublin...but that goes up to about 12 on the motorways....and they get extra if they can reach fuel targets.

Del2005

Clytus wrote: »

The reason Im raising the 3T limit idea for Lucan is for a couple of reasons. the frst is when HGVs try turning right off the roundabout at the top of the liffey crossing heading to the village. The painted roundabout is pretty small and regularly youll find cars stopping on the roundabout....this forces HGVs to stop because they cant get all the way around the roundabout without part of the vehicle crossing over the centre of the roundabout. Second is that the along with the 239 bus,alot of school coaches use this route and when a HGV meets an oncomming HGV in certain areas it can cause chaos...Newcastle RD at the lights beside Courtneys Pub is a prime example.

As regards Mill Bank industrial area....the majority of businesses down there would have no use for HGVs...so thats no argument.Id say theres 1 company whod have use for artics.

So you want to ban trucks because cars are breaking the rules of the road! Why not paint a yellow box on the roundabout, too tell people what they should already know? The reason why they use them stupid paint blob roundabouts is for trucks to drive over them, they know the roads are too small for a proper roundabout. Most of the 3T bans have an "Except for access" clause so the businesses would be OK.

Dublin City Council were guilty of that when they brought in the 5 axel ban,but business still carried on.

Because you can still drive trucks into Dublin, they just charge you to do it. And it gets added to the price we pay.

Trucks stopping and starting again and again will use far more fuel than a truck getting onto the motorway. I was talking to a truckie the other day who told me his 07 tractor unit gives him about 7 MPG whilst driving in Dublin...but that goes up to about 12 on the motorways....and they get extra if they can reach fuel targets.

Do you honestly believe that any vehicle on the M50 is getting motorway fuel usage? He may get 13mpg on a motorway, but only when he can drive at 80km/h. Driving up the N4 to the M50 is city driving. Also if they force all trucks to use the M50 it would get worst. It's in bits as it is and doesn't need 100s more trucks forced onto it.

Wishbone Ash

Victor wrote: »

Bear with me, but why not?

A truck driver on a provisional licence/learner permit would not be legally permitted to use the west-link.

munchkin_utd

A learner HGV driver would have no problem with the M50.
Their accompanying person with a full HGV licence could drive that stretch of road for them.

On the other hand, if they are going to break the law by driving alone, then why not drive on a motorway too for the crack of it.

Clytus

may as well update an old thread....looks like something is happening...not quite as Id like...but compromise is what its all about.

http://www.sdublincoco.ie/index.aspx?pageid=939&pid=14392

icdg

munchkin_utd wrote: »

A learner HGV driver would have no problem with the M50.
Their accompanying person with a full HGV licence could drive that stretch of road for them.

Oddly enough, in the UK the ban on provisional licence holders on motorway specifically excludes (or used to) HGVs. Their (now mostly gone) NO signs started with "NO L-Drivers (except H.G.Vs)".

As for Lucan village, well its the only way to get to the other side of the Liffey and the industrial area there. The Strawberry Beds have now been populated with lots (and I mean lots) of ramps, and aren't exactly a road you want HGVs on in any case.

lord lucan

Clytus wrote: »

may as well update an old thread....looks like something is happening...not quite as Id like...but compromise is what its all about.

http://www.sdublincoco.ie/index.aspx?pageid=939&pid=14392

they want this in by september. a lot of the residents around the newcastle road/adamstown are going mad as they think the newcastle road will be used as a rat run to avoid the village. imo. they should have a few orbital buses circling the village picking up school kids and dropping them to school instead of the SUV-fest that occurs at the primary schools(secondary aren't as bad but half the kids seem to be driving themselves to school these days!!). it's all the parents with often just one kid in the SUV/jeep that are clogging up the village and estates.

Clytus

Since i first posted that thread I dont use that route anymore..I moved to Knocklyon in May...but i thought it was interesting the news from SDCC.

Del2005

Clytus wrote: »

may as well update an old thread....looks like something is happening...not quite as Id like...but compromise is what its all about.

http://www.sdublincoco.ie/index.aspx?pageid=939&pid=14392

I like the way they are blaming HGV's for the chaos caused by people needlessly driving kids to school. If they double yellow lined the place then no cars could stop and there'd be no issue.

murphaph

Del2005 wrote: »

I like the way they are blaming HGV's for the chaos caused by people needlessly driving kids to school. If they double yellow lined the place then no cars could stop and there'd be no issue.

Close. The place is already comprehensively double lined. What you meant to say was "If they clearwayed the place and enforced it rigidly then no cars could stop and there'd be no issue". The schools traffic is ridiculous in Lucan-cars randomly abandoned all over the place while the kids likely live well within walking distance.

Wishbone Ash

munchkin_utd wrote: »

A learner HGV driver would have no problem with the M50.
Their accompanying person with a full HGV licence could drive that stretch of road for them

There is no legal requirement for the accompanied Full Licence holder to be insured to drive the vehicle in question, therefore it cannot always be assumed that they can take over the driving.