Valley of the wolves iraq - wtf !

Morlar

Watched this recently and this has got to be the most politically wacky movie of recent time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_the_Wolves_Iraq

All americans soldiers either

a )shoot unarmed children,
b) shoot unarmed men in the back of the head on their wedding day,
c) rifle butting brides in the face on their wedding day.
d) Facilitate the parts stripping of live iraqi prisoners for organ trades to israel
e) sexually humiliating innocent muslims in prison
f) plotting to murder innocent unarmed muslims
g) murdering unarmed muslim prisoners/destroying muslim mosques and wiping out muslim villages
i) or if they are in command they alternate between humming beethovens 9th or mumbling about being 'jesus christs right hand of vengeance' on this holy crusade against the godless' and other equally realistic dialogue

Jews are :

h) doctors working with the american army in iraq to part strip innocent muslim prisoners for organ transfers back to israel

Muslims are

i) all muslims are sympathetic. Even suicide bombers are just 'migsuided' through their first hand suffering at the hands of the americans who murder their children before their eyes ZOMFG !

j) muslims who kill innocent muslim policemen at roadblocks and then plant bombs to kill or blackmail americans are slick armani-suited heroes fighting for muslim 'honour' (seriously these are the 3 main heroes of the movie).

The worrying part is that this is a multi million dollar flick with production values to match and apparently was the most popular turkish movie ever - was also very popular with turks in germany too.

Also that gary busey and (derek zoolanders friend) billy zane are in it playing bloodthirsty infidels.

Enid Coleslaw

Other than the organ trading it's not terribly far fetched, is it?

Morlar

Have you seen it ?

I know there have been isolated instances of misbehaviour from the american side (it would be a wierd world if there was never any misdeeds anywhere) but would you class that movie as an accurate overall representation of the world ?

ie all americans are bloodthirsty child killers and all muslims terrorists even those who kill other muslims are sympathetic noble individuals ?

You think thats accurate ?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

right, because hollywood never demonises arabs as terrorists or murderers.. that **** just doesn't happen.

honest to god...

Morlar

Mordeth wrote: »

right, because hollywood never demonises arabs as terrorists or murderers.. that **** just doesn't happen.

honest to god...

Well if hollywood made a movie where ALL muslims were baby killers and ALL westerners were noble individuals slaying unbelievers then you might have a point there.

I would recommend you check it out too - if you havent already.

When was the last hollywood movie you saw that showed muslims harvesting american soldiers who were prisoners for their organs ? Assuming there would be such a thing as live non-beheaded american prisoners to begin with.

If a non muslim country produced movies that were viewed as mainstream that contained that level of anti semitism there would be sanctions against them.

Creature

Gary Busey AND Billy Zane? I'm sold!

Wacker

That film sounds ludicrous alright. I normally feel bad for formerly big-name actors having to appear in rubbish to pay the bills (look at the casts that Uwe Boll manages to recruit!) but Gary Busey and Billy Zane should surely be more discerning in their choices.

Morlar

Creature wrote: »

Gary Busey AND Billy Zane? I'm sold!

Thats how all suicide bombers get started - first its all gary busey and billy zane then talk moves to virgins in paradise and death to infidels . .. .

Gurgle

Morlar wrote: »

The worrying part is that this is a multi million dollar flick with production values to match and apparently was the most popular turkish movie ever - was also very popular with turks in germany too.

Never would the great white christian west consider making a movie which demonises the enemy.

Unbelievable, these muslims and their propaganda.

We all know the truth from the entirely factual war movies we get here:

Everyone killed in Afghanistan and Iraq were psychopathic freedom-hating muslim fundamentalist terrorists.

Likewise, everyone killed in Vietnam was a fully signed-up card carrying member of the Viet Cong.

Look up the phrase 'double veteran'

Morlar

Gurgle wrote: »

Never would the great white christian west consider .......

Look up the phrase

um no thanks.

And again for the backrows I never said americans/westerners are perfect celestial beings incapable of wrongdoing you leftie hippies need to get your head around that.

These 2 things are not the same.

To find this movie 'wacky' in a noteworthy way does not mean that you think all americans/westerners are 'beings of light' incapable of bad things.

There is a bit of a gap between step A (what I said) and step Z (what you think) there.

To put this back on course I was thinking of examples of this kind of movie from equivalent countries and couldnt think of any - the closest I would imagine is something from north korea but I am not familiar with that kind of cinema.

Mainstream western cinema has not had such cardboard cutout caricatures of all bad v all good characters in a while (if ever). I certainly cant think of any movies where suicide bombers and killers are painted as noble and the american army/westerners are painted as all bloodthirsty killers of innocents.

Morlar

Enid Coleslaw wrote: »

Other than the organ trading it's not terribly far fetched, is it?

I saw this and thought of you

http://breakingnews.ie/world/israel-admits-harvesting-organs-without-family-permission-439145.html

Turns out that part of the movie might have been based loosely in reality after all.

indough

Gurgle wrote: »

Never would the great white christian west consider making a movie which demonises the enemy.

im going to hazard a guess and say these type of stock responses havent seen the film, if you did theres no way any reason able mindedperson could really disagree with the op

the movie is sorta funny though

plissken

Gurgle wrote: »

Likewise, everyone killed in Vietnam was a fully signed-up card carrying member of the Viet Cong.

So you've obviously never seen Platoon, Casualties of War, Apocolypse Now, or any other major U.S financed movie based on the Vietnam war. Movies which do indeed show the slaughter of innocent Vietnamese civilians.

Kiith

Gurgle wrote: »

Look up the phrase 'double veteran'

:eek:

Gurgle

plissken wrote: »

So you've obviously never seen Platoon, Casualties of War, Apocolypse Now, or any other major U.S financed movie based on the Vietnam war. Movies which do indeed show the slaughter of innocent Vietnamese civilians.

I never disagreed with the OP :P

Merely pointed out that the mis-representation of everybody in sight by the movie is exactly the same as the vast majority of war movies.

Heroes Vs Villains
'We' are all good guys, 'They' are all bad guys.

The few classics you've listed are the exceptions - these were made to put a real depiction of the war in front of the couch warriors back home. This is what makes them classics.

plissken

Gurgle wrote: »

I never disagreed with the OP :P

Merely pointed out that the mis-representation of everybody in sight by the movie is exactly the same as the vast majority of war movies.
Heroes Vs Villains
'We' are all good guys, 'They' are all bad guys.

The few classics you've listed are the exceptions - these were made to put a real depiction of the war in front of the couch warriors back home. This is what makes them classics.

So why not name a couple? Every major U.S movie based on the Vietnam war I've seen hasn't portrayed the american army as anything other than seriously corrupted

Bluefoam

The American army control Hollywood in a very disturbing manner. They provide most of the vehicles and many locations for war movies, and in return they get access to the scripts and have the power to make changes. That way they are portrayed they way they want. As for the Israelis harvesting people, that has already been documented.

plissken

Bluefoam wrote: »

The American army control Hollywood in a very disturbing manner. They provide most of the vehicles and many locations for war movies, and in return they get access to the scripts and have the power to make changes. That way they are portrayed they way they want. As for the Israelis harvesting people, that has already been documented.

Again, apart from the glorification of the military in thrash like Transformers or Rambo III, the vast majority of U.S backed war movies such as Platoon, Casualties of War, Apocolypse Now and more recently Jarhead all show the army in a negative light.

Please prove your above bolded claim

indough

even rambo and transformers arent nearly on the same level as this movie, thats why i dont get these 'america must have done it worse before' type responses

plissken

indough wrote: »

even rambo and transformers arent nearly on the same level as this movie, thats why i dont get these 'america must have done it worse before' type responses

Thats exactly the point I'm trying to make, but so far all I'm getting in response is the same old platitudes about the U.S army somehow controlling Hollywood :rolleyes:

pablohoney87

Bluefoam wrote: »

The American army control Hollywood in a very disturbing manner. They provide most of the vehicles and many locations for war movies, and in return they get access to the scripts and have the power to make changes. That way they are portrayed they way they want. As for the Israelis harvesting people, that has already been documented.

They dont really care about how they are portrayed in hollywood these days. What they are worried about however is the film having some "expert" on board who might be able to give the makers some information for realism that the army might not want knowing to be general knowledge.

jonny72

Not to get too political but I honestly don't know too many TV shows/Films made by US/UK that portray Russians/Germans/Muslims in a realistic light.

Das Boot and Der Untegang are rare examples of films not shown from a Western point of view.

I haven't seen this film, but I've heard a lot about it, basically its a piece of propaganda, a fairly crude one at that. But to be honest, we in the West have been doing this since TV/movie began, we're just a little more subtle around it. I mean, say the word terrorist to yourself, as an Irish person, that image used to be a fella in a balaclava, now most likely its an image of a muslim guy.

Try to imagine an Iranian James Bond, fighting the American evil henchmen of an American evil corporation.. you brain just can't do it can it..

Yet it should be perfectly plausible, as plausible as all our James Bond films....

indough

but the bond villains dont tend to be evil iranians etc, in the last movie the villain was french for example