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worth replacing the wii scart?
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24-01-2008 2:53pm#1
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Answer: Definitely. Those composite cables with the 3 coloured wires are by far the worst connection you can have for a console. Upgrading to a proper wired scart cable will be like going to a new generation of console the difference is that significant. I'd replace those AV cables on all your consoles while your at it. The 6 euro game brand scart is the one to go for since it's just as good as the nintendo one. The nintendo one doesn't have all the pins but those pins aren't needed.
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Make sure you plug the scart cable into a scart socket that is wired for scart otherwise you won't see any difference. I've a tv with 3 scart sockets but only the primary AV1 socket is actually wired for scart.
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corcaigh07 wrote: »didnt know scart sockets could be different! i got a philips crt 28" with 2 sockets, how can i tell if ones wired and one isnt? methinks ill try both.
The best way to tell is that it will look no different in one socket and will look lovely and crisp in another without any of that annoying pixels travelling up edges that you get with crappy composite. It's usually the primary scart socket that's wirted for RGB scart. I have a 32" philips which is only wired for RGB in the primary scart scoket so it's probably the same on yours.
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daedalus2097 wrote: »On my Philips 32" CRT the SCART socket that can accept RGB is marked with a screen symbol with three dots on it and an arrow going in/out of it. The second SCART only has the arrows. The SCART standard carries several different ways of transmitting video signals, and it's not compulsory to use them all when you build a TV. The lowest common denominator is also the poorest (composite, or the yellow RCA jack), but because some TVs only support that signal, that's the one Nintendo give you. If they gave you a nice RGB lead and it turned out your TV didn't support it you'd be mighty peeved I'd imagine!
The Sega Saturn originally launched with a lovely scart cable but there was an outcry because many people didn't have TVs that supported scart. It was one of the many reasons that console failed. Even Sony still ship the PS3 with a crappy composite lead.
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zilog_jones wrote: »Dunno about the Wii SCART cable but Game's own-brand PS2 one is shíte - there's no shielding on the plug and probably none in the cable, so I get pretty nasty diagonal lines on any solid colours (esp. red). At €6 I can't see the Wii one being much better.
Does your TV not have audio outputs? Since it has HDMI, I assume it's pretty modern and most modern TVs (even CRTs) I've seen have some way of outputting audio either by digital or analogue means.
i swear to you this scart improves greatly on the standard scart you get with the console. and if it makes you feel better, it cost 20 euro before xmas
if you want the nintendo official rgb scart, its 15 euro off the shelf in GAME(in cork anyway...) 0 -
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I've a game brand PS2 scart and it's excellent. Those nasty diagonal lines are what you get when you aren't using an socket wired for RGB. It's more than likely not the cable but the socket it's plugged into.
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No it's not. One of the TVs I've tried it on has no SCART socket - I was using a SCART->BNC RGB adaptor I made myself, so there's no way it could have been composite (the comp. input is a completely separate socket, also BNCRetr0gamer wrote: »Those nasty diagonal lines are what you get when you aren't using an socket wired for RGB. It's more than likely not the cable but the socket it's plugged into.
), and it looked just as bad on my new 32" Toshiba LCD TV, which was also definately taking the RGB output. It's not dot crawl or any shimmering - it's diagonal lines across any solid colours, maybe crosstalk or something from the lack of shielding.
The crappy old RGB SCART cable I got for like £10 for my PS1 about 10 years ago is better, though the above issue is still somewhat apparent. Maybe the PS2's outputs are just crap anyway.
I have yet to see a TV that has a SCART socket but doesn't have RGB inputs, including sets from over 15 years ago. I know there was a time when cheap/old crap didn't have any SCART socket (or even no AV inputs at all) though, which would have been more of an issue back in the Saturn days. Hell some of my friends still had B&W TVs when the Saturn came out!The SCART standard carries several different ways of transmitting video signals, and it's not compulsory to use them all when you build a TV. The lowest common denominator is also the poorest (composite, or the yellow RCA jack), but because some TVs only support that signal, that's the one Nintendo give you. If they gave you a nice RGB lead and it turned out your TV didn't support it you'd be mighty peeved I'd imagine!0 -
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Well yeah it's pretty much a given when there's more than one socket that probably (always?) only one is going to have RGB inputs - I guess there's too much wiring involved to have any more, or it'll be harder to maintain a decent signal if it's split between several inputs or whatever.daedalus2097 wrote: »My Philips for example only has RGB on one socket, so if you plug into the other one you just get the poorer composite signal, and it shows nothing for RGB. My brother's TV is only 3 or 4 years old and it doesn't support RGB on the SCART - only composite.
By any chance was your brother's TV bought in Dunnes, or worse? Also, some TVs have a separate AV position for RGB...
Well I guess it's simpler to make it just designed to take one type of input, i.e. composite from AV or demodulated from the tuner. There's still more stuff that needs to be done with the signal, e.g. RGB SCART inputs are 1V, but you're gonna need a lot more than that to make any picture on a CRT.Beats me why that'd be the case too seeing as the composite needs to be processed down into RGB anyway.
If you look at the output of most devices, they are outputting composite and RGB at the same time (try plugging it in badlyIncidentally, what does a TV use if you only have one "AV" channel, but present both composite and RGB signals at the SCART? Will it automatically use the RGB and ignore the composite? ). RGB through SCART needs a separate composite sync signal which is sent over the same pin as composite video. But a TV isn't bothered if the entire composite video signal or just the sync signal is present - it can get the sync from either. There's a separate switching signal on one of the other pins to tell the TV if it's supposed to be receiving an RGB or composite signal, regardless of what signals are being sent elsewhere. 0 -
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Not sure where it was bought, but wouldn't be too surprised if it was a Dunnes special alright - even the stuff from Lidl tends to have huge lists of features. Nope, it's not a manual selection of AV1->RGB1 etc., it just doesn't accept it. Ah yes, I remember about the switching signal now, it's been a while since I worked on video-type-stuff 0
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